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bomberjet
Dec 14, 2015, 10:15 PM
Is that serious about Trouba? That's ridiculous, especially since he's been playing like a bag of pucks for most of the last year. Picked it up as of late.
Those numbers for Ladd and Buff aren't bad on an AAV basis, I guess. But 8 years for Buff, that's wayyyy too long. He'll likely be washed up and fishing in Minnesota by that time. Those guys will be late 30's by then. Ladd will decline starting in the next year or two from his mediocre level.
Pinus
Dec 14, 2015, 11:58 PM
Ladd will decline starting in the next year or two from his mediocre level.
I would say Ladd has been well into his declining stage for the last year or two now.
bomberjet
Dec 15, 2015, 1:06 AM
Yeah, he's been injured for most of the last year. He and Wheeler were looking pretty good earlier when the Jets were hot. Now, not so much.. I wouldn't expect Ladd to be producing anymore than his current levels. He would continue as the veteran, captain, old guy to the team.
blueandgoldguy
Dec 15, 2015, 3:25 AM
Trouba's ask is just a starting point and he will not receive anywhere near that. Expect either a 2-year bridge contract or a long term deal in the range of 5 - 5.5 million per year.
Oilkountry
Dec 15, 2015, 5:00 AM
The one positive is they all want long term contracts in Winnipeg but are the jets gonna spend 25-28M a season between 8,55,33,16? makes hall,eberle,nuge (18M combined) look like a steal. I dunno I doubt buff gets the money nor the term. I see ladd picking up the money but not the term. 55 will be the real winner for the Jets he will get 6.5M per season x7-8. I don't doubt it for a second, Trouba will most likely see 5.5x6. The Jets can easily spend to the cap here with a sub par team
bomberjet
Dec 15, 2015, 2:21 PM
But they can't spend to the cap every year. There's a fine line when signing these guys. Jets only "profit" a few million per season. TNSE has said they will spend money when the time is right. As in when they have a shot at going on a playoff run. This will be the first test on that theory. Cause the Jets aren't going on a run for the next couple years.
rkspec
Dec 15, 2015, 4:26 PM
rumor has it they are writing up Ladds contract rite now.
DowntownBooster
Dec 15, 2015, 5:25 PM
Sign them. They can always be traded at some point in the future.
trueviking
Dec 15, 2015, 5:43 PM
give trouba a bridge at 4.5. until they figure out if he is another bogosian. He has been average or worse since his rookie year....nobody will match that.
or trade him for Hamonock.
trade Ladd if they are out of the playoffs at the deadline...he is easily replaceable for half that value....I would play hardball with him...he's not a captain and first line player anywhere else and wont get the money of that stature anywhere else...offer 6 for 5 years...take it or leave it.
back up the money truck for byfuglien...he colud do what he does when weighed 320 pounds...he will be able to play his pond hockey when he is old....offer him 6 years at 7.
Cyro
Dec 15, 2015, 6:46 PM
But they can't spend to the cap every year. There's a fine line when signing these guys. Jets only "profit" a few million per season. TNSE has said they will spend money when the time is right. As in when they have a shot at going on a playoff run. This will be the first test on that theory. Cause the Jets aren't going on a run for the next couple years.
What is thier profit margin at this point? 2,5 7$M /year? It was always clear they would be a mid-cap team, with the exception you mentioned, "if the time was right for the push",or able to contend..
bomberjet
Dec 15, 2015, 7:34 PM
I'm not sure of the exact numbers. But IIRC, they made ~$2M the year before last. They don't officially announce end of year financials. I'm not sure about how TNSE crunches the numbers either. Do they include costs for MTS Centre in the Jets numbers? Etc Etc. I would assume they do.
blueandgoldguy
Dec 15, 2015, 9:47 PM
I'm not too crazy about a long-term extension of Ladd if it turns out to be for 6 years. His play has noticeably dropped off going back to the final 1/3 or 1/2 of last season. With that said, he was playing injured for much of last season and may still not be fully recovered from his hernia operation this past off-season so it's possible his play may improve.
I do look at recent terrible contracts extensions given to the likes of Dustin Brown (signed to an 8-year, $47 million contract extension in 2013 that just kicked in this last year) and Ryan Kesler (6-year, $41.25 million contract extension that begins next season) and wonder if their declining production will be mirrored by Ladd very soon if it hasn't already begun.
Brown's offensive production took a noticeable drop following the lockout-shortened season in 2012-13. Prior to that, he was a reliable 20+ goal, 50+ point player who played a gritty game. Following the lockout-shortened season, he posted:
15 G 12 A 27 Pts. in 79 Games - 2013-14 (ext. had not even kicked in)
11 G 16 A 27 Pts. in 82 Games - 2014-15
This year doesn't appear any more promising. So far:
2 G 7 A 9 Pts. in 30 Games
His production dropped off noticeably at age 29.
