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Trae
Dec 21, 2007, 4:50 PM
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A RELATIVE BARGAIN: Vincent Ho, 36, bought this house in Houston for $175,000, which is three times larger than the El Monte house he sold for $600,000. He used the rest of the money to expand his Orange County-based business to the Texas city.

Flocking from SoCal to Houston
Vietnamese Americans are lured to the Texas city by cheap real estate, a lower cost of living and a burgeoning cultural enclave.

By My-Thuan Tran
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
December 21, 2007

HOUSTON — Lan Nguyen had dreamed of owning a house since she immigrated to Southern California from Vietnam 11 years ago. But she and her husband could never scrounge up enough money for a down payment, spending most of their paychecks on rent for a cramped Garden Grove apartment.

Now, Nguyen has moved to a suburb of this Gulf Coast city, where the 28-year-old owns a new four-bedroom house with a spacious game room and access to a pool with a water slide -- all for $200,000.

Nguyen is one of many Vietnamese Americans from California who have flocked to Houston, lured by cheap real estate, a lower cost of living, bountiful business opportunities and a thriving, growing Vietnamese community.

Houston offers a slice of the American Dream to Vietnamese Americans who couldn't find it in California.

In San Jose and Orange County, home to the country's largest Vietnamese enclaves, skyrocketing rents and staggering housing prices -- even in a down market -- have become too much for some.

"At first, we thought California is the best," Nguyen said. "It's sad to move from a place we know so well. But here we own a beautiful house and are very comfortable."

Vietnamese business owners from California have followed, expanding or moving their operations to take advantage of the burgeoning community and the lack of heavy competition that defines the teeming streets of Orange County's Little Saigon.

The Vietnamese American migration to Houston is a typical California story, particularly in immigrant communities where residents found their first footing in the Golden State but left for places where the cost of living was lower and the opportunities more abundant.

The exodus of Vietnamese Americans is part of a larger shift in California: As the economy weakens, more people are leaving. An annual study by the state Department of Finance released Wednesday showed that 89,000 more people moved out of California than moved in from elsewhere in the U.S. in fiscal 2007.

Houston's Vietnamese community, now the third largest in the nation, numbered about 85,000 in 2006 -- up a third in just six years, according to U.S. Census figures.

Community leaders and real estate agents in Houston say they started seeing an upswing in Vietnamese Americans from California five years ago, driven mostly by the city's cheaper housing. Although Hurricane Katrina brought in displaced Vietnamese Americans from Louisiana, residents say the California migration is much larger.

As people have flocked in, Houston businesses havecapitalized, reaching out to Vietnamese Americans in California. Real estate agents have advertised houses in California's Vietnamese newspapers. Developers have tried to persuade businesses to expand to Houston. And talk shows on Radio Saigon Houston have spread the word of the booming community in simulcast shows picked up on California stations.

Houston is no longer the Vietnamese community's "best-kept secret," said Thuy Thanh Vu, the radio station's co-owner.

Houston's housing tale is remarkable. Real estate agents boast of clients who sell their California homes, pay for new ones in Houston at a third of the price and have enough left to invest.

Consider Thien Pham of the Vietnamese American Real Estate Assn., who has a client who he said put his million-dollar California house on the market and bought seven houses in Houston, each for $170,000 to $200,000.

Or Vincent Ho, 36, who sold his El Monte house for $600,000 and bought a place three times as large. He paid cash for the $175,000 home and used the rest to expand his Orange County-based business to Houston.

"SAVE $5,000 when you buy a house GUARANTEED," says a quarter-page advertisement in Nguoi Viet, the largest Vietnamese newspaper in Little Saigon. Clients who call meet Julie Vo of Houston Realty Center.

Five years ago, Vo was lucky to get more than a few calls from out-of-state buyers. Now they represent half her company's clients.

Most are second-generation Vietnamese Americans from California, often younger families or empty-nesters looking for affordable retirement. The flight of young families from places such as Orange County is worrisome to some -- underscoring long-running concerns that young families someday will abandon Little Saigon.

