PDA

View Full Version : Slice of life in North Philly- why parts of the city defy revitalization


LostInTheZone
Sep 25, 2007, 7:04 PM
Sasso linked to this Philadelphia Weekly cover story (http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=15286&highlight=Deeney%20Hurley) on his website (http://phillyskyline.com/). For those of you struggling to understand how this city can have such a high murder rate when there's such vibrant neighborhoods and activity downtown.

Showdown on Hurley Street

Events on what may be the city’s worst block provide a stark glimpse into a Philly many Philadelphians never see. One former resident survived to tell the tale.

by Jeff Deeney
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/images/issues/2007-08-22/large/img_15286_cover.jpg
Photographs by Jeff Fusco

Hurley Street—a tiny West Kensington side street between C and D just north of Allegheny, where residents park their cars halfway on the sidewalk—is so narrow you can stand on one side and spit on to the other.

The margin of error on streets this size is razor thin, and drivers here tend not to take much care. A lot of cars on Hurley get clipped, which is why so many are missing side mirrors. There’s no reason to drive down Hurley unless you’re here to cop a bag of wet, weed or Xanies. But then most of the buyers are locals on foot looking for nickels and dimes.

Hurley Street, say cops who work North Philadelphia, may be the worst block in the city. Most of its 100 or so residents say they’d leave if they could.

Most Hurley Street residents rent the squat two-story brick row homes they live in. The houses are worth about $13,000 each.

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/images/issues/2007-08-22/large/img_15286_coverhurle_1.jpg

You can rent a three-bedroom on Hurley for $500 to $600 a month. Today five properties on the block stand empty with “FOR SALE” signs hanging from their facades. Many have been on the market for months, and some for longer. There are five boarded-up abandoned properties on the block too, one of which is tagged with scrawled black graffiti that reads “SMOKE, SMOKE.”

The racial makeup on the 3200 block of Hurley skews black, but there are Latin and white families too. Because people live on top of each other here, their lives spill onto the sidewalk, particularly in summer, when the treeless block heats up like a brick oven.

Few people on Hurley work. Most live on supplemental security income or welfare, or share in some kind of black-market revenue. People hang out 24/7. On Hurley Street, one family’s drama is every family’s drama. In fact drama may be the only thing on Hurley that’s not in short supply.




The most recent Hurley Street drama begins with the arrival of a new family—a young man from North Philadelphia named Ramon, his proud roughneck girl Shawn, their two daughters ages 2 and 5, and Shawn’s younger brother Hakeem.

They’ve come to Hurley because they want to get out from under Shawn’s mother.She “irks her life,” Shawn says. Ramon doesn’t get along with her either.

They’ve also come to Hurley Street because all they can afford is Hurley Street. The house they’re moving into has been vacant so long the landlord is grateful for any rent. Shawn and Ramon know the block is rough, but rough is all they’ve known. “Ain’t nothing here I ain’t seen,” Shawn says.

Ramon and Shawn are no saints. Ramon has priors for holding weed, having guns without permits, forgery, bad checks and drug dealing. Still, he’s soft spoken and good looking with a big, disarming smile, and you want to like and trust him despite his past. He’s now working construction for a relative.

Shawn struggles with anger that can flare into blind rage. She’s lanky and long-legged, and sucks on the knuckle of her index finger in between blurted hard-to-follow rapid-fire sentences.

Shawn also likes to fight—and she’s good at it. She says her mother used her like a trained attack dog on the streets as a kid, siccing her on troublemaking neighborhood women. When you tell her fighting is bad, she smiles slyly. She got fired from the Checkers at Second and Lehigh for fighting on the job, but hopes to start soon at the McDonald’s next door to it.

Ramon and Shawn’s children are little dollops of smiling sweetness. They like to splash in the kiddie pool Ramon has set up on the small square concrete slab that is their backyard. Shawn has a tattoo of a Hershey’s Kiss on her right forearm—a tribute to her daughter. A banner bearing her oldest daughter’s name waves from the piece of candy. She thinks her daughter is like a little piece of chocolate delight.

The couple’s eldest daughter, all of 5 years old, wears braids that sometimes unravel into a giant Afro that forms a dark halo over her tiny head. She wears tattered tank tops and frayed knee-length skirts that always seem to need washing, and prefers to walk around barefoot, even on the sidewalk, which rarely gets swept. She sucks on Fla-Vor-Ice, drinks Little Hugs and doesn’t have a taste for much of anything other than sugar.

When she stands on the block squinting with the sun in her eyes, she looks like a 1930s photograph of a Dust Bowl prairie child.




The neighbors on Hurley across the street from Ramon and Shawn are the primary source of the block’s insanity. Shawn says there’s drug activity in and around the house, but it’s hard to say exactly what happens behind the closed doors. Sometimes desperate-looking addicts come by to bang on the front window. If someone doesn’t immediately respond, the addict will start to shout, calling up to the second story.

Living in the house are a mother and her two sons. The mother is an obese woman with unkempt hair who wears ill-fitting, filthy clothes. The boys are teenagers—14 and 16, though the 16-year-old looks 26. His name is Lamar.

