SEATTLE Project Discussion

[James Bond Agent 007]

Downtown compilation thread is HERE (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=73539)

Sub-area threads
-- West Seattle (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=135352) --
-- South Lake Union (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=125329) --
-- Belltown (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=120220) --
-- Ballard (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122982) --

Other
-- Seattle Transit Thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=125026) --
-- Trump Seattle news (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=126877) --

Individual Projects - in no particular order
-- 1918 8th (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139134) --
-- 5th and Columbia (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=145861) --
-- 1 Hotel and condos (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=127154) --
-- 505 Madison (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139087) --
-- West 8th (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139131) --
-- 818 Stewart (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139135) --
-- 1521 Second Ave (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139069) --
-- 1200 Stewart (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139085) --
-- 7th and Westlake (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139396) --
-- Four Seasons (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139076) --
-- Smith Tower conversion (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=143361) --
-- Olive 8 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139055) -- photo thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=117907) --
-- AVA (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139082) --
-- 811 Fifth Ave (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=141758) --
-- Skyline at First Hill (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139143) --
-- 5th and Madison (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139074) --
-- Civic Square Project (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=141129) --
-- Icon Tower (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139139) --
-- 1931 Second (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139083) --
-- Escala (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139072) --
-- Olivian (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139071) --
-- 9th and Pine (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139310) --
-- 2015 Second Ave (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139084) --
-- 1915 Second Ave (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139138) --
-- Second and Pike (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139137) --
-- Kinects Tower-1823 Minor Ave (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139136) --
-- 2612 3rd Ave (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139340) --
-- Aspira-1823 Terry (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139089) --
-- Skygarden (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139142) --
-- 2201 Enso at Westlake (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139130) --
-- Gallery Belltown (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139073) --
-- Mosler Lofts (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139081) --
-- 1121 Stewart (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139078) --
-- Mirabella (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=139088) --
-- 8th and Pine (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=127057) --
-- Stewart and Minor (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=133112) --
-- 9th and Pine (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=130865) --
-- 600 Wall Street (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=127517) --
-- 5th and Stewart - Heron Towers (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=125286) --
-- 2105 6th (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=123451) --
-- 1st and Stewart (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=147569) --

[Black Box]

^Your powers are appreciated.

[James Bond Agent 007]

OK I added a whole bunch of links to project threads. I think I got 'em all, but am not sure. They're in no particular order.

If there are any repeats in the list, let me know.

Also, in going through the Seattle section to get these links, I trashed a bunch of duplicate topic threads. So if any of you notice your post count is down by a few, that's why. ;)

[Hoodrat]

Thanks so moch, Bond. All that work is much appreciated.

[seaskyfan]

Thanks Bond!

[Mike K.]

Nice work, Bond!

[NW Mike]

I'm so confused what has been happening here at SSP. I have not been back here in forever. I've been only at SSC. I hope this site gets better.

[Aleks]

1823 Minor Ave is now the Kinects Tower/Building and is 400 feet not 475. I changed the thread name already just letting people know.

[Aleks]

What happened to 2000 Third Ave (AKA Tarragon Apartment Tower & Hotel)?
http://www.tarragon.com/images/properties/body_2000_3rd_ave.jpg
Link (http://www.tarragon.com/properties/2000_3rd_ave.html)

[James Bond Agent 007]

^
I'm beginning to think they're never gonna build that thing.

[Aleks]

I was thinking the same thing too. At least now it has a name.

[seaskyfan]

There's a current application for a short-term parking lot at the site - two year limit I think.

I catch the bus from 3rd and Virginia and am really looking forward to some development there. The block on 3rd between Virginia and Lenora is dominated by human services uses and there are a lot of interesting folks hanging around. After about 8 or so I usually walk south to catch the bus at 3rd and Pine (which has improved a lot with the removal of the shelters and the scaffolding that was up for over a year).

[mSeattle]

^
I'm beginning to think they're never gonna build that thing.

Perfect! Next proposal should have a much more exciting/sexy design.

[James Bond Agent 007]

Perfect! Next proposal should have a much more exciting/sexy design.
Yeah, good point.