Ryan Kesler was an elite 2-way physical forward - one of the best in the game - and he posted some impressive seasons in his mid-20s:
2008-09 26 G 33 A 59 Pts. in 82 Games
2009-10 25 G 50 A 75 Pts. in 82 Games
2010-11 41 G 32 A 73 Pts. in 82 Games
After this, Kesler's offensive production dipped noticeably at the age of 28. His past 2 seasons and this season:
2013-14 25 G 18 A 43 Pts. in 77 games
2014-15 20 G 27 A 47 Pts. in 47 games
2015-16 3 G 8 A 11 Pts. in 29 games
This could very well be what's in store for Andrew Ladd in the near future as he plays a similar physical style as these two players. Maybe the decline has already started. He is on pace for his worst points per game average since he was a Chicago Blackhawk playing on the third line a Stanley Cup Champion.
It's one thing if the Jets are planning on being a cap team like the Kings. They could afford to carry a substantial cap hit on a underperforming asset like Ladd. However, as we know they won't be. This may very well have repercussions when the time comes to sign upcoming free agents in the future such as Perreault, Wheeler and Little or attempting to sign unrestricted free agents from other teams. There may not be any money to add depth on a team with an internal cap.
The Jets have also displayed a reluctance to buyout underperforming players like Ondrej Pavlec - statistically the worst starting goalie in the league the past 5 years. Thus, if they sign Ladd to a long-term contract and his offensive production becomes unbefitting relative to his annual salary, Chipman will most likely stand pat. A buyout will not be an option regardless of how poorly Ladd performs for the duration of a contract.
At this point I would rather the Jets reward Buff with a long term contract. Not 8 years though. 6 years at 6.5 to 7 million AAV would be fine and is probably the minimum required. If the Jets look to be out of the playoff picture near the deadline - something that looks increasingly likely by the day, then they should trade Ladd for some prospects/picks at the deadline.
Unfortunately, I think they will sign Ladd and let Buff walk at the end of the season...maybe trade him at the deadline if they are out of the playoff picture and get some assets. Only way I see the Jets signing both Ladd and Buff is if they trade Trouba for Hamonic which will bring some cost certainty to the team for the next 4 years.
Pinus
Dec 15, 2015, 9:54 PM
rumor has it they are writing up Ladds contract rite now.
That is a damn shame if true. What a waste of money.
buzzg
Dec 16, 2015, 6:50 AM
I think Buff is a one of a kind player and they should spend whatever it takes to keep him. To me, Ladd is fine, but I don't think he's anywhere near as untouchable as TNSE makes him out to be. I think trading Ladd at the deadline could pay serious dividends for us, as he'd be a good fit for a team looking to make a push for the cup that needs to shore up its 2nd/3rd line.
Cyro
Dec 16, 2015, 5:51 PM
I'm not sure of the exact numbers. But IIRC, they made ~$2M the year before last. They don't officially announce end of year financials. I'm not sure about how TNSE crunches the numbers either. Do they include costs for MTS Centre in the Jets numbers? Etc Etc. I would assume they do.
If that's the case, it's an extremely small profit margin for an NHL team.
CoryB
Dec 16, 2015, 9:29 PM
I think Buff is a one of a kind player and they should spend whatever it takes to keep him. To me, Ladd is fine, but I don't think he's anywhere near as untouchable as TNSE makes him out to be. I think trading Ladd at the deadline could pay serious dividends for us, as he'd be a good fit for a team looking to make a push for the cup that needs to shore up its 2nd/3rd line.
You could likely make a similar argument for Buff. He is 30 and towards the back half of his career. If the Jets moved him near the trade deadline for something younger they might take a hit short term but get a longer term instead of getting nothing in return for Buff when he eventually retires.
The question is, will the Jets turn things around enough this season to be playoff contenders?
The one I wonder is if the Jets try to send Pavs to the Moose if he returns shortly before the trade deadline. With a larger salary and only one more season on contract he might have an easier time clearing waivers and staying within the organization than Hutch or Hellebuyck. It is definitely a gamble but could potentially be spun as a "conditioning stint" for Pavs on return from his injury.
cheswick
Dec 17, 2015, 2:03 AM
You could likely make a similar argument for Buff. He is 30 and towards the back half of his career. If the Jets moved him near the trade deadline for something younger they might take a hit short term but get a longer term instead of getting nothing in return for Buff when he eventually retires.
The question is, will the Jets turn things around enough this season to be playoff contenders?
The one I wonder is if the Jets try to send Pavs to the Moose if he returns shortly before the trade deadline. With a larger salary and only one more season on contract he might have an easier time clearing waivers and staying within the organization than Hutch or Hellebuyck. It is definitely a gamble but could potentially be spun as a "conditioning stint" for Pavs on return from his injury.
Hellebuck is waiver exempt.
Bluenote
Dec 17, 2015, 4:11 AM
You could likely make a similar argument for Buff. He is 30 and towards the back half of his career. If the Jets moved him near the trade deadline for something younger they might take a hit short term but get a longer term instead of getting nothing in return for Buff when he eventually retires.
The question is, will the Jets turn things around enough this season to be playoff contenders?
The one I wonder is if the Jets try to send Pavs to the Moose if he returns shortly before the trade deadline. With a larger salary and only one more season on contract he might have an easier time clearing waivers and staying within the organization than Hutch or Hellebuyck. It is definitely a gamble but could potentially be spun as a "conditioning stint" for Pavs on return from his injury.
I'd rather see him shipped to the KHL where sub par perennial goalies go.