The boys wear white tank tops that expose snaking tattoos memorializing dead friends. They have wide eyes that stare hard at anyone on the block they don’t know. Shawn says they smoke dust and take Xanies on a daily basis. If you ask their mother why they don’t go to school, she’ll tell you they do whatever the fuck they want. Then she’ll tell you to shut the fuck up and stay out of her business.

Hurley Street has a block captain named Mona. Mona’s a tall, stick-thin woman who’s missing one of her two front teeth. She eats barbecue potato chips from a bag for breakfast, and claims to run a recovery house for women. It’s a doubtful claim, considering how high she looks most days.
Jailbirds: Some recent Hurley Street residents are now behind bars.

If you ask her what she does as block captain, her eyes roll back, revealing a sickly jaundiced yellow, and her knees dip, like the energy necessary to answer the question has sapped her strength. Then she’ll lick salty red dye from her fingertips. “Excuse me,” she’ll say. “I am not right in the mind this morning.”

It seems there’s always a wild, frenetic energy on Hurley Street. Standing in the center of it is like being in the eye of a tornado. The chaos whirls around noisily before disappearing, only to touch down at the other end of the block moments later. Little kids on the block, seemingly oblivious to everything, throw footballs over the dealers, and then run them back past the addicts.

Between 10 and 4 in summer, the block is roped off as part of the city’s Summer Food Service Program that alleges to provide “an average of 50,000 meals per day to recreation centers, playgrounds, playstreets, summer camps, parks, houses of worship, community organizations, schools and daycare centers throughout the city of Philadelphia.”

A lot of narrow side streets in West Kensington get roped off in the summer. This aggravates the cops, who think the neighbors use the ropes to keep patrol cars out.

Mona serves lunches maybe three out of every five days. The lunches come in black plastic containers divided into sections like TV dinners. In each container is a sandwich and what looks like applesauce or vanilla pudding. On some days there are no lunches—only an Igloo cooler with juice boxes on ice. And some days there’s nothing.

The block gets roped off anyway.

When Hurley Street is roped off, the only way to get on the block is to walk.

Walking the worst block in the city from end to end is an intense experience. There are dried piles of feces left by the feral cats and dogs that skulk everywhere. Flies rise up and buzz around your face as you walk past. There’s shattered glass everywhere, long and jagged pieces, from house windows hit by projectiles.

Young Latin mothers blast salsa and reggaeton from living room stereos while their children play on the dirty sidewalk barefoot, wearing only diapers. They don’t speak English and won’t make eye contact. The black families won’t either. They blast rap music from boom boxes in second-story windows.

If you keep walking, you see more children in diapers tiptoeing around the shattered glass and dried cat shit. The only one who regularly says hello is the old head perched on a stoop halfway down the block who drinks malt liquor from a brown bag for breakfast.




The first night Shawn and Ramon spend on the block their front window gets busted. Nobody claims to know who threw what, despite the fact the stoops are mobbed with people night and day. It would appear a case of simple jealousy.

Shawn’s landlord installed a $200 cabinet made of unfinished wood from Lowe’s before they moved in, and those on the block with the same landlord got nothing.

Shawn and Ramon’s landlord is tall and black with a lumbering gait. He works out of an office in Center City, and oversees a number of properties in Kensington, including the house across the street from Shawn and Ramon. He’s not a slumlord, though it’s hard to dodge the accusation with the properties he oversees.

This street wasn’t like this before, the landlord assures you. The changes it’s undergone are far beyond his control.

He installed the cabinets for Shawn and Ramon because he thought they were worth the investment. He won’t make any renovations of the house across the street because its residents are late with the rent and the cops are always at the door. He suspects the tenants of drug dealing and would like to evict but can’t bring himself to put them on the street, no matter how much he dislikes them.

Was the broken window a message intended for the landlord? Or to show Shawn and Ramon how things work on Hurley Street? Hard to say with no witnesses coming forward. But the broken window has set things in motion. The ball is rolling now, and there’s no way to stop it.



On her family’s second day on Hurley Street, according to Shawn, the neighbors start dumping garbage on their front steps. Shawn and Ramon rise up at this display of disrespect, talking loud at the neighbors from their stoop to let them know they aren’t scared. Shawn lets the young girls on the block know she doesn’t play, and would fight anyone at any time.

Shawn’s younger brother Hakeem—or “Young Cannon,” as he calls himself—doesn’t help by talking sweet stuff to the same girls after his sister disappears into the house. The mothers and brothers of the girls watch closely.

Soon a full-blown beef is in the works. Lamar comes from the house across the street to let Shawn and Ramon know the official Hurley Street rules. He tells them he doesn’t like them turning the lights off at night, and demands they keep the shades up 24/7. He suspects Ramon and Shawn are informants, and that when the lights are off they’re watching his house. Shawn and Ramon tell Lamar they’ll have their lights any damn way they want them. They take offense at the implication of snitching.

Shawn and Ramon also think their house was a stash spot before they arrived. The house directly south of theirs—the one that’s sported a “FOR SALE” sign forever—is one of the block’s many unoccupied structures.

