BUFFALO | 33 Gates Circle | Height? | 23 FLOORS | PRO

[BUFFALOVE!!]

No wonder everyone overlooks Buffalo; no one posts anything. I'll be that guy.

Condo Tower; 23-Stories, 68 units costing between $400k and $2million. It would be the tallest residential building in Buffalo if not all of upstate NY (I’m not sure if the Seneca Towers in Rochester are taller. Uniland (developer) has yet to release an official height figure.)

8 Months ago a petition was started in opposition of the tower and it now has almost 2000 signatures. 3 Weeks ago a petition was started in support of the tower and it now has 1767 signatures (506pm 7jun07). If you live in the greater Buffalo area please consider signing.

http://www.buffalorising.com/petitions/gatescirclecondos/

http://www.buffalorising.com/img/img_entries/w600/14291.jpg

http://www.buffalorising.com/Gates-Circle-Garden.jpg

http://www.buffalorising.com/Gates-Circle-from-Circle.jpg
Note: It was mentioned by the designers at the planning board meeting that the windows would be clear, not blue.

http://www.buffalorising.com/Gates-Circle-Entry.jpg

Really cool in my opinion, to bad the crotchety old farts who live next door don’t want there view blocked :hell:

Two weeks from now there will be another meeting about this tower. LETS THINK POSITIVE!!!

[BUFFALOVE!!]

Oh and P.S. if anyone knows how to post on the city diagram board could you post this project as proposed. its a 23 story residental; take a guess on the height. and change the federal court tower to construction.
THANKS!

[NYC2ATX]

omg so many new buildings coming to buffalo. i have high hopes for this city.

[BuffaloBill]

omg so many new buildings coming to buffalo. i have high hopes for this city.


well, two high-rises......but that's a lot for us.

:haha:

[BuffaloBill]

Buffalolove, East Brunswick NJ is having a 23-story buidling built, and it will be 257 feet tall.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9100182_ITM

I did a google search for 23-story buildings...:haha:

The range seemed to be 220-280 feet in height.

[LMich]

Wow! A very nice building, too.

[Antares41]

Buffalolove, East Brunswick NJ is having a 23-story buidling built, and it will be 257 feet tall.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9100182_ITM

I did a google search for 23-story buildings...:haha:

The range seemed to be 220-280 feet in height.

Given the height of the lobby ceiling and the fact that it will be a condo, as oppose to an apartment bldg. I would say it at the upper range, +280 ft, may even clear 300ft, but just barely.

[UglymanCometh]

Opposition? *sigh* Damn NIMBYs... I hope you guys get this, you deserve it!

[Evergrey]

Talking Proud!

[BUFFALOVE!!]

omg so many new buildings coming to buffalo. i have high hopes for this city.

I have high hopes too. unfornunately it will take more than high hopes for a few of these to get off the ground because of oposition. The site prep for the court tower is underway, rennovation on the statler is full steam ahead, Mr. Issa just purchased the lot for the Buffalo City Tower and Uniland just released this long over due rennovation.
BEFORE (The taller greyish one in the back. In front is New Era's World HQ and Buffalo Flag ship Store.)
http://www.buffalorising.com/upload/2007/06/DSC_0172.JPG

AFTER
http://www.buffalorising.com/img/img_entries/w600/14435.jpg
Its not the final design but already one million times better.

[BuffaloBill]

The Gates Circle tower is an interesting one, and the more I think about it, it won't look odd at its location. I can say one thing......If I had the money, holy hell will a condo there have one hell of a view....especially one that has a view down Chapin Parkway.

:tup:

[Sgt. Sabre]

279'

per Buffalo News article dated 05/18/07 "Urban Revival Gets Tested".

The planned 23-story Uniland project at 33 Gates Circle has drawn neighborhood protests and about 2,000 signatures on a petition opposing the $55 million project. A major objection is the tower’s 22-story, 279-foot height, reached by designers responding to earlier neighbor complaints by making the tower more slender but taller to minimize shadows and sight-line blocking. But the building now occupies only 24 percent of the site (far less than the existing Park Lane restaurant building), sets back 175 feet from the roadway and incorporates both hidden underground parking and extensive landscaping to echo the Olmsted parkway greenery.
Don't ask me why it says 23 stories in one sentence and then 22 in the next...