The median price for a single-family home in the Houston area is $145,390, according to the Houston Assn. of Realtors. In contrast, Westminster's median housing price is $520,000 and Garden Grove's is $475,000, according to DataQuick Information Services. In San Jose, it's $640,000.

"For what you pay for your mortgage in Houston, you can only afford a rat's hole in California," Vo tells clients.

Vo makes sure to put Houston's best face forward. She picks up prospective California clients from the airport and puts them up in hotels -- free of charge -- for a few nights. She drives clients around the Vietnamese areas, stopping at restaurants she's sure will impress them.

Like thousands of Vietnamese immigrants, Nguyen came to Orange County first, following the refugees who fled Vietnam after the 1975 fall of Saigon, and built a thriving enclave in Westminster, not far from the Camp Pendleton Marine Corps base where many were introduced to the U.S. at the end of the Vietnam War.

In contrast, the first Vietnamese in Texas were fishermen and shrimpers who were able to resume the lives they'd left behind in Vietnam. Settled near the Gulf of Mexico, they found manufacturing and retail jobs and humid weather that reminded them of home.

Since then, Vietnamese businesses have sprouted in pockets throughout Houston, with most concentrated on a four-mile stretch of Bellaire Boulevard in the city's southwest area. The thoroughfare has striking similarities to Bolsa Avenue, Little Saigon's main drag.

There are Vietnamese supermarkets, large Catholic Vietnamese churches, Buddhist temples and restaurants hawking bowls of noodles that to visitors taste as good as those served in Little Saigon's pho houses. There are Vietnamese-speaking doctors, lawyers and real estate agents. Even the hottest Vietnamese pop stars stop in Houston.

Some Vietnamese-owned businesses from California see Houston's thriving enclave as an untapped market and have expanded their businesses.

Lee's Sandwiches, a chain of shops based in California, has opened up two stores in southwest Houston in the last two years.

Vincent Ho's business, which does 3-D renderings of store interiors, was doing well in Little Saigon. But Ho saw many open fields in Houston, which he believes will one day be home to new stores. Plus, the rent for opening a warehouse in Houston is about a third cheaper than in California.

Vietnamese American investors also are pumping millions of dollars into the area, which still has plenty of open space to build shopping complexes and housing subdivisions.

Developer Luu Trankiem is planning to open the New Saigon Shopping Plaza next year, a high-end center on 32 acres near Bellaire Boulevard. The plaza's seven high-rise buildings come at a price of about $300 million.

"You cannot afford to build something like this in California," he said, estimating it would cost three times as much in Southern California.

Trankiem's home development company, GBI Group LLC, expanded from Irvine to Houston two years ago. The company's other Houston projects include hundreds of homes in the area catering to Vietnamese Americans.

The company is building in anticipation of the Vietnamese community's growing -- mostly with people relocating from out of state.

Trankiem said he saw more opportunities for new businesses in Houston than in Little Saigon, which is congested with thousands of nail salons, restaurants and mom-and-pop shops in fierce competition.

"Houston is the last frontier for investment in the Asian community in the United States," Trankiem said.

Beyond Vietnamese-run business, prospective stores for the plaza also include Ann Taylor and Starbucks, mainstream shops that Little Saigon developers would have trouble luring to its worn-out strip malls.

Houston's Vietnamese enclave also benefits from its diversity. It's next to a long strip of Chinese businesses. Korean, Latino and Pakistani stores also pepper the area. In contrast, Little Saigon caters mostly to Vietnamese Americans.

Trankiem believes Houston's Vietnamese enclave could one day be the bigger, better, higher-end sister to Little Saigon.

Even so, Houston has its challenges. The oppressive humidity forces many to stay indoors during the summer, and some people who have bought homes for investment purposes have had trouble finding renters.

But those who have made the move have found the American Dream at near-bargain rates.

Nguyen's parents, who still rent in California, plan to move to Houston when they retire.