The windows are shattered, and there are more long, jagged shards of glass piled up on the sidewalk in front. It’s become the new stash spot. Lamar and some Latin boys on the block have taken over the house, and are using it to sell weed and wet.




It’s now a week into life on Hurley Street, and Shawn and Ramon report things are getting seriously crazy. The boys on the block are throwing quarter sticks of dynamite into the empty houses late at night. The dynamite echoes in the dark like bomb blasts. The children can’t sleep. This seems far-fetched, but a look inside one of the many shattered windows reveals scorch marks on the carpet.

“How can we raise kids here?” Shawn asks. “We can’t even let them sit on the stoop. They have to stay in the kiddie pool in the back by the alley.” Shawn says she looked out her kitchen window one afternoon and saw a couple of little kids pissing in the pool through the fence from the next yard over.

A storm brews, but Mona won’t take sides. But in an attempt to adhere to her duties as block captain, she’s signed up Shawn’s two daughters for free lunches. Shawn is suspicious of the lunches, and won’t let the girls eat them.

Everyone on the block knows something is going down. Details are scarce, and there are different versions of what goes on at night. This just happens to be Shawn’s.

The block seems to be getting sicker, rotting from the inside in the summer heat. And the heat is relentless—humid, murky and oppressive. More windows get broken, and more boards get nailed up over broken windows.

Lamar is now controlling not only the house next to Shawn’s, but the house next to that one as well. He comes and goes between them freely.

He ducks into the house two doors down, and emerges breathless, pacing in circles around parked cars. He’s fixated on something in his mouth, and stares at it in the side mirror of a beat-up SUV.

He pulls his lips back, gets close to the glass and inspects his gums. After he’s finished staring at whatever it is he thinks he sees, he starts to walk away from the mirror.

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/images/issues/2007-08-22/large/img_15286_coverhouse_2.jpg
Now boarding: Neighbors trashed Shawn's house, rendering it uninhabitable.

But he turns back, obsessed, unable to look away, probing with a Q-tip he pulls from his pocket. A daily diet of dust and Xanax will make anyone obsessive. And Shawn says she’s seen 16-year-old Lamar with a gun.




The big Hurley Street blowout starts with a basketball game. Hakeem and Ramon are playing pickup with the other boys on the block at a portable hoop. They usually play at the McVeigh Rec Center at D and Ontario, but tonight they’re convinced to compete at home. The Hurley Street regulars intend to humiliate Ramon and Hakeem in front of the whole block.

But instead Ramon and Hakeem make their opponents look bad in front of their girls and moms. Ramon and Hakeem grab their nuts while celebrating, oblivious to the flaring tempers around them.

Afterward Hakeem is upstairs playing video games with his 12-year-old cousin when there’s banging on the front door. He opens it to find a 10-year-old boy from up the block claiming Hakeem’s cousin hit him in the face. Hakeem tells the boy his cousin has been upstairs all afternoon, and shuts the door. Two minutes later there’s more banging and another accusation of assault levied against the cousin. Again, Hakeem shuts the door.

This happens three more times until Hakeem is out in the street stepping to the little kid and his friends. Hakeem is frustrated. His buttons are getting pushed. He’s sick of his neighbors, and doesn’t give a fuck anymore if escalating the situation isn’t a smart thing to do.

Though he doesn’t know it, Hakeem has become a marked man on the block. After he disappears back into the house the neighbors call for his head in response to his utter lack of respect.

More kids bang on his front door. They throw a basketball against the board that covers the house’s shattered front window. Parents scream from the adjoining stoops, joining in the fracas.

Lamar appears. He has a gun, and he wants to make a statement. He sticks the gun in the ample space between the narrow board covering the front window and its frame. He has his whole hand inside the house, panning the gun across the living room. He wants Shawn to know this isn’t a game.

Shawn hurries the kids into the basement. Ramon pulls out his cell phone.

At this point the details get sketchy.

Ramon calls his boy Spike. Spike carries a gun. Ramon tells Spike what’s going on, and asks Spike to come get his back. Ramon fears for his family. Lamar doesn’t fire the gun, but withdraws it from the window and backs away, satisfied with his taunt.

Shawn calls the cops. Shawn never calls the cops, and does so now only out of fear for the lives of her children. Within minutes there are two cruisers on the block.

For a moment things ebb. Shawn, Ramon, Hakeem and children leave the house.

They’ve decided to go to a relative’s apartmentuntil things die down.

The cops are talking about Golden Girls reruns with the neighbors across the street, whom they know from previous calls.

The family slinks toward Allegheny Avenue, where Spike waits with his gun, offering protection from the mob that has formed behind Lamar.

Lamar tails them, calling for Hakeem’s head.

The cops don’t follow. They assume it’s more of the same old Hurley Street bullshit. They let Shawn know this as she backs away and starts to walk.

A brawl breaks out on the corner of Hurley and Allegheny. Seven guys converge on Hakeem, swinging fists. Hakeem swings back, blindly throwing his arms. And just like that, it happens.

Gunshots.

The crowd peels away. Lamar’s on the ground, shot twice in the back. The cops break away from their idle talk to scoop up Spike and Ramon.