[BuffaloBill]

Sounds like a very nice project.

Now the Gates Circle area will be our own "midtown".

:D


Who is complaining......? Let me guess.......those over 70?

:slob:

[James Bond Agent 007]

Not bad!

[Halovet]

Sounds like a very nice project.

Now the Gates Circle area will be our own "midtown".

:D


Who is complaining......? Let me guess.......those over 70?

:slob:Only if Senior housing is planned for outside the city. Then, perhaps in 8-10 years there won't be a large enough opposition to new development. :shrug:

[BUFFALOVE!!]

Sounds like a very nice project.

Now the Gates Circle area will be our own "midtown".

:D


Who is complaining......? Let me guess.......those over 70?

:slob:

I was thinking the same thing about midtown and good call about the age bracket of the complainers

[Halovet]

I was thinking the same thing about midtown and good call about the age bracket of the complainersHey Im right there man. I'm 53, and it seems everyone my age and less wants change. Two of my aunts live in that area. One is 76 the other 96, They are both complaining like hell, and Aunt Phyllis is almost entirely blind. Like she really G.I.S. about the view. It's just insane.:hell: :koko: :ancient: :old:I hope a Judge younger than 70 gets the case.........:gtfo2:

[BUFFALOVE!!]

Does this go before the planning board tomorrow?

[Coldrsx]

great looking project

[NEWARKNJREP]

I Cant Believe People Petition In Opposition Of A Building Being Built???in An Urban City???unheard Of...whats In The Water In Buffalo...ill Remember To Take Poland Spring Next Time I Go To A Bills Game...i Kid Buffalo...i Love The Place!!!

[BUFFALOVE!!]

I Cant Believe People Petition In Opposition Of A Building Being Built???in An Urban City???unheard Of...whats In The Water In Buffalo...ill Remember To Take Poland Spring Next Time I Go To A Bills Game...i Kid Buffalo...i Love The Place!!!

i think 99.9% of us are thinking the same thing

[buffaLOVE]

How are things moving along with this?

[BUFFALOVE!!]

^^good question anyone know if those old farts killed it or is the city still decideing?

[Antares41]

Hey! just sell the land to the Seneca indians. They have this area bulldozed in a week and your skyscraper will be up in 18 months or less. Didn't take them long to get the casino up in running in Buffalo. Seems to be the only entity able to get anything done around here.:koko:

[steel]

I Cant Believe People Petition In Opposition Of A Building Being Built???in An Urban City???unheard Of...whats In The Water In Buffalo...ill Remember To Take Poland Spring Next Time I Go To A Bills Game...i Kid Buffalo...i Love The Place!!!


Actually it happens quite a bit in many many cities

[BUFFALOVE!!]

If you look on the general buffalo projects thread in the city part the last few posts have been about this tower. i dont know how to move them over so go over and take a look

[Scruffy]

the after in the before and after photo is freaking sweet. huge improvement. def. something to be proud of

[Lecom]

Good for Buffalo. It definitely needs many projects like this in order to create a financial and economical as well as a skyline and a prestige backbone for larger projects that would follow. There is future for development of this post-industrial city in America's current service-based economy. The city's location, for instance, is conveniently located between NE America's economic powerhouses such as Toronto, Montreal, New York, New England and the Great Lakes region.

[Halovet]

Actually it happens quite a bit in many many citiesSeems like they are a hell~of~alot more zelous in Buffalo though. Suprisingly, these old geezers are more sucessful in blocking shit there. That one 4 story hotel in Allentown area would have never been blocked in Indy. I think a little more $$mulla$$ needs to change hands down state, so that new laws get passed that over~ride the interest of these old folks. The reason they cause so much trouble, is because they vote in larger numbers that the rest of the population, and these judges get scared into making rediculous rulings.:koko: :hell:

[steel]

Seems like they are a hell~of~alot more zelous in Buffalo though. Suprisingly, these old geezers are more sucessful in blocking shit there. That one 4 story hotel in Allentown area would have never been blocked in Indy. I think a little more $$mulla$$ needs to change hands down state, so that new laws get passed that over~ride the interest of these old folks. The reason they cause so much trouble, is because they vote in larger numbers that the rest of the population, and these judges get scared into making rediculous rulings.:koko: :hell:

What hotel was blocked in Allentown?....You mean the Elmwood hotel? That was blocked by deed restrictions.