And she's thinking about opening an insurance business. She never thought that was a possibility in Little Saigon, where renting office space is expensive and there are too many competitors.

"Over in California, you're just average people," Nguyen said. "But here, you become upper middle class. You have more money than people over here. You can buy houses and do business."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-houston21dec21,1,2088008.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Complex01
Dec 21, 2007, 5:16 PM
I love Vietnamese food, its so good...

:yes:

alon504
Dec 21, 2007, 5:17 PM
He's right. The cost of living is much lower in Houston. It's cheaper to live in Houston than New Orleans. I'd certainly have plenty more left over with my reserves if I lived in Houston...it's just expensive here in New Orleans. But, it is home. It is amazing what type of house you can get in Houston for such cheap prices. We have alot of Vietnamese in New Orleans East and they have their own entire community. On Saturday mornings, real early just as the sun rises they have the most awesome market with all of these authentic Vietnamese spices, fruits, seafood, etc. It really is to die for. If they do this in Houston, I highly recommend it to Houstonians. Also, the Vietnamese make the spiciest crawfish you could imagine. Yum! I enjoyed the read!

Trae
Dec 21, 2007, 5:22 PM
^^They have all that in Houston.

alon504
Dec 21, 2007, 5:51 PM
^^They have all that in Houston.

Do you go to it? Tell me some of the stuff they offer at their farmer's market.....I love that stuff. You can PM me if you want.

Trae
Dec 21, 2007, 6:09 PM
No, I don't go to it, but I do know some people from junior high who's parents would go to them. They use to bring stuff to lunch.

totheskies
Dec 21, 2007, 7:13 PM
Well this is great for Houston and all, but I'm worried about California. Why is it so damn expensive?

TexasBoi
Dec 21, 2007, 10:27 PM
Houston's Vietnamese community, now the third largest in the nation, numbered about 85,000 in 2006 -- up a third in just six years, according to U.S. Census figures.


I'm going to go out on a "limb" and say that that number will be well over 100,000 by 2010. I won't be surprised if Houston isn't the largest Vietnamese community in the nation several years after 2010. Houston also has a fast growing Chinese community as well. Not a surprise that Houston is now getting nonstop Southeast Asia flights.:tup:

BSofA04
Dec 21, 2007, 10:57 PM
I'm telling you guys....it was my idea to get the bumper sticker slogan of...
"Deport CALIFORNIANS from Texas". Traffic is bad enough!!!!!! Damn man. I suppose this was inevitable.

TexasBoi
Dec 22, 2007, 1:59 AM
Texas is to California as Florida is to New York. :D

sirkingwilliam
Dec 22, 2007, 2:31 AM
Texas is to California as Florida is to New York. :D

:haha: That's so true.

KevinFromTexas
Dec 22, 2007, 6:40 AM
^ Except the people moving here aren't old and they vote Democrat. :)

JAM
Dec 22, 2007, 5:09 PM
The article leaves a few questions in my mind and I question the validity of some of its statistics. Houston has had a large Vietnamese community long before this article appeared. I was under the impression it was 2nd largest in U.S. for a long time. Long before "they flocked from CA". And who isn't flocking from CA these days. Vietnamese, White, Black, Mexican, you name it, their flocking. And the 85K population sounds like a census from 1980. Unfortunately, I'm packing up the car and heading to Houston for the holidays this morning, or I'd take the time to research some of these stats.

Of course this link is no more valid than the newspaper article above, but I think the news article snatched a wikipedia and misquoted a quote. I think the news article meant to say that Houston has the 3rd largest ASIAN population?? Because I can't seem to find who has the 2nd largest?

http://www.vabhouston.com/

http://vovnradio.com/

Hot Rod
Dec 23, 2007, 10:49 AM
No, I think it's 3rd largest Vietnamese American pop, Im sure Houston is probably 6th or so for total asian (I can think of LA, SF, NY, Chi, and SD [maybe PHX, Vegas??] who probably have more Asians than Houston).

But yes, I'd agree that Houston was 3 for Vietnamese.