Shawn, Hakeem and the children watch as they’re driven off in the back of police cruisers before hightailing it to a relative’s house.

Up next: retaliation.




With Shawn gone, the angry mob descends on her house. Lamar’s younger brother kicks the back door off its hinges, then unlocks the front. Neighbors stream in. Furniture is upended, cushions torn open. Big holes are punched in the walls, revealing wooden slats behind the plaster. All the windows in the house are shattered, showering more glass on the sidewalk. The refrigerator is bashed in; its shelves dangle at odd angles. The doors to the new kitchen cabinets have been ripped off.

Upstairs, it’s worse. Someone takes a sledgehammer to the toilet. Huge holes are put in the walls. A TV is thrown through a second-story window in the rear of the house, landing in a cascade of glass on top of the kiddie pool. The children’s clothes follow. The computer Hakeem used to obsessively check his MySpace page gets carted out and relocated across the street.

The next morning the shooting is on the news.

No details are given about the buildup to the shooting or the carnage that ensued. Just another teenager shot on Allegheny Avenue. In the morning newspaper the story takes up all of 10 lines.

The following day Hurley Street is triumphant. The neighbors congratulate each other on Ramon’s arrest and the house getting fucked up real proper. They still vow to hunt down Hakeem, who’s hiding.

Shawn’s landlord arrives on the scene to survey the damage, and is brought to tears by what he finds. During the night someone smeared shit over the living room walls.

The landlord can’t process what he sees. His contractors board up every possible entrance to the house before they leave. It doesn’t really matter much. There’s no more window glass to break, and nothing left in the house worth stealing.

Later that afternoon Hakeem and Shawn surreptitiously cruise the neighborhood. They stay off Hurley Street but get close enough. They’ve come to check on their mother’s house, which is nearby. They’re worried the Hurley Street folks know where she lives. Shawn’s mother’s house is untouched. Shawn and Hakeem stay crouched low in their seats, worried they might be spotted.

Soon afterward Shawn’s landlord says he’s suffering from depression. He calls on his faith, asking the Lord why evil people do what they do. He prays that Jesus will help him understand, and restore his hope for humanity.




Two weeks later Shawn wants to go back to Hurley to open the house up and claim what’s left of her meager life.

There are two cruisers parked in front of the house when Shawn and Hakeem arrive. Crowds gather to watch. Mona is sitting two stoops down, having a sober moment. Her eyes are clear, their whites restored.

“I’ll be off this block soon,” she says. “I won’t be around here too much longer.”

She’s not serving lunches today. There isn’t even a cooler with ice and juice boxes.

She looks at the surrounding houses, and shakes her head.

The whole block is now destroyed.

Six more houses had their windows blasted out, their interiors gutted and graffitied. Hurley Street looks like a war zone, now literally. Rough neighborhoods are compared to war zones all the time. You hear them called Beirut.

Usually it’s an overstatement. This time it’s not.

Hurley Street looks like tanks rolled past, firing at random. The destruction is inexplicable, a product of bestial rage. This is madness. This is a place forsaken by society, forsaken by its own people.

The hopelessness of it all is unbearable.

Jeff Deeney is a freelance writer in Philadelphia who covers urban poverty and drug culture. Comments on this story can be sent to letters@philadelphiaweekly.com

Epilogue

It’s a month later, and Shawn says Ramon’s still in jail. He was transferred upstate to Graterford because the county lockup is overcrowded. Turns out Lamar was grazed in the shooting. He bounced back and hit the streets again a couple days later.

Shawn thinks Ramon will be released after the charges are dropped. The likelihood of Lamar going to court and bearing witness against him are diminished now that she says Lamar got out of the hospital and went straight to prison a couple days later for beating up his mother. Lamar already missed a court date, causing Ramon’s case to be continued. Shawn thinks Ramon will be home by December.

The rest of Lamar’s family still lives on Hurley Street despite the fact they were evicted not long after the blowout. It looks like they intend to squat until the sheriff slaps a lock on the front door. Maybe then, once Lamar and his crew have moved on, Hurley Street will see some peace.

NewYorkYankee
Sep 25, 2007, 7:47 PM
Horrifying. Unfortunetly, in about 10 seconds, we'll have 200 well-off white liberals screaming about how we need more welfare:rolleyes:. How about some job applications people?

MayDay
Sep 25, 2007, 8:17 PM
"Unfortunetly, in about 10 seconds, we'll have 200 well-off white liberals screaming about how we need more welfare"

Whatever chief; let me know when we reach 100. This white liberal isn't pre-judging you saying you're a fascist b@stard who could give a sh!t about the less fortunate so stop projecting your horsesh!t on us. :rolleyes:

Obviously jobs are a key component but before you even get to that point, you have to have a change of mentality and culture. At what point do the parents say "my children deserve better" and get involved in their lives (send them to school, keep them on the straight and narrow)? At what point do landlords step in, grow some and evict problem tenants before they bring down an entire block? At what point do people accept some personal responsbility for respecting their neighbors, and keeping the peace?