As for Indy...well maybe they do need to block a few more projects IMHO

[Halovet]

What hotel was blocked in Allentown?....You mean the Elmwood hotel? That was blocked by deed restrictions.

As for Indy...well maybe they do need to block a few more projects IMHOYeah, I ment Elmwood, but it thought the old folks were bitchin about that one as well.:shrug:

[BUFFALOVE!!]

There was another planning board meeting about this project (this one went better!!!)
http://www.buffalorising.com/story/a_signature_address#sca

And can someone PLEASE put this building on the diagrams page, change the court house to construction (draw them both) and change the statler and dulski to rennovation. please

[Halovet]

There was another planning board meeting about this project (this one went better!!!)
http://www.buffalorising.com/story/a_signature_address#sca

And can someone PLEASE put this building on the diagrams page, change the court house to construction (draw them both) and change the statler and dulski to rennovation. please
Sure, it sounds better, but too many want to lower the Hieght.:yuck: I sure don't want to see that happen.

[gripja]

Nice looking building -- hope its built -- I know Rochester is jealous -- Buffalo looks like its turning the corner while Rochester sputters.

[Downtown Bolivar]

Well Buffalo's big industries went out in the 80's and Rochester's are going out now. They'll both bottom out and head back up as their respective economies retool. I think this building is a sign of better days ahead for Buffalo.

[Halovet]

Nice looking building -- hope its built -- I know Rochester is jealous -- Buffalo looks like its turning the corner while Rochester sputters.Buffalo and Rochester are like two brothers in the same household. That hoousehold being WNY. If good things happen for Buffalo, it's just a matter of time before Rochester begins to pick up too. Buffalo is the largest city in WNY, it only makes sense that if a "natural" economic recovery takes place, it starts in Buffalo. By natural, I mean a recovery not sparked by any infusion, but a rebound after the city has bottomed out. Rochester has not hit bottom IMO, and probably won't sense Buffalo appears to be rebounding. Call me a dreamer, but I expect to see some expantion of Rochester companies in the next few years.:yes:

[Mr. Rochester]

Buffalo and Rochester are like two brothers in the same household. That hoousehold being WNY. If good things happen for Buffalo, it's just a matter of time before Rochester begins to pick up too. Buffalo is the largest city in WNY, it only makes sense that if a "natural" economic recovery takes place, it starts in Buffalo. By natural, I mean a recovery not sparked by any infusion, but a rebound after the city has bottomed out. Rochester has not hit bottom IMO, and probably won't sense Buffalo appears to be rebounding. Call me a dreamer, but I expect to see some expantion of Rochester companies in the next few years.:yes:

You got that right, but Rochester has always been beter off when it came down to financial stability.


WNY OWN STATE!

[Downtown Bolivar]

WNY OWN STATE!

I'm with ya there Mr. Rochester. Looks like Spitzer is another stooge. Although in Rochester you'd never know it with the way the D & C is. How can you stand it?

[Mr. Rochester]

I'm with ya there Mr. Rochester. Looks like Spitzer is another stooge. Although in Rochester you'd never know it with the way the D & C is. How can you stand it?

haha I know... It is pretty bad.

[Halovet]

I'm with ya there Mr. Rochester. Looks like Spitzer is another stooge. Although in Rochester you'd never know it with the way the D & C is. How can you stand it?
Why do you say Spitzer "is another stooge"? Do you think he's been in office long enough to make a clear judgment? I don't know much about him, so fill me in.

What I want to know is when NYS laws will be changed to allow anexation and other "city-saving"
measures.

[dbennion]

Every time I peek in at this thread, that rendering looks familiar; there is a Toronto project that looks similar. Maybe it's just the lighting. Both are good looking structures, I hope it gets built.

http://www.urbantoronto.ca/showthread.php?t=697

[Peanut]

You guys are forgettin about Syracuse, the Cuse actually has projects underway. Believe it or not there are cranes downtown! A couple of projects that look like definite go aheads are the Convention center hotel, The Destiny Hotel (i know i cant believe it either),the Childrens Hostpital ,and Syracuse University has a handful of projects that should change the skyline.