[mSeattle]

Supplemental Early Design Review notice for the 36 twins at Denny/Stewart

1200 STEWART ST
http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/luib/Notice.aspx?BID=309&NID=7961

http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/LUIB/MapProject3007548.jpg


And a proposal I don't remember hearing about:

2105 6th Ave
http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/luib/Notice.aspx?BID=309&NID=7961

The proposal is for a 24 story building containing 17,507 sq. ft. of retail with 644 residential units above. Parking for 419 vehicles to be provided in three levels below grade. Project includes 78,000 cu. yds. of grading. Existing structure to be demolished. Addendum to the Downtown Height and Density Changes Environmental Impact Statement (January 2005) will be prepared.

http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/LUIB/MapProject3007569.jpg

[SpongeG]

found this:

Mountaineers' headquarters sold; apartments planned at Lower Queen Anne location

For a quarter century it has been the central gathering place for Seattle's environmental community. In a past life it hosted the king of Norway and countless lutefisk-and-meatball dinners.

Now, The Mountaineers' headquarters building at 300 Third Ave. W., formerly the Norway Center, has an appointment with a demolition crew.

The Mountaineers, a century-old outdoors and conservation group, sold the aging, three-story building last year. The 10,000-member club plans to move out this fall, into new digs at Magnuson Park.

Executive Director Steve Costie says workers could start tearing down the 58-year-old building almost as soon as he walks out the door for the last time. Avalon Bay Communities of Alexandria, Va., has applied to build a six-story apartment building on the site, at Third Avenue West and West Thomas Street.

If anyone is mourning the passing of The Mountaineers' clubhouse, they are doing so quietly. The Seattle Landmarks Preservation Board decided unanimously last December that the L-shaped, Modernist building didn't warrant protection, that there were better examples in Seattle of both the architect's work and the architectural style.

No one in the audience disagreed.

Costie says he won't miss the old building: "I freeze every day. There's dirt on my desk from the old windows that aren't sealed. I fight the Mercer Mess every day."

Nor will Thomas Stang, 73, former honorary Norwegian consul in Seattle, who once served on the Norway Center's board.

"I don't have any feelings for the place," Stang says. "We said our goodbyes years ago, when we couldn't afford to keep it."

Still, tens of thousands of Seattleites have passed through the building's big wooden doors — to dance, get married, practice the Norwegian folk art of rosemaling, learn wilderness-survival skills or mobilize to save the planet.

"If an environmental organization was looking to hold an event of any size and they wanted it to be affordable enough for the grass roots to attend, then The Mountaineers was always the location of choice," says Steve Whitney, former regional director of The Wilderness Society and now a program officer with the Bullitt Foundation. "There's a lot of history there."

The Sons of Norway, Daughters of Norway and several other Norwegian fraternal and cultural organizations banded together in 1950 to build the 39,000-square-foot building. Cost: $225,000

Slate from a Norwegian mountain was imported for the main entry walk. The mayor and governor attended the building's dedication.

The new Norway Center featured a 900-seat auditorium, a banquet hall, rooms for music and meetings, and a seafood restaurant — The Norselander — on the top floor, with a view of Elliott Bay.

By 1960, The Seattle Times reported, it was doing "one of the biggest banquet businesses in Seattle."

The building opened its doors to all. Ballroom dances on Saturday nights drew hundreds for decades. Boxing matches were a staple.

In the 1970s, the building hosted lectures on transcendental meditation, professional table-tennis matches and a Sephardic Jewish congregation's annual bazaar.

But the rental income couldn't pay the bills — or the property taxes. King County had begun foreclosure proceedings when the Norway Center board sold the building to The Mountaineers in 1983.

The Sons of Norway built a new hall in — where else? — Ballard.

The Mountaineers had lost their old Pike Street headquarters to construction of the Washington State Convention & Trade Center. Club leaders figured that renting out space in the bigger building would provide new income.

For years it did. One local publication once rated The Mountaineers clubhouse the best place in Seattle to get married.

The Seattle Repertory Theatre was a longtime tenant. Costie remembers walking into his office one day to find that playwright Neil Simon, taking a break from rehearsals, had expropriated his phone.