No amount of welfare will ever cause that to change but that cultural/mentality change is probably the most crucial part to bettering places like the street in the article. For starters, I think all the able-bodied people receiving assistance should spend several hours a day cleaning their neighborhood. There's obviously no sense of ownership and consequently no sense of responsibility, and the results are obvious. I'm guessing it wouldn't hurt to have an increased (or more effective) police presence in the area - it can't be improved if it isn't stabilized.

J. Will
Sep 25, 2007, 8:42 PM
Horrifying. Unfortunetly, in about 10 seconds, we'll have 200 well-off white liberals screaming about how we need more welfare:rolleyes:. How about some job applications people?

It's those very people's taxes who pay for welfare, and you're criticizing them for wanting to help others? How greedy can they be :rolleyes:

NewYorkYankee
Sep 25, 2007, 8:58 PM
"Unfortunetly, in about 10 seconds, we'll have 200 well-off white liberals screaming about how we need more welfare"

Whatever chief; let me know when we reach 100. This white liberal isn't pre-judging you saying you're a fascist b@stard who could give a sh!t about the less fortunate so stop projecting your horsesh!t on us. :rolleyes:

Obviously jobs are a key component but before you even get to that point, you have to have a change of mentality and culture. At what point do the parents say "my children deserve better" and get involved in their lives (send them to school, keep them on the straight and narrow)? At what point do landlords step in, grow some and evict problem tenants before they bring down an entire block? At what point do people accept some personal responsbility for respecting their neighbors, and keeping the peace?

No amount of welfare will ever cause that to change but that cultural/mentality change is probably the most crucial part to bettering places like the street in the article. For starters, I think all the able-bodied people receiving assistance should spend several hours a day cleaning their neighborhood. There's obviously no sense of ownership and consequently no sense of responsibility, and the results are obvious. I'm guessing it wouldn't hurt to have an increased (or more effective) police presence in the area - it can't be improved if it isn't stabilized.

And you do this how?. As the failings of the Republicans show, you cannot legislate morality.

killaviews
Sep 25, 2007, 9:04 PM
That was an amazing article, but I wish someone would close this thread. I cannot stand to read another thread with everyone opining on what poor inner-city citizens really need. It is amazing how many people think a solution would be single prong. The answer is far too complex to be posted on a skyscraper message board.

I grew up in inner-city Philly, poor, black, single parent household, etc. And I don't really want the thread to be closed, but was pisses me off is the lack of sympathy. Children live on Hurley St; innocent people live there. It’s like walking up to a family that just had their home destroyed by an earthquake and saying "You should have built your home with steal" and walking away. Start with sympathy, then ask questions before offering answers. There are a lot of question society needs to ask itself after reading an article like this. But society's mentality is shoot first ask questions last.

I've been asking myself question for years regarding this issue. But a question I truly would like to know the answer to is: Where is the sympathy? For the children born into this? For the kids that go to school everyday? For the parents that work and desperately want a way out but cannot afford it?

NewYorkYankee
Sep 25, 2007, 9:38 PM
That was an amazing article, but I wish someone would close this thread. I cannot stand to read another thread with everyone opining on what poor inner-city citizens really need. It is amazing how many people think a solution would be single prong. The answer is far too complex to be posted on a skyscraper message board.

I grew up in inner-city Philly, poor, black, single parent household, etc. And I don't really want the thread to be closed, but was pisses me off is the lack of sympathy. Children live on Hurley St; innocent people live there. It’s like walking up to a family that just had their home destroyed by an earthquake and saying "You should have built your home with steal" and walking away. Start with sympathy, then ask questions before offering answers. There are a lot of question society needs to ask itself after reading an article like this. But society's mentality is shoot first ask questions last.

I've been asking myself question for years regarding this issue. But a question I truly would like to know the answer to is: Where is the sympathy? For the children born into this? For the kids that go to school everyday? For the parents that work and desperately want a way out but cannot afford it?


I think you misunderstand what I mean:

I do have sympathy for the poor. Absolute sympathy. I do support section8, food stamps, better schools and more police. But when you have people like this, money is not the solution.

Want to know my postions:


-Reinstitute neighborhood schools. send disruptive kids to alternative schools. Have more technical programs. More college scholarships.

-More police. Reinstate street crimes unit.

-New program of rehabbing abandoned homes and giving them to section 8 tenants. Rasie section 8 limit to 40k for single and more for families.

-Cut all buisness taxes within city limits

-Make city residents earning below 30k city wage tax exempt.

-increase food stamp benefits for single mothers and working poor.

-Give people in poverty priority for city jobs.

pj3000
Sep 25, 2007, 10:39 PM
^ NewYorkYankee: Cut all business taxes within city limits, but still pay for all of your wonderful social programs... yeah, that'll work pal. Instead of giving all of your ridiculous positions and statements about this type of situation, maybe try volunteering at a community center, after-school program, etc. and actually get to know some of the "people like this" as you said. You'll learn a lot and may even develop an informed, intelligent viewpoint.

NewYorkYankee
Sep 25, 2007, 10:45 PM
^ NewYorkYankee: Cut all business taxes within city limits, but still pay for all of your wonderful social programs... yeah, that'll work pal. Instead of giving all of your ridiculous positions and statements about this type of situation, maybe try volunteering at a community center, after-school program, etc. and actually get to know some of the "people like this" as you said. You'll learn a lot and may even develop an informed, intelligent viewpoint.