[Halovet]

Every time I peek in at this thread, that rendering looks familiar; there is a Toronto project that looks similar. Maybe it's just the lighting. Both are good looking structures, I hope it gets built.


Perhaps, but if B-Lo had half the potential skyline altering projects that T-O has, half of us on this thread would climax. Toronto dosen't have groups of 70-99 year old ladies using whats left of their lungs to shout out against every new proposal within The Buffalo City Limits ether.:koko:

[BUFFALOVE!!]

33 Gates Circle has been approved by the city!!!!! Talk about avoiding a land mind. I went to the first planning board meeting and i never thought this would get approved. Go Buffalo!!!
http://www.buffalorising.com/story/gates_condo_tower_okd#sca

[BuffaloBill]

Good stuff.

Next plan of action is to get about 100 Greyhound buses, line them up on Lincoln Parkway and give the over 70 crowd a one-way trip to S. Florida.

:tup:

Shuffleboard for everyone. :notacrook:

[Mr. Rochester]

WNY is the place to be in the near future!

[Halovet]

Good stuff.

Next plan of action is to get about 100 Greyhound buses, line them up on Lincoln Parkway and give the over 70 crowd a one-way trip to S. Florida.

:tup:

Shuffleboard for everyone. :notacrook:

I'm with you there BuffaloBill. My aunt finally kicked at 96, and Uncle (75) is headed to the nursing home. Both lived at Parkview. I can't help but think it may have turned the tide. They were outspoken critics of this (AND EVERY) project in Buffalo.:shrug:

[Halovet]

You got that right, but Rochester has always been beter off when it came down to financial stability.


WNY OWN STATE!


Indeed, that's why I say, you will see things happening in Roc~town soon as well. I think Buffalo is slowly getting new quality leadership, starting with Mayor Brown. He himself, is not a new politician, but I think he's in the right position. I really like his enthusiasm with this project, as well as The BCS Tower, which he vows will be built. With an influx of well placed planners (I hear he added a few from Texas) things could pick up. The problems in WNY were not created overnight, and won't be solved overnight. Things are happening. Not as fast as we would like, but for a LONG TIME, there was nothing.

So come on Rochester, try to keep up, B-Lo will go slowly until you do.:notacrook:

[Mr. Rochester]

Indeed, that's why I say, you will see things happening in Roc~town soon as well. I think Buffalo is slowly getting new quality leadership, starting with Mayor Brown. He himself, is not a new politician, but I think he's in the right position. I really like his enthusiasm with this project, as well as The BCS Tower, which he vows will be built. With an influx of well placed planners (I hear he added a few from Texas) things could pick up. The problems in WNY were not created overnight, and won't be solved overnight. Things are happening. Not as fast as we would like, but for a LONG TIME, there was nothing.

So come on Rochester, try to keep up, B-Lo will go slowly until you do.:notacrook:

Were almost the same size as Buffalo now!.:tup::cheers:

Rochester is going to slowly come back. We have some job growth which is always nice. I have some insider on how much Kodak is going to layoff... Doesn't look to good... But also it wont be as bad as before.

Another thing... It is nice to see our sister city having some good leaders... In Rochester it seems like they have there head up there arse pretty deep. It is extremly frustrating.


WNY OWN STATE!

[Halovet]

Were almost the same size as Buffalo now!.:tup::cheers:

Rochester is going to slowly come back. We have some job growth which is always nice. I have some insider on how much Kodak is going to layoff... Doesn't look to good... But also it wont be as bad as before.

Another thing... It is nice to see our sister city having some good leaders... In Rochester it seems like they have there head up there arse pretty deep. It is extremly frustrating.


WNY OWN STATE!
Just think, If only Xerox had taken advantage of Bill Gates's proposel called WINDOWS, Buffalo and Rochester might have been what Seattle and Portland are.:koko:

[Mr. Rochester]

Just think, If only Xerox had taken advantage of Bill Gates's proposel called WINDOWS, Buffalo and Rochester might have been what Seattle and Portland are.:koko:

Damn Xerox to hell!


I'm taking pictures of Buffalo skyline this weekend... I am excited.

[Mr. Rochester]

Damn Xerox to hell!


I'm taking pictures of Buffalo skyline this weekend... I am excited.