But as the building began to show its age, its appeal dimmed. Businesses stopped booking space for seminars after Sept. 11. By 2005, according to a club report, the meeting rooms sat vacant 75 percent of the time.

Instead of the building subsidizing the club, the club was subsidizing the building.

A year later The Mountaineers' board voted to sell and move to Magnuson Park. Costie says there were many reasons.

The property's market value was appreciating rapidly. Needed improvements to the old building would have cost $1 million the club didn't have. Parking on Lower Queen Anne is a chronic problem.

What's more, Costie says, "in terms of outdoor recreation, it really wasn't the best place for us to be."

"Magnuson gives us a chance to do things we haven't done before," Costie says.

One example: Instead of shuttling people who take the club's wilderness navigation and first-aid courses into the mountains to practice those skills, instructors will be able to use the city park at the new clubhouse's doorstep.

The Mountaineers sold the old building 14 months ago for $5.9 million. A representative of Avalon Bay, the developer, did not return calls, but permit applications show the company plans 196 apartments, eight live-work units, about 4,800 square feet of ground-floor retail space and underground parking for 245 cars.

The Mountaineers are spending about $4 million fixing up their new building at Magnuson, a former Navy motor-pool garage. It will include offices and conference rooms, a library, a meeting room that seats 500 and an outdoor-climbing plaza that will be open to the public.

Costie hopes it will become the environmental community's new gathering place.

As for the old headquarters on Lower Queen Anne, Costie says he will miss at least one thing about it: eating lunch on the third-floor deck on sunny summer days, looking out on Elliott Bay.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/05/19/2002263267.jpg
MIKE SIEGEL / THE SEATTLE TIMES

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/05/19/2004425340.gif

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004425732_mountaineers20.html

[alexjon]

Is there a google map that has these on it? Or should we start one? For Seattle and Tacoma?

[mhays]

Hey, we have a direct link now!

[Black Box]

^I thought about you when I noticed just a few minutes ago. This is exciting and I'm a nerd for thinking so.

[mhays]

Nerds are people who like other topics. Our topic is cool. The room always lights up when I start talking about population stats or development patterns.

[Black Box]

^Ditto for me. People are always surprised and charmed to know that someone is keeping tabs. Thanks for the reassurance.

[Black Box]

The website for the Space Needle has been updated. I especially like the old film of the teenage couple out on a date. The way life was depicted back then cracks me up. Hope you enjoy the site.http://spaceneedle.com/index.html

[seaskyfan]

^ Thanks for the link! The films are great - I don't think I've ever heard the "Century 21" song.

[Black Box]

^I've heard it a few times. It's a little eerie. Glad you enjoyed the site.

[bgwah]

SSC has been down a lot.

[NW Mike]

We always have old faithful SSC.

[mSeattle]

Click picture for a larger version

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2740241906_9134e96b3e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27305863@N07/2740241906/)

[mSeattle]

Anybody know if this old gas station/garage downtown will ever be shut down and the site redeveloped?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2748337858_717e0e0317_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27305863@N07/2748337858/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2748337858_717e0e0317_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2748338644_36292dab25_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27305863@N07/2748338644/)

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2748338340_5f56f93abf_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27305863@N07/2748338340/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2748338340_5f56f93abf_o.jpg

[mhays]

Anyone notice that many of the 2008 updates are live on aerolistphoto.com? It's like christmas. Seriously, one of the most anticipated days every year.

[mSeattle]

Nice site. I'll have to favorite it.

[Tempe_Duck]

Hi from Tempe,


I was recently in Seattle and noticed a ton of tower cranes, wish we could get a couple more down here. But I noticed one site that had the core at what must have been 20 floors but there was no building surrounding the core. What is this project, and why it is being build this way. I don't remember the exact location but i believe it was in a northern section of downtown.

[seaskyfan]

If you were here a month to six weeks ago I bet you saw West 8th. They were using steel framing which went up pretty quickly once they finished the core (they're already putting he exterior cladding on).

http://www.west8th.com/

If you were here over the past couple of weeks I bet you saw 1918 8th (8th and Virginia).

http://www.1918eighth.com/

[mhays]

That's a common way to build buildings that have concrete cores and steel frames. That sort of structure has some advantages in an earthquake zone.