And what do you do for the "disadvantaged" that justifies your self-righteous arrogance? BTW, how's reducing NYC's 20% poverty rate coming?:rolleyes:

nath05
Sep 25, 2007, 11:08 PM
What a gripping, horrifying, article.

One comment that I want to make is this: The beginning of the article states that Ramon and his family moved onto the block because it was all they could afford. But the picture of their home shows a satellite dish, it mentions his kids playing video games, and the mob destroyed Ramon's computer that he apparently had hooked up to the internet to update his Myspace.

That's a sick person that will put his kids in that situation while still having such luxuries.

pj3000
Sep 25, 2007, 11:55 PM
And what do you do for the "disadvantaged" that justifies your self-righteous arrogance? BTW, how's reducing NYC's 20% poverty rate coming?:rolleyes:

I definitely don't have to explain myself to someone who has immature and inexperienced viewpoints such as yours. Instead, I'll just again encourage you to take action in learning about these "disadvantaged" people who you think you have the solutions for. With that, I'm done with you.

passdoubt
Sep 26, 2007, 12:00 AM
The houses are worth about $13,000 each.

I'm just waiting for an Asian investor from Queens to roll in, scoop up the entire block of houses, kick out all the tenants, and re-rent the neighborhood to New Yorkers looking for more affordable rents and willing to take a long Chinatown bus ride every day.

Don B.
Sep 26, 2007, 3:05 AM
Pretty sad. Now you understand why I decided to get out of Kansas City's ghetto (which is not as bad as this). This is an intractable problem with no solution. Throwing more money at the problem will solve nothing.

Actually, this kind of situation reminds me of Somalia on many different levels.

--don

Segun
Sep 26, 2007, 3:53 AM
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/tv/thewire.jpg

Just watch it.

Bernd
Sep 26, 2007, 4:09 AM
What a gripping, horrifying, article.

One comment that I want to make is this: The beginning of the article states that Ramon and his family moved onto the block because it was all they could afford. But the picture of their home shows a satellite dish, it mentions his kids playing video games, and the mob destroyed Ramon's computer that he apparently had hooked up to the internet to update his Myspace.

That's a sick person that will put his kids in that situation while still having such luxuries.

That's what I thought. It simply makes no sense; it's like social order is literally collapsing in neighborhoods like this. And there are no solutions.

PhillyRising
Sep 26, 2007, 4:42 AM
What a gripping, horrifying, article.

One comment that I want to make is this: The beginning of the article states that Ramon and his family moved onto the block because it was all they could afford. But the picture of their home shows a satellite dish, it mentions his kids playing video games, and the mob destroyed Ramon's computer that he apparently had hooked up to the internet to update his Myspace.

That's a sick person that will put his kids in that situation while still having such luxuries.

That's how it goes. I find it incredulous that people complain about not having jobs but they have Direct TV and all this other crap. The social dysfuction in neighborhoods such as this is insane. We have to stop being so politically correct about it and call people out on their behavior. I've been driving through some of the roughest neighborhoods in Norristown on the way to the hospital my mom is in and almost every dumpy looking house has a dish on it.

killaviews
Sep 26, 2007, 6:39 AM
What a gripping, horrifying, article.

One comment that I want to make is this: The beginning of the article states that Ramon and his family moved onto the block because it was all they could afford. But the picture of their home shows a satellite dish, it mentions his kids playing video games, and the mob destroyed Ramon's computer that he apparently had hooked up to the internet to update his Myspace.

That's a sick person that will put his kids in that situation while still having such luxuries.

Good question: how could he say he cannot afford to live in another neighborhood when he has satellite TV and internet? But ask more. All of you that concurred with him ask more question. Maybe it is because his childhood is much like the childhood he is giving his children. You are asking someone that was born in a ditch to not only climb out, but to build something on top of that. How can a parent teach their children better when they went to the same fucked up inner-city public schools their children go to now? It is a vicious cycle and pointing the finger at the parent is not going to solve the problem. Parents are part of the solution, but to withholding sympathetic thoughts and solutions just because parents have failed to take the initiative is cowardly and ignorant.

Just because the parents made a foolish decision the children deserve to suffer? Why did the parents make a foolish decision?

Fuck the libertarian view of telling the poor to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Dig deeper, you're not even scratching the surface.

Ok, so the parents did not make right decisions in rasing their children? Now what? Fuck them and their kids? Let them rot on Hurley because they have a satellite dish? Is that the solution?

Rufus
Sep 26, 2007, 7:20 AM
Just let them be. There's nothing we can do about it. Really. There is nothing we can do about it.

Except lower business taxes.

NewYorkYankee
Sep 26, 2007, 11:47 AM
Good question: how could he say he cannot afford to live in another neighborhood when he has satellite TV and internet? But ask more. All of you that concurred with him ask more question. Maybe it is because his childhood is much like the childhood he is giving his children. You are asking someone that was born in a ditch to not only climb out, but to build something on top of that. How can a parent teach their children better when they went to the same fucked up inner-city public schools their children go to now? It is a vicious cycle and pointing the finger at the parent is not going to solve the problem. Parents are part of the solution, but to withholding sympathetic thoughts and solutions just because parents have failed to take the initiative is cowardly and ignorant.