Alright so whos going to the winter classic on new years day!? I am excited but not so much on trying to find the ticket.

[canada_habs2004]

why is it that nearby Niagara Falls, NY still has the taller buildings in the area. The new Hilton tower is to be 58 stories, I think HSBC is only 40 Stories. Does Buffalo have any bigger projects coming up that will actually significantly add to its skyline?

[Downtown Bolivar]

canada--you're thinking of the Canadian side of the Falls. Yes--there are some big projects over there fueled by tourism and the casinos. This type of construction is different from the residential, commercial and mixed-use that Buffalo is now trying to develop. Yes there is a big project on the horizon--the 40 story Buffalo City Tower by BSC group, as well as some others--see the Buffalo thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=114505)in the City Compilations section for a complete list.

[Halovet]

why is it that nearby Niagara Falls, NY still has the taller buildings in the area. The new Hilton tower is to be 58 stories, I think HSBC is only 40 Stories. Does Buffalo have any bigger projects coming up that will actually significantly add to its skyline?

Check here as well!


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=118708

[Halovet]

Damn Xerox to hell!


I'm taking pictures of Buffalo skyline this weekend... I am excited.



Well, thanks to BANKofMANHATTAN's creative skillz, Here's what the Skyline's prabably going to look like in the next 4 or 5 years. THX again BOM!:tup:

For Halovet:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1491/33plusbscqa3.jpg

and just think, this dosen't include the New U.S. Courthouse, Dulski renovations, Paladino's Lakefront tower,
50 Court, or 33 Gates Circle.:D

[Sgt. Sabre]

Alright so whos going to the winter classic on new years day!? I am excited but not so much on trying to find the ticket.
Just got mine in the mail today. Funny thing, all the legal mumbo-jumbo verbage on the back specifically mentions "the New York Yankees", MLB rules, and nobody else. WTF?!?! Maybe by appearing under the guise of a better-run league (how sad is it that we can call MLB better-run?) they'll try to instill more of a sense of credibility.

why is it that nearby Niagara Falls, NY still has the taller buildings in the area. The new Hilton tower is to be 58 stories, I think HSBC is only 40 Stories. Does Buffalo have any bigger projects coming up that will actually significantly add to its skyline?
Compleeeeeetly different dynamic. Not to mention being in a different, more progressive nation/province (meanwhile this one seems hell bent on diminishing the importance of the border). Thing I don't like about the Canadian side, however, is that the falls themselves have almost become something of a sideshow. Quite sad, really. Oh well.

Also consider it has a taller and faster growing skyline than many so-called "booming" US cities and probably anything else in Canada save for probably just Toronto and Vancouver.

Well, thanks to BANKofMANHATTAN's creative skillz, Here's what the Skyline's prabably going to look like in the next 4 or 5 years. THX again BOM!:tup:

For Halovet:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1491/33plusbscqa3.jpg

and just think, this dosen't include the New U.S. Courthouse, Dulski renovations, Paladino's Lakefront tower,
50 Court, or 33 Gates Circle.:D
I love that "rendering"; by far the best. Hopefully in a few years I'll get to see that angle every afternoon! All it needs is something tall to either side of the Electric Tower and/or in the gap between M&T and HSBC and I'd say it'd be a pretty damn well-balanced skyline, from that angle at least.

[BUFFALOVE!!]

^^ Yeah if you're coming north on the 190 the gap between HSBC and Main Place is horrendous. There are a few parking lots near/ on main st between the two towers that could be used; just incase anyone here is a big developer :)

[Halovet]

I love that "rendering"; by far the best. Hopefully in a few years I'll get to see that angle every afternoon! All it needs is something tall to either side of the Electric Tower and/or in the gap between M&T and HSBC and I'd say it'd be a pretty damn well-balanced skyline, from that angle at least.Give it time, I'm sure Bashir (Isa) and a few other's have taken new interest in the skyline now that new attention has been paid. I wonder if Palidino's Lakefront tower (around 18 stories I think) will at least have an impact on that HSBC-M&T gap, at least looking from the west? Anyway, here's that tower again for reference.
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/2746/tower2go4.jpg
Also, here's a site where there seems to be some info on other Palidino projects!
http://www.allthingsbuffalo.wnymedia.net/?cat=9

[Mr. Rochester]

Give it time, I'm sure Bashir (Isa) and a few other's have taken new interest in the skyline now that new attention has been paid. I wonder if Palidino's Lakefront tower (around 18 stories I think) will at least have an impact on that HSBC-M&T gap, at least looking from the west? Anyway, here's that tower again for reference.
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/2746/tower2go4.jpg
Also, here's a site where there seems to be some info on other Palidino projects!
http://www.allthingsbuffalo.wnymedia.net/?cat=9

Guys seriously! Chill out with these sick new projects! Let Rochester catch up!:jester: :tup:

I am going to :cheers: my problems away!