DowntownBooster
Dec 17, 2015, 5:23 PM
I think Buff is a one of a kind player and they should spend whatever it takes to keep him. To me, Ladd is fine, but I don't think he's anywhere near as untouchable as TNSE makes him out to be. I think trading Ladd at the deadline could pay serious dividends for us, as he'd be a good fit for a team looking to make a push for the cup that needs to shore up its 2nd/3rd line.
I agree. Keep Buff for sure since he is such a unique player and losing him would be much more devastating to the other players on the team. It would be good if they could also keep Ladd but his leadership could be replaced easier by someone like Wheeler than another individual trying to replace Buff. However, I am hoping they can keep both players.
rrskylar
Dec 29, 2015, 4:20 AM
Finally about had my fill of HFBoards and the Jets thread and the pussies who monitor the threads there, don't know why it took so long!.....:rolleyes:
esquire
Dec 29, 2015, 5:17 AM
Finally about had my fill of HFBoards and the Jets thread and the pussies who monitor the threads there, don't know why it took so long!.....:rolleyes:
I think I lasted about a month into the first season there... I have never seen a more overmoderated board.
Pinus
Dec 29, 2015, 5:22 AM
Finally about had my fill of HFBoards and the Jets thread and the pussies who monitor the threads there, don't know why it took so long!.....:rolleyes:
Let me guess; you got suspended or banned :D
rrskylar
Dec 29, 2015, 7:44 AM
Let me guess; you got suspended or banned :D
Nope, no suspension or ban just a warning that my post's could be construed as trolling, F that, anything remotely critical of TNSE is taboo there and gets neutered, forget about having any adult dialogue when the mods there tow the company line, just a friggin joke. Too many there wear rose coloured glasses and think that every Jets player is great aside from th fact the Jets are a bottom five team that will be in th draft lottery.
robertocarlos
Dec 30, 2015, 12:12 AM
Come back to HF Sip. I miss your posts.
I have gotten in trouble a few times because I go crazy when my posts are deleted or edited. I wrote a MOD back and told him to "fuck off" and I think I'm gone with 2 more infractions, I have 10 points against me, but the good outweighs the bad.
blueandgoldguy
Dec 30, 2015, 12:27 AM
Finally about had my fill of HFBoards and the Jets thread and the pussies who monitor the threads there, don't know why it took so long!.....:rolleyes:
Really? That's a great board. Some very knowledgeable posters over there. From what i have seen they have let you post your rants about players just about as much as you post your rants about other things here.;)
blueandgoldguy
Dec 30, 2015, 12:33 AM
^^^ Not too long ago I posted there stating that True North might be cheap because their gate revenue has decreased by my estimates by approx. 10 million US since year 1 with the drop in the dollar and that's even factoring in the new loges and the annual price increases of 3 percent. My post wasn't deleted.
I have seen plenty of posts criticizing True North that haven't been deleted. Maybe it depends how it is said? Probably have to be careful too for fear of libel.
Esquire, I can't see you being banned on any board. You are one of the most moderate posters I have ever come across on any board. I recommend the business board to people interested in that side of sports. There are some very thoughtful posters and interesting perspectives - two mods come to mind, Fugu and Killion (if you can get past his pop culture references).
esquire
Dec 30, 2015, 3:12 AM
^ Haha, you are too generous in your assessment. :)
I wasn't the one stirring the pot there but there were some people using indelicate language to make their points... really just spirited debate and discussion. However, the mods act like it's their job to protect TNSE and the Jets players and coaches as if they were some sad little entity in need of shielding from big bad internet bullies. It was a bit much for my liking so I cancelled my account and walked away.
rrskylar
Dec 30, 2015, 3:41 AM
^ Haha, you are too generous in your assessment. :)
I wasn't the one stirring the pot there but there were some people using indelicate language to make their points... really just spirited debate and discussion. However, the mods act like it's their job to protect TNSE and the Jets players and coaches as if they were some sad little entity in need of shielding from big bad internet bullies. It was a bit much for my liking so I cancelled my account and walked away.
Just shows how out to lunch the mindset of the HFBOARDS mods is when a guy like you has a problem there. A lot of guys from here like Viking bailed from HFBoards ages ago due to over the top moderation where the main goal of the mods seems to be to protect TNSE from criticism.
Cyro
Dec 30, 2015, 4:30 PM
When I 1st joined this forum rrskylar, you suggeted I join HF to comment on the Jets, I did. I lasted about 30 posts..lol.. I still have an active account thier.
cheswick
Dec 30, 2015, 4:56 PM
HFboards have stricter site rules than some, but I have never found it difficult to stick to them. I don't agree in the least that any criticism of true north gets infractions. There are threads upon threads criticising some of their decisions. And if you get banned for simple criticism of TNSE without breaking any site rules you should really report moderator abuse.
rrskylar
Dec 31, 2015, 1:40 AM
HFboards have stricter site rules than some, but I have never found it difficult to stick to them. I don't agree in the least that any criticism of true north gets infractions. There are threads upon threads criticising some of their decisions. And if you get banned for simple criticism of TNSE without breaking any site rules you should really report moderator abuse.