Its also interesting that the original Vietnamese immigrants were fishermen and not refugees. Like Houston, Oklahoma City also has a huge Vietnamese community yet like in California, they are mostly refugees.

TexasBoi
Dec 23, 2007, 5:11 PM
I think you are right that Houston maybe 6th but I think Houston has more than Vegas, Phoenix, and San Diego. But they are behind NY, LA, Chi, SF, and Seattle.

*edit*
Just found the stats. As of 2000, the rankings are in order: New York, Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Honolulu, San Diego, Chicago, Houston, Freemont, and Seattle.

http://www.ameredia.com/resources/demographics/asian_american.html

Interesting. Would have thought Seattle would have more than 73,000. Houston was at 100,000 in 2000. I think it's much higher than that now.

JAM
Dec 23, 2007, 7:40 PM
:previous: check those numbers using metro areas rather than city proper. Most are living outside of BW8. I think that link was talking total Asians. I do know Houston metro has more than 100K Asians.

liat91
Dec 23, 2007, 9:42 PM
Texas is to California as Florida is to New York. :D

New Yorkers go to: Florida, North Carolina and Georgia

Californians go to: Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Texas, Oregon and Washington

TexasBoi
Dec 23, 2007, 10:31 PM
New Yorkers go to: Florida, North Carolina and Georgia

Californians go to: Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Texas, Oregon and Washington

Thanks for the info but I was joking. The smiley face was the little hint.

Hot Rod
Dec 24, 2007, 7:35 AM
I think you are right that Houston maybe 6th but I think Houston has more than Vegas, Phoenix, and San Diego. But they are behind NY, LA, Chi, SF, and Seattle.

*edit*
Just found the stats. As of 2000, the rankings are in order: New York, Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Honolulu, San Diego, Chicago, Houston, Freemont, and Seattle.

http://www.ameredia.com/resources/demographics/asian_american.html

Interesting. Would have thought Seattle would have more than 73,000. Houston was at 100,000 in 2000. I think it's much higher than that now.

Ya, we're small (relatively speaking). Im not sure why Seattle has a rep for being an asian city - we're VERY VERY (and I mean VERY) white. Maybe it is because Asian is our largest minority (not black or hispanic), perhaps??. :shrug:

Vancouver, San Fran, and LA on the other hand - - - those are Asian cities!

JAM
Dec 24, 2007, 9:27 AM
Houston metro Asian/Pacific Islander 1900 population: 126,717
Houston metro Asian/Pacific Islander 2000 population: 244,635

http://diversitydata.sph.harvard.edu/profiles.jsp?ma=3360

Since it is/was growing at 100% each decade, lets estimate 2008 pop is closer to 400K. Viet and Chinese pop makes up about 97%, in an even split. BTW, go check Seattle metro, it is big. I'd venture a guess that a lot of that is Alaskan decent.

edluva
Dec 24, 2007, 9:40 AM
I think you are right that Houston maybe 6th but I think Houston has more than Vegas, Phoenix, and San Diego. But they are behind NY, LA, Chi, SF, and Seattle.

*edit*
Just found the stats. As of 2000, the rankings are in order: New York, Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Honolulu, San Diego, Chicago, Houston, Freemont, and Seattle.

http://www.ameredia.com/resources/demographics/asian_american.html

Interesting. Would have thought Seattle would have more than 73,000. Houston was at 100,000 in 2000. I think it's much higher than that now.

no, Los Angeles has the largest asian population at around 1.7m i think (2m+? including mixed races). NY is second with ~1.4?. Then SF, Chicago, DC, and Houston I believe in that order. Of course this is regarding CMSA's

Onward
Dec 24, 2007, 1:41 PM
^ Except the people moving here aren't old and they vote Democrat. :)

Which isnt good for a die hard Republican like myself:haha:


Im glad they are moving down in large numbers. Only makes our great state that more intresting.:tup:

DruidCity
Dec 24, 2007, 3:31 PM
We have alot of Vietnamese in New Orleans East and they have their own entire community.