[Sgt. Sabre]

I'm not too keen on the "sand castle" looks of that tower, but if the end-game is to have a waterfront littered with those or with the Asian-esque towers in Toronto, I'll take these - it's much more "open" and "organic" looking or something.

[Halovet]

Guys seriously! Chill out with these sick new projects! Let Rochester catch up!:jester: :tup:

I am going to :cheers: my problems away!
WCP posted a better looking rendering in the Buffalo Developments thread.
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4749/newbwaterpicss7.jpg

[Halovet]

^^ Yeah if you're coming north on the 190 the gap between HSBC and Main Place is horrendous. There are a few parking lots near/ on main st between the two towers that could be used; just incase anyone here is a big developer :)
A 15 or 20 story tower in that spot just might fill that void.:yes Sounds like there's interest in making that happen.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4749/newbwaterpicss7.jpg

[BuffaloBill]

And now maybe a 22 story hotel on a Seneca Indian casino complex?

:rolleyes:

Don't mean to hi-jack this thread, but thought I'd throw that new development in there.

[BUFFALOVE!!]

^^ i'm going to start a new thread

[Mr. Rochester]

^^ i'm going to start a new thread

Buffalove did you create the Buffalove Facebook group that I am apart of?

[Halovet]

And now maybe a 22 story hotel on a Seneca Indian casino complex?

:rolleyes:

Don't mean to hi-jack this thread, but thought I'd throw that new development in there.You didn't hi-jack a thing. There was a hunch that there was interest in placing a 20 story tower in that spot, you provided the eveidence. Like Miller Lite, GOOD CALL!:cheers:

[Mr. Rochester]

Alright who went the Bills game yesterday... :(

[Sgt. Sabre]

I went to bed shortly after halftime, so as far as I'm concerned, they won. :D

I live barely a quarter mile from the stadium grounds, so I actually could tell what was going on even with the TV muted. Kinda cool, except for the constant buzzing of the airplane overhead. That was pretty annoying. Had never been so close to a MNF game though, so it was certainly different. The atmosphere was so different from a regular game, it was actually palpable. It's a shame Dick Mauron had to try to give the game away. Oh well, it doesn't really bother me too much; I'm not half the fan I used to be, of the game in general - just don't find it as entertaining anymore. I'm more of a hockey fan.

[Halovet]

I went to bed shortly after halftime, so as far as I'm concerned, they won. :D

I live barely a quarter mile from the stadium grounds, so I actually could tell what was going on even with the TV muted. Kinda cool, except for the constant buzzing of the airplane overhead. That was pretty annoying. Had never been so close to a MNF game though, so it was certainly different. The atmosphere was so different from a regular game, it was actually palpable. It's a shame Dick Mauron had to try to give the game away. Oh well, it doesn't really bother me too much; I'm not half the fan I used to be, of the game in general - just don't find it as entertaining anymore. I'm more of a hockey fan.Dick Mauron! How fitting. I have been a Bills (Sabres) fan sence 1960. You can only imagine how F%$king fustrated I am. Most of the family is in Dallas now, boy are they pissed. Marv, please bring in Marty!:offtopic:

[RocTX]

Were almost the same size as Buffalo now!.:tup::cheers:

Rochester is going to slowly come back. We have some job growth which is always nice. I have some insider on how much Kodak is going to layoff... Doesn't look to good... But also it wont be as bad as before.

Another thing... It is nice to see our sister city having some good leaders... In Rochester it seems like they have there head up there arse pretty deep. It is extremly frustrating.


WNY OWN STATE!