Had this post deleted and got a warning for it on HFBoards;
"If Chevy is smart he would sign Armia to 10 year contract for around $7-8 M per, pretty much everyone on the Jets is now expendable with Armia on the big club now, looking forward to see how well Armia does at this year's All Star game! Sound about right!"
my response to the over the top praise of Armia even though he's done squat. They then told me to play nice and that my posts were too negative so I posted this:
"Hope Schief's isn't out against the Pens, he has been just great. And we need Ladd healthy too, he's really rounding into form, great captain and great guy. Jets have really been playing well, just not getting the breaks, should be able to beat th Pens, but if they don't we should get a super effort from the team. Really excited to see the Armia, Burmi, Ehlers line they old turn into one of the better line's in the league. Not sure who is starting in net, doesn't matter both Helly and Hutch have been very good."
Got another warning for that posts because as they put it I was giving the mods a hard time.:koko:
jbird_1
Jan 2, 2016, 3:41 PM
^^^ Not too long ago I posted there stating that True North might be cheap because their gate revenue has decreased by my estimates by approx. 10 million US since year 1 with the drop in the dollar and that's even factoring in the new loges and the annual price increases of 3 percent. My post wasn't deleted.
I have seen plenty of posts criticizing True North that haven't been deleted. Maybe it depends how it is said? Probably have to be careful too for fear of libel.
Esquire, I can't see you being banned on any board. You are one of the most moderate posters I have ever come across on any board. I recommend the business board to people interested in that side of sports. There are some very thoughtful posters and interesting perspectives - two mods come to mind, Fugu and Killion (if you can get past his pop culture references).
Why would TNs Gate revenue be down by 10mil? Everything is the same except the dollar value
blueandgoldguy
Jan 4, 2016, 1:50 AM
Why would TNs Gate revenue be down by 10mil? Everything is the same except the dollar value
Precisely because of the dollar value.
IN 2011, the dollar is at or near par at the beginning of the season
In 2015, the dollar is worth 0.75 US at the beginning of the season and is currently 0.72 US.
Just an estimation on my part of course...
rrskylar
Jan 4, 2016, 4:28 AM
Two totally boring Jets games in a row, San Jose snooze fest and the Jets looking lik an AHL team against the crappy Ducks, game about as exciting the Lawrence Welk Show on PBS.
Unrelated to construction, but my son is playing hockey prior to the Moose game tomorrow. We have to be at the MTS Centre by 3:15. Now that this parking lot has been closed, where is a good spot to carry equipment to and from? Does anyone know what time event parking charges begin?
bomberjet
Jan 7, 2016, 3:17 PM
Park in the lot south of the Met off Donald. It's a long narrow lot. Nice and close to the main entrance. Event parking usually starts around 5:30.
esquire
Jan 7, 2016, 3:21 PM
Unrelated to construction, but my son is playing hockey prior to the Moose game tomorrow. We have to be at the MTS Centre by 3:15. Now that this parking lot has been closed, where is a good spot to carry equipment to and from? Does anyone know what time event parking charges begin?
You can park in the Cityplace parkade (entrance on Hargrave)... it's indoor with skywalk access to MTSC and pretty secure. I'm not sure exactly what parking runs for Moose games but I'd imagine it's about $10-12. Since you're getting there so early finding a spot in there won't be an issue.
You can park in the Cityplace parkade (entrance on Hargrave)... it's indoor with skywalk access to MTSC and pretty secure. I'm not sure exactly what parking runs for Moose games but I'd imagine it's about $10-12. Since you're getting there so early finding a spot in there won't be an issue.
Do you think that the price will $10-$12 since we are staying for the Moose game as well? Thanks.
esquire
Jan 7, 2016, 4:04 PM
Do you think that the price will $10-$12 since we are staying for the Moose game as well? Thanks.
Good question... I go into that building every afternoon to pick up my kid from daycare and by 5:00 there is someone already there by the entrance accepting cash on event nights. However, I'm not sure what time they get there and exactly how it would work if you showed up at 3:00.
Cyro
Jan 13, 2016, 2:36 PM
Something smells off at the MTS Centre and I don't thinks it's the hotdogs. My patience is wearing thin.
In other news the Dashing Dane scored.
cheswick
Jan 13, 2016, 4:09 PM
Good question... I go into that building every afternoon to pick up my kid from daycare and by 5:00 there is someone already there by the entrance accepting cash on event nights. However, I'm not sure what time they get there and exactly how it would work if you showed up at 3:00.
For those curious, parking all day at Portage Place then staying for a Jets game cost $15. The Jets game itself is $12.
esquire
Jan 13, 2016, 4:24 PM
For those curious, parking all day at Portage Place then staying for a Jets game cost $15. The Jets game itself is $12.
Not bad.
I know this is a bit late for BKB's purposes, but I went to the Moose game on Monday night, my first since their return (it was a freebie for me and my fellow Jet ST waitlisters :) ).
I noticed that various surface lots near Portage Place were charging $10-15, but the indoor parkade at Portage Place was only $5! No brainer.
RepomanYWG
Jan 14, 2016, 3:21 AM
Something smells off at the MTS Centre and I don't thinks it's the hotdogs. My patience is wearing thin.
In other news the Dashing Dane scored.