Just because the parents made a foolish decision the children deserve to suffer? Why did the parents make a foolish decision?

Fuck the libertarian view of telling the poor to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Dig deeper, you're not even scratching the surface.

Ok, so the parents did not make right decisions in rasing their children? Now what? Fuck them and their kids? Let them rot on Hurley because they have a satellite dish? Is that the solution?

You're more than welcome to come up with something better. How do we legislate people's behavior?

Explain to me why someone can come from Ghana/Burma/Mexico with nothing but the cholthes on their back, and build a successful life?

I was poor too. Not ghetto poor, but the income numbers were the same. Yes, it's tough finding something to put food on the table. But is that an excuse to act like this?

donybrx
Sep 26, 2007, 8:55 PM
Compelling to say the least...thanks for bringing it to the forum here, LITZ

arbeiter
Sep 27, 2007, 12:36 AM
God, what a bleak picture the article painted. Thankfully, I know that even in the poverty-stricken bowels of north philly, this is still an exceptional case. The first few times I went to Philadelphia, I did not enjoy it, but the more I went, the more its charms revealed itself. But I'll tell you, I have never seen more of a destroyed landscape than when I took the R7 through north philly to center city. It made south Bogota look like club med...

Joey D
Sep 27, 2007, 2:07 AM
^Heh, that, and the R2. The R2 south through Chester is a testament to urban decay.

mrherodotus
Sep 28, 2007, 2:31 AM
Just goes to show you how just one nasty family can wreck a whole block.

pj3000
Sep 28, 2007, 7:48 PM
^I fully agree. Many people often immediately assume that "bad neighborhoods" are full of nothing but dealers, thieves, and murderers. When in fact, the majority are good people, just poor.

10023
Sep 28, 2007, 7:57 PM
$13,000 houses? Someone with the energy to do so could just buy all of them and turn that place around real quick. Let the people with honest jobs keep renting and just evict the drug dealers, etc.

mrherodotus
Sep 28, 2007, 10:51 PM
$13,000 houses? Someone with the energy to do so could just buy all of them and turn that place around real quick. Let the people with honest jobs keep renting and just evict the drug dealers, etc.

Not quite that simple. Yeah, it would be pretty easy to empty out the trash from that block and rehab the houses, but with similar folks living around the corner, and on many of the other adjacent blocks, how are you going to get enough good folks to move in? You'd need to redo several hundred houses in order to get the critical mass necessary to turn an area around.

10023
Sep 28, 2007, 11:03 PM
Not quite that simple. Yeah, it would be pretty easy to empty out the trash from that block and rehab the houses, but with similar folks living around the corner, and on many of the other adjacent blocks, how are you going to get enough good folks to move in? You'd need to redo several hundred houses in order to get the critical mass necessary to turn an area around.
Well, at $13,000 per house, that could be feasible. Two hundred houses would cost $2.6 million... or the price of a 2 or 3 bedroom condo in some cities. The prices are so low that someone who came in and was able to turn the place around could make a tidy profit. It's a high risk strategy, but something that distressed investments types have done forever in the context of acquiring and turning around companies.

You buy up a crime-ridden slum, kick out the troublemakers, keep the people who are low income but good, responsible citizens (and attract more to replace aforementioned troublemakers), and you might be left with a peaceful, cohesive blue collar neighborhood.

Obviously it's not so simple or somebody would have done it, but it really makes you wonder - what could a REIT of some sort backed by a local philanthropist accomplish? I've always been intrigued by the idea of privatizing public housing, as paradoxical as that may seem, because the private sector is just so much better at just about everything. Not your typical profit-driven corporation, although the potential for significant profits are certainly there, but a foundation of some sort. I'd never realized just how cheap the real estate really is.

Attrill
Sep 29, 2007, 3:02 PM
:previous:

It's a nice idea, but it won't work for a variety of reasons.

One problem with this is that once someone starts buying up a lot of houses the prices won't stay at $13,000 (and they shouldn't). The prospect of the neighborhood turning around will raise the value of all the houses and the owners will begin to ask for more. It's hard for any developer to buy more than a few houses in an area without word getting out - buying 200 would be nearly impossible.

Another reason is that many of the most blighted neighborhoods in the US are blighted not just because of the residents, but also for larger reasons like poor access to transportation, poor infrastructure, lack of retail, proximity to industry, etc.

10023
Sep 29, 2007, 5:58 PM
Understood that it's not practical. Of course, this is sort of what someone tried to do, resulting in that huge lawsuit over the use of eminent domain last year.

passdoubt
Sep 29, 2007, 9:19 PM
A group in Baltimore had a "buy a block" program that is somewhat similar to what you're describing, except it involved vacant houses, not kicking people out:

http://members.aol.com/belmont111/neighbor.html

Reverberation
Sep 29, 2007, 9:50 PM
Also, the "nasty families" could just as easily pull the same stuff. If they were showing guns and calling for murder over a basketball game and "disrespect," imagine the backlash over a neighborhood-wide eviction.

sharkfood
Oct 11, 2007, 8:50 PM
$13,000 houses? Someone with the energy to do so could just buy all of them and turn that place around real quick. Let the people with honest jobs keep renting and just evict the drug dealers, etc.