Also, by percentage, Biloxi-Gulfport, MS used to have one of the highest percentages of Vietnamese of any metropolitan area in the country. That was pre-Katrina, though. Did many of them stay/return there, or did many of them move on to Houston or elsewhere ?

JAM
Dec 24, 2007, 8:15 PM
From 2000 census: Apparently 2005 data is available if one wants to dig.

http://www.hmongstudies.org/VSPoptop50MetroAreas.html

I guess Houston area is #3. I'm surprised that San Fran Bay area has such a high number of Vietnamese. I knew there was a huge Asian population but I've worked out there and visited the area a fair amount and it seems all of the Asians I've worked with or over heard speaking on a train or while dining were seldom Vietnamese. It was usually some other language that I didn't recognize.

Major AWACS
Dec 24, 2007, 10:27 PM
It's a decent article though it does make it seem as if 85,000 Viet people moved to Houston in the last two years. All city parking meters, nballots, and government documents are in Vietnames also.

Oklahoma City actually has a large Viet population, nearly 25,000 with radio, several Viet cops, the 'Asian' district and market. It is one of OKCs more visable groups.

Houstonàs should top 100,000 easily by 2010

Ciao,
AWACS

sirkingwilliam
Dec 24, 2007, 11:30 PM
Surprising San Antonio has a very similar Korean population with both Dallas and Houston. There's a Korean district in northeast San Antonio.

Trae
Dec 25, 2007, 5:04 AM
Surprising San Antonio has a very similar Korean population with both Dallas and Houston. There's a Korean district in northeast San Antonio.

I've always heard that about SA. There is a Korean district in Houson (Spring Branch area), too. Do you have the numbers?

Metro Matt
Dec 25, 2007, 6:07 AM
Ya, we're small (relatively speaking). Im not sure why Seattle has a rep for being an asian city - we're VERY VERY (and I mean VERY) white. Maybe it is because Asian is our largest minority (not black or hispanic), perhaps??. :shrug:

Vancouver, San Fran, and LA on the other hand - - - those are Asian cities!

Seattle has a lot of Japanese from what I understand. There is also a sizeable Cambodian population.

Metro Matt
Dec 25, 2007, 6:14 AM
Surprising San Antonio has a very similar Korean population with both Dallas and Houston. There's a Korean district in northeast San Antonio.

D/FW has the largest Korean population in Texas, then Houston. Supprising to hear about SA having a Korean district.

Trae
Dec 25, 2007, 7:05 AM
D/FW has the largest Korean population in Texas, then Houston. Supprising to hear about SA having a Korean district.

I have heard that Korean Air may pull out of DFW in favor of IAH. Is Houston's Korean population surpassing DFW's?

TexasBoi
Dec 25, 2007, 4:26 PM
I have heard that Korean Air may pull out of DFW in favor of IAH. Is Houston's Korean population surpassing DFW's?
I would bet money would have alot to do with that.

Metro Matt
Dec 26, 2007, 12:00 AM
Is Houston's Korean population surpassing DFW's?

I doubt it...

Koreans have a strong business presence in Dallas

Most of the Korean businesses are located in Northwest Dallas, Irving, & Garland, but they live in the upper class suburbs like Coppell, Plano, Frisco, & Far North Dallas.

Trae
Dec 26, 2007, 12:51 AM
Why would Korean Air even think about pulling out of DFW in favor of IAH then?

hookem
Dec 26, 2007, 4:55 AM
I think IAH has put a very big focus on their international flight infrastructure, as they are smaller in total traffic to DFW... but Continental has a huge number of international destinations, and IAH has attracted directs to Signapore and Dubai... no doubt they would be trying to lure Korean Air. So it may have more to do with the airport facilities than the local Korean population.

edluva
Dec 26, 2007, 8:28 AM
From 2000 census: Apparently 2005 data is available if one wants to dig.