Yeah I think there needs to be a major shift. If we are going young, ship Ladd and Buff off for young talent. At least we will know we are in for a few lean years.
bomberjet
Jan 14, 2016, 2:31 PM
Wheeler's interview from yesterday speaks volumes. Basically said the team is not on the same page with each other. They're not giving it there all. Almost seems like some sort of rift in the locker room..
bomberjet
Jan 28, 2016, 9:47 PM
Not Jets related. But what do you guys think of the Wideman/lineman fiasco?
IMO it's bullshit, suspended definitely. I seriously doubt anyone would attack a linesman like that. Especially with every player on the ice being on camera.
cheswick
Jan 28, 2016, 9:57 PM
Not Jets related. But what do you guys think of the Wideman/lineman fiasco?
IMO it's bullshit, suspended definitely. I seriously doubt anyone would attack a linesman like that. Especially with every player on the ice being on camera.
To me it was accidental. He was gonna go between the linesman and the boards and then at the last second tried moving out of the way and braced himself for the collision with his arms. The only questionable part was he kinda followed through with his arms after but that was likely to prevent himself from falling over. People saying he went after an official after a non-call are off their rockers. He clearly didn't go after the official, he tried moving out of the way.
bomberjet
Jan 28, 2016, 9:59 PM
Ya. All of a sudden the ref was in front of him. Natural reaction, as anyone would do, is to raise your arms. Protecting your vital organs from impending damage.
I just dont see how any player would purposely attack an official.
rkspec
Jan 29, 2016, 1:50 PM
maybe you arent seeing the same view/angle i can see but it totally looks intentional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj4PoDrqv-E
start at 32sec, he had more than enough time to see the ref in his way, then he makes a cross checking motion (not defensive) rite at the refs back.
so i guess can dip and dance around kids at my local skate rink better than a professional in the NHL??? C'mon maaaaaaaaaaan
The Unknown Poster
Jan 29, 2016, 2:43 PM
Ya. All of a sudden the ref was in front of him. Natural reaction, as anyone would do, is to raise your arms. Protecting your vital organs from impending damage.
I just dont see how any player would purposely attack an official.
All of a sudden? The linesman was in the same basic spot the entire time.
The only thing I might buy because I cant say with complete certainty what Wideman's intent was, is that he did a little stutter step near the end which he will say shows he didnt see the Linesman and tried to get out of the way.
But that can work against him because his reaction was not to help protect that person. it was to smoke him into the boards.
He was angry and he acted out. It's ten games for no intent and twenty for intent. Split the difference and go with 15.
Biff
Jan 29, 2016, 2:50 PM
Ya. All of a sudden the ref was in front of him. Natural reaction, as anyone would do, is to raise your arms. Protecting your vital organs from impending damage.
I just dont see how any player would purposely attack an official.
If the person in front of him was in a red jersey, no way does he cross check him to the ice.
... Unknown Poster says it perfectly "He was angry and he acted out."
esquire
Feb 5, 2016, 6:26 PM
So the Jets are 2 points above the last place team in the NHL, and the Moose are dead last in the AHL.
Is it fair to call this season a bit of a disappointment?
bomberjet
Feb 5, 2016, 6:38 PM
So on Wideman, I still don't buy the intentional shit. But whatever, that's my opinion. I've never heard an explanation from the NHL on what happened.
Jets should pack it in and plan for next year. Get one of those top 4 picks, be done with it. They need to get figured out on Ladd and Buff. And move on.
esquire
Feb 5, 2016, 7:20 PM
^ At this point what is there to do but tank... Hutchinson can start every game from now on, loads of ice time for the young'ns.
^Are you sure they have to TRY to tank.
CoryB
Feb 5, 2016, 8:23 PM
^^ Staying the course should work pretty well for intentionally tanking. I wouldn't want to suggest changing things up at this point if their plan was to finish near the bottom of the standings.
Bluenote
Feb 8, 2016, 8:41 PM
The Jets signed Buff.
Five years at $38 million. Glad we didn't lose him. Hopefully they do not sign Ladd
Cyro
Feb 9, 2016, 11:38 AM
^ Fine with this as well. 3rd highest paid D-Man in the league next year.
Not really worried about re-upping Ladd..
bomberjet
Feb 11, 2016, 6:40 PM
If you have time to read, this perfectly summarizes my point of view on the Wideman incident. It's from one point of view, sure. But it's the point of view I believe is true.
Watch this end up in court. The bolded statements in the article are transcribed the video released by the NHL. They acknowledge he has a brain injury after the fact and don't consider it in their evaluation. Meanwhile the NHL is getting sued for hundreds of millions.
https://sports.vice.com/ca/article/the-nhl-wants-you-to-believe-dennis-wideman-is-guiltier-than-he-is
The Unknown Poster
Feb 11, 2016, 9:01 PM
A brain injury isnt an excuse to assault someone. NHL has the right to discipline their players.
Follow the Bryan Danielson news for information about new brain testing that could change the face of sports.
esquire
Feb 11, 2016, 9:06 PM
^ The NHL has to protect its officials... harsh suspensions and fines are necessary unless it is abundantly clear that the contact was completely unintentional. They need to make a point to players that you have a duty to actively avoid contact with officials, and that message was sent here.
bomberjet
Feb 11, 2016, 9:39 PM
A brain injury isnt an excuse to assault someone. NHL has the right to discipline their players.