[Aleks]

Does that also reduce the amount of materials needed? I've always wondered what took up more materials. If a tower is square with a footprint of 150x150 and a height of 500 feet, would it take more materials if it was concrete or steel framing? Which ones cheaper?

[mhays]

That's very complicated, and way over my head.

The three main options are steel, steel/concrete, and concrete, but within each there are many options. Each has advantages and disadvantages related to cost, procurement lead time, construction duration, floor stiffness, earthquake resistance, ceiling-to-floor height, distance between columns, ability to penetrate floors later, suitability for any sculptural aspect of the building, and so on. A structural choice is based on whichever factors the owner values most, as well as local factors such as height limits (if they're low, that ceiling-to-floor distance is crucial), the specific earthquake zone, etc.

Cost varies. The cheap solution in 2008 might be the expensive solution in 2010. I know even less specifics about this.

The result is that options for structural type are often kept open well into design.

[NW Mike]

No one is talking about the new proposal at 1012 1st ave next door to Hotel 1000. Its a beautful design by Ismael Leyva.http://ilarch.com/

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp96/NWMike1/10121st.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp96/NWMike1/10121stave2.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp96/NWMike1/10121stave.jpg

[Tempe_Duck]

That's a common way to build buildings that have concrete cores and steel frames. That sort of structure has some advantages in an earthquake zone.


I know it is common to build the core higher than the rest of the building, around 4 or 5 floors. I have just never seen one with that much of a difference in height. Is it specific to colder climates, get the core up during the warmer months?

[mhays]

Concrete is weather sensitive, but it's built year-round in Seattle. I don't know much specifically.

[NW Mike]

Just saw a small article in the DJC that said there is talk of raising the height to 400 ft in South Lake Union. I would love to read the entire article. Sounds like good news.
Here is an article in the Times.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008184475_slubuilding17m.html

[mSeattle]

^Thanks for the link to check this out.

[mSeattle]

I think quite a lot can go into SLU without going over 20 floors max for slim residentials and 12-15 for office. I'd much rather see the city help get the Clise(sp?) land, or First Hill developed taller than currently zoned.

Also, the cityscape will be duller between BT/DNY/SLU with 400' towers and 450' QA Hill. No obvious elevation difference that makes Seattle so visually stimulating now.

That being said... I read the article. I'm kind of with the Kevin guy. This is basically a plan for a small city and school(s), library, police and fire have to be in the plan. I don't think the towers should be limited to only one block. I'll have to look at the map closer and the residential hub that's supposed to be north of Denny Park.

[mSeattle]

http://djc.com/news/co/11204903.html

Work bgins on $38 million church

http://djc.com/stories/images/20080923/church_web.jpg

Construction has started on the First United

Methodist Church's new $38 million complex at 168 Denny Ave. The 35,000-square-foot building is set for completion in late 2009, in time for Christmas.

[urbanlife]

so has construction been really slow in the Puget Sound or did all the Seattle posters leave?

[James Bond Agent 007]

^
The action has moved here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=879

[NW Mike]

We all come here to check to see if anything has been posted but Skyscrapercity has a better layout. I just don't like that their server sucks. If the Damn moderators would fix this the way it used to be it could get busy again. I always liked having Portland's Development mixed in with Seattle. It would be great to have Vancouver BC in the mix as well.


By the way.. That church looks like a good design.

[mSeattle]

City committee eyes changes in citywide height bonus plan
http://djc.com/news/ae/11205015.html

By SHAWNA GAMACHE

The Seattle City Council is considering making changes to a citywide incentive zoning plan proposed by Mayor Greg Nickels.

[mSeattle]

Luxury apartments will have views of the sculpture park
http://djc.com/news/re/11205012.html

http://djc.com/stories/images/20080925/3031WesternStudio1_web.jpg

Martin Selig Real Estate is moving forward on design of 3031 Western, a 75-unit luxury apartment building at the north end of the Olympic Sculpture Park.