http://www.hmongstudies.org/VSPoptop50MetroAreas.html

I guess Houston area is #3. I'm surprised that San Fran Bay area has such a high number of Vietnamese. I knew there was a huge Asian population but I've worked out there and visited the area a fair amount and it seems all of the Asians I've worked with or over heard speaking on a train or while dining were seldom Vietnamese. It was usually some other language that I didn't recognize.


you'll find that the majority of the 150,000 vietnamese in the bay area center around either Oakland or around San Jose. The Bay Area is easily the most asian metro in the continental US by presence. They are ubiquitous in the bay area, and they are mainstream the way mexicans are mainstream in much of Texas. In fact, I believe Asians constitute aorund 20 percent of the entire bay area population - equal to Latinos. Impressive even for an angeleno such as myself.

Major AWACS
Dec 27, 2007, 11:56 PM
Korean Air is coming to IAH because of skyTeam, the same reason Qantas wants to go to DFW (oneworld alliance) when they get 787s.

Ciao,
AWACS

blueb73
Dec 28, 2007, 2:54 AM
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ADPGeoSearchByListServlet?ds_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_&_lang=en&_ts=216856415545

a great place for population stats

i prefer urban area myself, but there are a number to choose from...

Mopacs
Dec 28, 2007, 2:21 PM
Austin's primary Asian district is located in North-Central neighborhoods of the city, particularly along and west of Lamar Blvd, and north/east of US183...including a sizeable Vietnamese population. Many Asian-oriented retailers line 183 and Lamar through this area. A a huge "Chinatown" shopping center recently opened at Lamar and Braker Lane.
http://www.chinatownaustin.com/

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=chinatown+center&near=Austin,+TX&fb=1&cid=0,0,7845012352058769813&ll=30.378503,-97.70236&spn=0.097001,0.215607&z=13&om=1

http://www.chinatownaustin.com/photos/KH3.jpg

Similar developments are planned along Parmer Lane, on the northen boundaries of this district.

JAM
Dec 28, 2007, 4:12 PM
Austin's primary Asian district is located in North-Central neighborhoods of the city, particularly along and west of Lamar Blvd, and north/east of US183...including a sizeable Vietnamese population. Many Asian-oriented retailers line 183 and Lamar through this area. A a huge "Chinatown" shopping center recently opened at Lamar and Braker Lane.
http://www.chinatownaustin.com/

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=chinatown+center&near=Austin,+TX&fb=1&cid=0,0,7845012352058769813&ll=30.378503,-97.70236&spn=0.097001,0.215607&z=13&om=1


Similar developments are planned along Parmer Lane, on the northen boundaries of this district.

I got a kick out of this... clicked on the china town link, then clicked on photo gallery, and the 1st thing that popped up is a bunch of white people fumbling with chop stix :haha:

Metro Matt
Jan 2, 2008, 5:05 AM
Austin's primary Asian district is located in North-Central neighborhoods of the city, particularly along and west of Lamar Blvd, and north/east of US183...including a sizeable Vietnamese population. Many Asian-oriented retailers line 183 and Lamar through this area. A a huge "Chinatown" shopping center recently opened at Lamar and Braker Lane.
http://www.chinatownaustin.com/

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=chinatown+center&near=Austin,+TX&fb=1&cid=0,0,7845012352058769813&ll=30.378503,-97.70236&spn=0.097001,0.215607&z=13&om=1

http://www.chinatownaustin.com/photos/KH3.jpg

Similar developments are planned along Parmer Lane, on the northen boundaries of this district.

Its good to see Austin finally got a decent sized Asian shopping center on par with some of the ones found in Houston & D/FW, the super small Hong Kong Market shopping center off 183 they did have, I'm sure made a pitiful impression on the thousands of non Texas Asians going to school at UT whom might consider calling Austin home after graduation.

They shouldn't have marketed this place as a Chinatown though, Austin doesn't have enough of a Chinese population to even think about that. People not in the know will come expecting a true Asian experience & they'll find nothing more than some white people at Kim Son who can't use chop sticks properly, as pictured in the link above, & Asian people out grocery shopping.

I think they should have just called it "Asian Center of Austin" or something...