Follow the Bryan Danielson news for information about new brain testing that could change the face of sports.
Of course there's no excuse to assault. IMO, there was no assault.
I'm not going to argue, everyone's got an opinion.
bomberjet
Feb 11, 2016, 9:40 PM
^ The NHL has to protect its officials... harsh suspensions and fines are necessary unless it is abundantly clear that the contact was completely unintentional. They need to make a point to players that you have a duty to actively avoid contact with officials, and that message was sent here.
Message is loud and clear! lol
Cyro
Feb 14, 2016, 4:01 PM
Pavelec's our savior, his extended time on IR did him some good..
Cyro
Feb 14, 2016, 4:13 PM
Oh yeah, speaking of the Oil, Winter Classic 2016-2017 Winnie vs. Edmonton, who would have guessed..
LilZebra
Feb 21, 2016, 8:47 PM
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/mosienko-mural-needs-makeover-369517092.html
A mural celebrating perhaps the most unbreakable NHL record of all may be on the cusp of getting a much-needed makeover.
The mural of Chicago Blackhawks right-winger Billy Mosienko holding up three pucks after scoring the fastest hat trick in NHL history is a peeling shadow of its former self outside the bowling alley the late NHL Hall of Famer used to own.
Tom Ethans, executive director of Take Pride Winnipeg, said he’s in the process of sending out letters to foundations and other potential donors and hopes to use the proceeds to overhaul or repaint Mosienko’s mural. It has adorned the south wall of Billy Mosienko Bowling Lanes near the corner of Main Street and Redwood Avenue since the mid-1990s.
"It’s something that is of great historical value to Winnipeg and Manitoba sports. It’s a National Hockey League record that will never be broken," Ethans said.
The challenge in fixing the existing painting is its canvas is a combination of plywood and brick. The elements are particularly hard on painted bricks, as evidenced by the fact that two of the pucks on Mosienko’s right hand and the crest on his jersey are barely recognizable. The third puck, which is on the plywood, looks brand new.
'It's something that is of great historical value to Winnipeg and Manitoba sports' -- Tom Ethans, executive director of Take Pride Winnipeg
Most of the murals in town are the product of Take Pride Winnipeg. Ethans said it generally costs about $10 per square foot to paint one, meaning a Mosienko replacement will cost several thousand dollars.
Not a hockey fan, but that mural looks like it was drawn by a teenager. It's "high school art".
Something nicer, more "adult" is needed.
Oilkountry
Mar 11, 2016, 10:01 AM
An additional 8 million being sunk into MTS this off season
-Armrests will be raised to match the raised seats in the 300's
-New seamless glass to solve the loge issue
-All Seat cushions will be replaced and seat colours WILL be changed most likely to blue
-All retractable decking will be replaced an upgraded
-Around 350 TV's installed through the building
esquire
Mar 11, 2016, 2:47 PM
^ Glad to hear they're replacing the retractable decking... the current setup feels very flimsy and the seats are probably the least padded and least comfortable in the entire building.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 4:21 PM
That goodness about the arm rests. If they're changing the padding our and possibly switching to blue, that would seem to be an entire seat replacement. Then if they're replacing the decking, seats would come off. So does that mean they're replacing ALL the seats?
Is there an official announcement or render available?
rkspec
Mar 11, 2016, 4:32 PM
They sent letters out to season ticket holders last week.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 6:59 PM
Oh cool. I'll have to give my primary account holder shit for not letting me know.
rkspec
Mar 11, 2016, 7:05 PM
I guess i should mention not all ST holders, we didnt get one, but a friend who was affected by 'glass work' did.
Cyro
Mar 11, 2016, 7:11 PM
An additional 8 million being sunk into MTS this off season
-Armrests will be raised to match the raised seats in the 300's
-New seamless glass to solve the loge issue
-All Seat cushions will be replaced and seat colours WILL be changed most likely to blue
-All retractable decking will be replaced an upgraded
-Around 350 TV's installed through the building
Ticket holders need something to look forward to after this season.
But either way, the changes listed will benifit any one attending MTS for events.
esquire
Mar 11, 2016, 7:15 PM
Ticket holders need something to look forward to after this season.
Is this what it has come to? A massive disappointment of a season is ending, but hey, at least the seats will be reupholstered!
Just depressing.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 7:17 PM
I guess i should mention not all ST holders, we didnt get one, but a friend who was affected by 'glass work' did.
Interesting. We got the email, i just heard. He will now be forwarding all emails to me haha
Our seats are in 324, so we're affected by the seat/arm rest thing. No impact on us in row 10, by the loge seats.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 7:21 PM
Is this what it has come to? A massive disappointment of a season is ending, but hey, at least the seats will be reupholstered!
Just depressing.
Well, I'm actually enjoying the tank mode the Jets are in for draft reasons. It's an odd dynamic. I'm happy/sad when Jets score (take Myers goal last night for example). Then I'm happy/sad again when the other team scores.