[NW Mike]

City committee eyes changes in citywide height bonus plan
http://djc.com/news/ae/11205015.html

By SHAWNA GAMACHE

The Seattle City Council is considering making changes to a citywide incentive zoning plan proposed by Mayor Greg Nickels.

What does this mean? Does anyone have the article?

[mSeattle]

Civic Center 3rd Design Review Mtg
http://web1.seattle.gov/dpd/luib/Notice.aspx?BID=362&NID=9033

Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Time: 05:30 p.m.

Location: 600 4th Ave / 601 5th Ave
City Hall Bertha Landes Room (you will need to use the 5th
antrance after 6 p.m) (If 5th Ave doors are locked, to gain access,
press red door button south of doors for the security guard.)

[grayproduct]

From yesterday:
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8506/pano12iw9.th.jpg (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pano12iw9.jpg)

[mSeattle]

That's quite a pano!

[zilfondel]

I have no idea where to post this picture, but I thought you guys might like it. Followed a link from The Slog (http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/26/city_park)...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/490828272_6e87dac8c3_o.jpg
by "veo (http://flickr.com/photos/veo/490828272/in/set-72157600194986340/)"

[Black Box]

^I read about that. It's beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

[Aleks]

Not much, and not very good details. I'm pretty sure all of the usual visitors can pick out the projects U/C right now but I decided to add names just in case someone who doesn't know the locations very well visited this page.

Anyways, here's a shot without labels:
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/Aleks0o04/CSC_0328-1.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/Aleks0o04/BSC_0326.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/Aleks0o04/BSC_0339.jpg

PS: Sorry for the bad pictures, the sun was in the way and I could not get the picture to look right without making the colors really dark.

[mSeattle]

I was near Seattle Center this weekend and saw the Gates Foundation site has excavation equipment in use. They've dug down a bit.

Also I saw what seems to be the base of a crane at the First UMC site on Denny.

I didn't know that more buildings are u/c along Elliott Ave.

[mSeattle]

Eastlake action

What's the name of this building?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3454/3405580397_9bdafa326c_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27305863@N07/3405580397/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3542/3406392332_0e97810d74_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27305863@N07/3406392332/)

[Black Box]

Just checking in to see what's up. Not much around here. I drove by Olive 8 today. I saw tons of people in the restaurant on the street level. That area has changed so much. Hope to see more surface lots gobbled up after the Great Downturn.

[grayproduct]

4-06-09

Ignore the errant rower ;)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7281/40609sm.jpg
Full sized (worth a look): http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/38/40609.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6499/406091sm.jpg

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[Quantum]

Nice shots once again, gp.

Does that also reduce the amount of materials needed? I've always wondered what took up more materials. If a tower is square with a footprint of 150x150 and a height of 500 feet, would it take more materials if it was concrete or steel framing? Which ones cheaper?
It is only practical to build a concrete frame building low- to mid-rise, owing not least to seismic limitations in this area. Higher and it's most often a concrete core steel structure; sturdy and flexible.

Below mid-rise, buildings are designed for the lesser-cost material, which vacillates between steel and concrete. For example the new Shoreline city hall going up would have been steel but for Chinese demand, and so as concrete is cheaper now it is a concrete structure. And the post-tensioned work is a beauty, I might add...

[grayproduct]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8522/21446649.jpg

[mSeattle]

Weber says eco-lab project will need help from the city (http://djc.com/news/en/12008571.html)

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Image courtesy Weber Thompson

Weber Thompson presented its Eco-Laboratory Project to the Seattle City Council this week. A principal of the firm said this is the first step in figuring out what codes or city ordinances would have to be changed to allow such a project to get built.

[Aleks]

Woah! That's a great building! Even thought Seattle has one of the highest number of green buildings in the country, I feel like we can do better. This would be a great way of adding a boost to the green market.

[PacificNW]

In case you guys are interested...here is the proposal from your neighbor to the south (Portland):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/PacificNW/Picture3.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/PacificNW/Picture4.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/PacificNW/Picture6-1.png

I haven't quite figured out if I am a fan of the roof yet. BTW, I like the Seattle proposal....way 2 go..