I actually think that Kodak's troubles will be good for Rochester over the long-term. It never was healthy that so much of the city's economy depended on just one company. As you pointed out in an earlier post, Rochester is experiencing at least some job growth in spite of the layoffs by its major players. Most of that growth is among small and mid-size companies, at least a few of which are sure to grow into major employers at some point in the future.

Western NY will revive someday...at which point I can return from exile!

[fish2026]

I know some of you think build anything and it will benefit Buffalo, but its short sighted. What advantages does Buffalo have aside from cheap housing?

What I like about Buffalo is that it looks like places did when I was growing up. The old look of its architecture is a big plus. There are so many old buildings that need fixing up and that could make excellent projects, why foul up one of the best skylines in the US?

[BUFFALOVE!!]

I know some of you think build anything and it will benefit Buffalo, but its short sighted. What advantages does Buffalo have aside from cheap housing?

What I like about Buffalo is that it looks like places did when I was growing up. The old look of its architecture is a big plus. There are so many old buildings that need fixing up and that could make excellent projects, why foul up one of the best skylines in the US?

First let me say that this tower will do nothing for Buffalo's skyline because it is more than 2 miles north of the downtown area. Second this great skyline you speak of has, in my opinion, has only a few good angles. Looking south, down main st. from an elevated position, or looking south, down Niagara st from street level. If you take the typical view from across the water the skyline looks horrible. HSBC over powers everything else and is off in the distance. In addition there are many gaps; broken tooth is a popular slimily. The view is very similar coming north on the 190, until you get very close to the downtown area.

While I agree that there is a fair amount of great buildings that need to be rehabbed our city as a whole and the downtown area in particular could stand to have some more mid/high-rise structures to fill in major gaps, mostly provided by surface parking lots.

[Halovet]

First let me say that this tower will do nothing for Buffalo's skyline because it is more than 2 miles north of the downtown area. Second this great skyline you speak of has, in my opinion, has only a few good angles. Looking south, down main st. from an elevated position, or looking south, down Niagara st from street level. If you take the typical view from across the water the skyline looks horrible. HSBC over powers everything else and is off in the distance. In addition there are many gaps; broken tooth is a popular slimily. The view is very similar coming north on the 190, until you get very close to the downtown area.

While I agree that there is a fair amount of great buildings that need to be rehabbed our city as a whole and the downtown area in particular could stand to have some more mid/high-rise structures to fill in major gaps, mostly provided by surface parking lots.Stop the hate BUFFALOVE! Gee wiz, god forbid, somebody shows a little optimisim. Typical Buffalo. LOL!

[BUFFALOVE!!]

Well the lawsuit is official, an official joke. First hearing is 24Nov. From what i've read, a rational judge will throw that crap out the window and spit on it while is on the way down.

[BUFFALOVE!!]

I put in a request to have this drawn and posted on the diagrams page. lets home someone responds

[Halovet]

Well the lawsuit is official, an official joke. First hearing is 24Nov. From what i've read, a rational judge will throw that crap out the window and spit on it while is on the way down.
Nov24th is a Saturday. Could they be attempting to slip one in here? You sure that date is right? If so, I don't like how this is going down, and the Holiday too! Seems Shisty!

[StevenW]

Very nice tower!! :)

[Mr. Rochester]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMTsyUQ3Hns

[BUFFALOVE!!]

^^ The origional video (I didnt like this sped-up one) should be played as a commercial in southern cities where the other half of Buffalo lives. If that doesnt bring people back home I dont know what will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn6vqxvGKUs&feature=related

[steel]

I think that video is corny

[9091]

Good News - the lawsuit that was holding up this project has been dismissed. Construction may now proceed.

[Halovet]

Good News - the lawsuit that was holding up this project has been dismissed. Construction may now proceed.
Finally, some good news!:tup:

[BUFFALOVE!!]

yup i´m pretty excited about this. didnt montante construction could start before the end of the year or am i making that up?

[Buffaboy]

Well, where is it? It's 7 years later and there's this mixed use place going up across the street. I personally think it's time to dust it off.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mnVwoUIOyoM/Rk8zeDEtcqI/AAAAAAAAAA0/R1IL6Atvv3I/s1600/1078_2_1000+Diamond+33+Gates+Circle+2.jpg

http://buffalorising.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/gatesmain-770x300.jpg