Seriously if the Jets were to get Auston Matthews at first overall, he comes in next season as second line centre. Schiefele has to go up to first line centre. Where does that leave Bryan Little?? Winger maybe, or gone.
If Jets get one of the 2-5 picks, they'll get a real solid prospect who is in the AHL next year most likely, then moves up to NHL. The two finns are solid. Tkachuk just eclipsed 100 point this season. Then theres Chychrun who is solid as well. The 6-10 picks are looking decent as well.
Anyhow, :cheers: to Jets tank mode! They're doing it fairly well too. Lots of prospects getting NHL ice time.
esquire
Mar 11, 2016, 7:28 PM
^ Oh yeah, the damage was done by the all-star break... at this point, tanking is the sensible thing to do.
cheswick
Mar 11, 2016, 7:32 PM
Well, I'm actually enjoying the tank mode the Jets are in for draft reasons. It's an odd dynamic. I'm happy/sad when Jets score (take Myers goal last night for example). Then I'm happy/sad again when the other team scores.
Seriously if the Jets were to get Auston Matthews at first overall, he comes in next season as second line centre. Schiefele has to go up to first line centre. Where does that leave Bryan Little?? Winger maybe, or gone.
If Jets get one of the 2-5 picks, they'll get a real solid prospect who is in the AHL next year most likely, then moves up to NHL. The two finns are solid. Tkachuk just eclipsed 100 point this season. Then theres Chychrun who is solid as well. The 6-10 picks are looking decent as well.
Anyhow, :cheers: to Jets tank mode! They're doing it fairly well too. Lots of prospects getting NHL ice time.
I understand your internal struggle. That's why I can't watch the games anymore. I can't bring myself to cheer for them to lose, but that's what's best.
rkspec
Mar 11, 2016, 7:39 PM
Matthews, Tkachuk or one of the Finns.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 8:01 PM
It's tough. I feel for Wheeler the most I think. He's having a career season and the Jets are in the basement.
rkspec
Mar 11, 2016, 8:12 PM
its all water under the bridge once he dons the C next year!
the current jets team has potential for big things to come, i cant wait.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 8:17 PM
Ya same here. That's what's getting me through. Suffer for this year, which I expected they wouldn't make the playoffs again, for the betterment of the team. Lets get a good draft pick and lock up the key free agents. Then move on.
esquire
Mar 11, 2016, 8:20 PM
I remember kind of losing interest in the Jets back in the early 90s because I could see they were locked in a spiral of mediocrity...squeak into the playoffs one season, miss the playoffs the next, rinse, repeat ad nauseam. Always counting on the draft picks and marginal third line FA acquisitions to turn things around, but it never happened.
It looks like the same thing is happening again, except the tickets cost 5x as much now.
drew
Mar 11, 2016, 8:49 PM
^ much more parity in the league now versus then. Salary cap and all that.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 8:56 PM
I think the Jets need to get through this period of contract negotiations. The Ladd and Buff sagas had an impact on the team this year, no matter what they say. Get the contract issues figured out this summer and let's go. Have an other 3 or 4 year run with the current cast and see what happens. Remember the hockey news predicted a Jets Stanley Cup in 2019. Well seems we're on course for that!
Cyro
Mar 11, 2016, 8:58 PM
I remember kind of losing interest in the Jets back in the early 90s because I could see they were locked in a spiral of mediocrity...squeak into the playoffs one season, miss the playoffs the next, rinse, repeat ad nauseam. Always counting on the draft picks and marginal third line FA acquisitions to turn things around, but it never happened.
It looks like the same thing is happening again, except the tickets cost 5x as much now.
I began having this same feeling my self recently, 5 years was to optimistic? We could be looking at many more..I understand fans and posters willingness to draft and develop but I see imo, some pain to follow for some time..
CoryB
Mar 11, 2016, 9:01 PM
-New seamless glass to solve the loge issue
If the people in the loge seats stayed positioned back in their seats and didn't lean onto the ledge and block huge chunks of the view that would solve the issue. Changing out some glass does nothing to fix that part of the issue.
In terms of the on ice team performance I have started to wonder if True North might be following the Leafs model -- it doesn't matter if we ever make the playoffs as the revenue will keep coming in regardless.
cheswick
Mar 11, 2016, 9:08 PM
A bit off topic, but was discussed earlier in the thread.
Suspension was reduced to 10 games by the arbitrator in the Wideman case. (It took so long he already missed 19, but he'll get his salary back).
Basically applied the rule where physical force was exerted on the official without intent to injure.
What it should have been to begin with imo.
esquire
Mar 11, 2016, 9:11 PM
^ much more parity in the league now versus then. Salary cap and all that.
Yet the model remains the same now as it did in the bad old days... decent draft picks combined with marginal FA acquisitions plus the occasional so-so trade. Other than the Jets' draft picks, have there been any notable players brought in via free agency or trades since the franchise moved from Atlanta? The only ones of any significance are guys we got for dumping former Thrashers like Kane and Ladd... Drew Stafford is pretty well the main highlight. Winnipeg is practically toxic for any higher level FAs.
In terms of the on ice team performance I have started to wonder if True North might be following the Leafs model -- it doesn't matter if we ever make the playoffs as the revenue will keep coming in regardless.