I own houses in North Philly and West Philly.

$13,000 does not buy a house in rentable condition. It buys a house with outdated wiring, holes in the walls, old windows, decaying roof, non-functioning heater etc. So it takes a much larger investment from the inception.

In this neighborhood (which is actually Kensington not North Philadelphia), you have a very good chance of having the house broken into during renovations. The probability of a vacant house being broken into in any part of Philadelphia is very high. Happened to me several times this year. And you can't buy vacant property insurance that covers theft. So that may be a source of additional expense.

The social dysfunction on this block is not unusual for Philadelphia. There are probably 100 to 300 equally dysfunctional blocks. There are, of course, thousands of better blocks in the poorer parts of the city, that are well organized and dominated by working people, but this is not one of them.

This article is a good illustration for non-Philadelphians of what we are up against in reviving the city. Unquestionably, there has been a lot of progress, some of it quite dramatic - - the city has added probably 10,000 units of housing in the last five years - - but the areas untouched by progress are as bad as ever.

sharkfood
Oct 11, 2007, 8:56 PM
That's how it goes. I find it incredulous that people complain about not having jobs but they have Direct TV and all this other crap. The social dysfuction in neighborhoods such as this is insane. We have to stop being so politically correct about it and call people out on their behavior. I've been driving through some of the roughest neighborhoods in Norristown on the way to the hospital my mom is in and almost every dumpy looking house has a dish on it.

Don't make it to the ghetto often, do you? Every time I go into a property with low income tenants (usually because it's for sale and I'm thinking of buying it), the first thing I notice is the size of the TV's. Huge 48 inch TV's. Not just in one room but several. Old beds, old couches, clothes on the floor and these huge TV's with people gathered around them.

Certain luxuries are important to the ghetto. For instance, a young mom might buy $50 sneakers and a snazzy outfit for her baby and then not have enough money left over for formula. By the same token, these families might splurge on a TV or a video game and neglect all the other necessities of daily life.

Cambridgite
Oct 12, 2007, 4:14 AM
Very interesting article.

I'd just like to add that gentrifying the neighborhood is not the answer to these social problems. At best, the problems will disappear from that street, but will be pushed elsewhere. It's not Philly's solution to crime, poor quality of life, and social disorder.

I don't know what the best option is, and I consider myself lucky to be distant from problems of this magnitude (I don't even think you can find a house in a major Canadian city selling for $13,000). I'm of the belief that the only way to truly improve things is working from the ground-up. There's no easy solutions. Everyone needs to take responsibility for themselves, their families, and their neighbors. Surely, there are lots of good people living in these inner-city war zones. If they're overshadowed by the neighborhood assholes, it stunts any real progress from happening.

I'm going to sound strangely right-wing here, but police need to be more involved in these places and stick up for the people who are trying to get by and keep the peace. I'm not sure what the police force is like in Philly, but they need to be proactive and try and develop positive relationships with people in these ghettos. I realize it's easier said than done.

I don't know. And I think the problem here on SSP is that few of us have any experience with this. I'd be interested to hear what Killaview has to say on this.

wanderer34
Oct 13, 2007, 5:33 PM
...which is actually Kensington not North Philadelphia...


Kensington is actually a part of Phila, believe it or not, just like Overbrook is a part of West Philly!!!

dfane
Oct 15, 2007, 7:37 PM
unfortunately this is the norm in half of the neighborhoods in the city. There is no solution I give up.
The people who do volunteer get mocked, some get robbed or worse (I know not in all cases)
I used to rip tiles and work with rehabbing properties and old beatup asbestos laced schools in Kensington when I was 15-17 and would have to deal with so much shit it wasnt funny.
Once of my teenage co-workers was beaten into a coma just for going to work.
But this is the problem with d-gooder policticians giving out handouts. When people do not own or have stake in their house and community they dont care and shit like this evolves.

Jesus in a Geo
Oct 21, 2007, 2:35 AM
I loved this article. It was very compelling. I found it interesting and a little dubious how they singled out this block as "the worst" in philly. I could see a chunk of blocks, or part of a neighborhood, but a single block? Not really sure how the cops or the writers arrived at that conclusion.

Anyhow, a lot of the social dysfuction talked about in that article applies to Milwaukee as well, not so much in Boston where I am now.

Milwaukee's "worst" blocks would probably be between Center and Burleigh, in the 30th-20th street range. A close runner-up would be the decimated 22nd/Llyod area around Johnson's Park where more than one mob killing---yes, mob killings---have taken place. They're just a nasty, nasty dangerous aresa that really don't vary by block---it's all bad. Aside from that, the northwest, north and parts of south side are sporadically bad, ranging from totally dysfunctional to quite livable. The near northwest side, though, is really a fetid, dangerous area.