I'm not sure that TNSE can take the fanbase for granted as much as they do in Toronto, but there doesn't seem to be a great deal of urgency to improve things.
rkspec
Mar 11, 2016, 9:11 PM
The Ladd and Buff sagas had an impact on the team this year, no matter what they say.
last year was the fuckery with Kane, this year was the Ladd and Buff contracts, sadly the issues affecting this team are portrayed on the ice but stems from the change room.
maybe with wheels as the new face to look up to, moral in the change room might improve and we start getting some well deserved wins. :notacrook:
rkspec
Mar 11, 2016, 9:12 PM
Suspension was reduced to 10 games by the arbitrator in the Wideman case. (It took so long he already missed 19, but he'll get his salary back).
~280K he'll be getting back
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 9:17 PM
I never bought into the theory that Wideman intentionally bulldozed the ref. I can live with the 10 game suspension on the basis that you need to be aware of the officials, I guess.
I can see where the NHL is coming from. They need to protect the officials, of course. So to prevent players from pretending they didn't see the ref's, and subsequently destroying them, 10 games plus fine should be a good deterrent.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 9:19 PM
The problem with Leafs management, is they didn't give two hoots about what happened on the ice. Seems they've corrected that now. The Leafs drafted poorly and traded assets at will.
Jets on the other hand are drafting well, keeping their prospects, and developing a bit of depth at some positions now. Of course they still have a long way to go.
esquire
Mar 11, 2016, 9:27 PM
The problem with Leafs management, is they didn't give two hoots about what happened on the ice. Seems they've corrected that now. The Leafs drafted poorly and traded assets at will.
Jets on the other hand are drafting well, keeping their prospects, and developing a bit of depth at some positions now. Of course they still have a long way to go.
OK, I admit I'm starting to get a little impatient... but look at the Oilers, they've had better picks over the last 10-12 years than the Jets could dream of and where has it gotten them?
Maybe once every decade or two someone bumbles into a guy who turns the franchise around, but that's rare... the Alex Daigles are obviously far more common than the Sidney Crosbys. It takes more than just draft picks.
bomberjet
Mar 11, 2016, 10:06 PM
^Very true Esquire. We'll see how next season goes. Results are now required to keep the fan base happy.
oftheMoon
Mar 11, 2016, 10:41 PM
In regard to the upgrades, I was really hoping the south end lower bowl corridor would get some re-work. Get rid of the jersey pressing station that's just in the way and turn the Tim's into a bar like up in 300 level. They can sell Tim's and donuts at all the other kiosks that sell popcorn and beer.
Bluenote
Mar 12, 2016, 4:46 AM
OK, I admit I'm starting to get a little impatient... but look at the Oilers, they've had better picks over the last 10-12 years than the Jets could dream of and where has it gotten them?
Maybe once every decade or two someone bumbles into a guy who turns the franchise around, but that's rare... the Alex Daigles are obviously far more common than the Sidney Crosbys. It takes more than just draft picks.
You may also want to ask what has Cindy done for the Penguins. Are they rolling in cups? No they are a mid lvl nhl team year after year.
I don't think this jets team is as bad as you like to say. Also that 5 year plan was never said by anyone in the Jets. It was the media. This was brought up a few months ago.
Armia and Meyers and Stafford for two injury prone idiots was the deal of the century imo.
Ladd isn't going to be signed next year with the Hawks. He was a rental. So he just may get signed back with us ( god I hope not ). But it's a possibility.
dennis
Mar 12, 2016, 5:27 AM
OK, I admit I'm starting to get a little impatient... but look at the Oilers, they've had better picks over the last 10-12 years than the Jets could dream of and where has it gotten them?
Maybe once every decade or two someone bumbles into a guy who turns the franchise around, but that's rare... the Alex Daigles are obviously far more common than the Sidney Crosbys. It takes more than just draft picks.
The way I see it is the jets are more of a draft and develop team, whereas the oilers were more of a draft (and throw the kids to the front line) team. The oilers seemed to not let the young prospects develop in their farm system. And also having the first overall pick makes it too tempting to get the best prospect. Even if he is a forward, and you need a defense man.
biguc
Mar 12, 2016, 5:37 AM
You may also want to ask what has Cindy done for the Penguins. Are they rolling in cups? No they are a mid lvl nhl team year after year.
I don't think this jets team is as bad as you like to say. Also that 5 year plan was never said by anyone in the Jets. It was the media. This was brought up a few months ago.
Armia and Meyers and Stafford for two injury prone idiots was the deal of the century imo.
Ladd isn't going to be signed next year with the Hawks. He was a rental. So he just may get signed back with us ( god I hope not ). But it's a possibility.
The Penguins won a cup with Crosby and were a contender for years. Only for the last couple of years have they been "mid level", as in, still making the playoffs.
I blame their recent failures on firing the coach and gm that got them the cup because they freaked out when they weren't walking through every team. Pretty much the opposite of the Jerps' lackadaisical approach to team building. And for what it's worth, I'm sure the Penns are a season or two away from trading away all of their elite talent in order to aggressively rebuild again.
factis
Apr 6, 2016, 3:11 AM
Any new upgrades coming to the MTS centre this summer?
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