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NYguy
Apr 25, 2007, 8:54 PM
I personally love that the city comes alive at night, but some disagree...

(Daily News)

Here's a bright idea: Turn off the lights!
Days after Bloomberg unveils giant green proposal,
News finds city burning midnight oil

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Despite Mayor Bloomberg's emphasis on going green, the city wastes thousands of dollars powering buildings at night.

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3 a.m. at Bronx Hall of Justice

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Manhattan Municipal Building

This story was reported by VERONIKA BELENKAYA, LISA L. COLANGELO,
RACHEL MONAHAN, ETHAN ROUEN and RICHARD WEIR

by TINA MOORE
April 25th 2007, 4:00 AM

Well into the night, the lights at the Department of Education headquarters in Manhattan are routinely on - yet nobody is home.

The same goes for the new Bronx Hall of Justice on E. 161st St., which was lit up from top to bottom at 3 a.m. yesterday, even though it's not being used yet - and is labeled a "green building."

The Bloomberg administration unveiled its 25-year plan last week for a greener city. Today, the Daily News offers this simple tip to City Hall:

Turn out the lights.

"It's safe to say if you're turning out the lights, you're going to be paying less and you're going to be polluting less," said Jason Babbie, senior environmental policy analyst at the New York Public Interest Research Group. "It sounds like a few city offices need to be reminded of that."

The News sent reporters out at night to parts of the city with pockets of municipal buildings to see if the city is practicing what Mayor Bloomberg is preaching about energy conservation.

In downtown Brooklyn, lower Manhattan, the South Bronx and Long Island City, Queens, we found examples lit up like a Christmas tree in April.

Lights at the historic Tweed Courthouse, which houses the Education Department headquarters, were still blazing at 3:50 a.m.

Education Department spokeswoman Margie Feinberg said Tweed is regularly cleaned during off-hours.

The department's building at 65 Court St. in Brooklyn also was lit well into the wee hours.

Feinberg said those lights had to be on because of an unspecified number of information technology and payroll employees who work overnight. She refused to provide an exact number of late-night workers and referred further questions to the city.

The Education Department paid $172,000 in the most recent fiscal year for lighting, elevators, air conditioning and heating for the Court St. building.

If the department stopped running its lights at night, it would potentially save a third of that cost, or about $57,000 a year. The city could hire one new teacher at the average starting salary of $42,512 or two new cops at $25,000 each.

The still-vacant courthouse in the Bronx required $78,000 of electricity in February, said Paul Bergdorf, a spokesman for the state Dormitory Authority, which is constructing the courthouse for the city.

The city is paying for the building costs, including the electricity. Turning the lights off at night in February could have saved city taxpayers as much as $26,000.

Bergdorf said the lights are computerized and set to remain on at a dimmer level for janitorial service - even though the offices are empty and no janitors areworking.

After he received a call from The News, he said his department would look into the light usage at night.

"We're having our electrical consultants review the system to make sure it's working as it was designed," he said.

A hulking building that holds municipal offices at 30-30 Thomson Ave. in Long Island City shined brightly at 2:45 a.m. yesterday with about two-thirds of its windows lit. At the main entrance, even the display windows featuring school blueprints and models were illuminated.

"It's definitely a big waste," said Krishna Mukherji, 45, as she gazed up at the building one night last week. "People should be made aware of it. Electricity is not free."

The building on Thomson Ave. is privately owned, but the city pays for electric in the space it leases.

When asked for comment, Bloomberg spokesman John Gallagher noted that city greenhouse gas emissions had remained steady for the past five years despite rising for the previous six. Energy use in buildings accounts for about 80% of greenhouse gas emissions, he said.

"City government doesn't come to a halt at 5 p.m.," he said, "and certain lights will be on in government buildings after-hours."

One of those buildings is apparently the stately Municipal Building at 1 Centre St., which houses numerous city offices.

The whopping 1 million-square-foot building is 3.4 times larger than the Education Department's building in Brooklyn. Based on that property's electricity costs, the city could save $194,000 a year by keeping the lights off - enough to pay for four city housing inspectors who earn $47,762.

PhillyRising
Apr 25, 2007, 9:02 PM
Somebody please remind Bloomy that well lit cities at night...are safe well lit cities at night. Dark buildings invite the less than desirable to make themselves at home.

donybrx
Apr 25, 2007, 9:05 PM
I love city lights as much as anybody..and yet.....doing some cutting back could be a very powerful example (pun unavoidable...) of conscientious contribution to
sensible use of juice (is there a motto there?) Safety need not be compromised in the process....



During the energy crisis of the late 1970s tower lighting was verboten after certain hours.......

LostInTheZone
Apr 25, 2007, 9:10 PM
Somebody please remind Bloomy that well lit cities at night...are safe well lit cities at night. Dark buildings invite the less than desirable to make themselves at home.

this isn't talking about street lights or bright storefronts, it's about turning off office lights overnight. Which is a great, common-sense idea.

LMich
Apr 25, 2007, 10:21 PM
This is a tough one for me, even though it seems like common sense. Aesthetically, night-lighting of towers just looks nice. It's also great advertising for a property. But, it's obvious it doesn't outweigh the negative consequences.

I know that, at least since the late 1990's/early 2000, the Michigan State Capitol has been cutting its lights after 8 or 9 O'Clock to save money.

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HomeInMyShoes
Apr 25, 2007, 10:22 PM
I agree that lights inside should be turned off to a greater extent. Much as I love the downtown photographs with all the lights, it is wasteful. It's also an incredibly easy way to reduce some of our energy usage and costs almost nothing to implement.

NYguy
Apr 25, 2007, 10:31 PM
amny

Fear not _ mayor says Great White Way won't go dark to save power

April 25, 2007

The lights on Broadway, which make Times Square glow like daytime in the middle of the night, won't be dimmed as part of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's conservation plans.

The famous necklace lights that line the city's bridges _ which are sometimes turned off during a heat wave to conserve power _ will also remain, he said Wednesday.

"It may use some energy, but you get a great benefit because that's a symbol of New York," he said. "The Great White Way is a symbol of New York."

Bloomberg, who unveiled a package of environmental proposals last weekend, said New York's greatest landmarks are not in danger of going dark. The sustainability plan calls for the city to reduce its energy consumption through various methods, including financial incentives and mandates.

"Nobody suggests that we should stop using electricity, go live in tents and do without all of the modern technology," he said.

He would like to see Times Square businesses investigate switching over to low-energy light bulbs, which are being installed throughout City Hall and in his own home.

"That would save them a lot of money," he said, "and it won't take anything away from the experience."

JManc
Apr 25, 2007, 10:42 PM
north korea turns itself off to save power...except for all the statutes to kim il sung. ;)

Matty
Apr 26, 2007, 12:55 AM
^Must really suck if you're on the subway

BTinSF
Apr 26, 2007, 1:29 AM
In an era of mini-flourescent and LED lights, it should be possible to maintain plenty of outdoor lighting for a reasonable expenditure of energy. I'm all for turning off the indoor lights in unused spaces and converting to maximally efficient outdoor lights, but not turning them off. As far as I know, this isn't done in places like the Ginza and I see no reason we should do it.

brian_b
Apr 26, 2007, 1:53 AM
The officials quoted talked about people still being in the buildings at night - which is totally legitimate. The authors found one instance of lights being on when they shouldn't, and are just assuming all the rest are the same.

It is definitely a good idea for NYC to do an audit of late-night electricity usage, but none of those buildings are going dark.

kool maudit
Apr 26, 2007, 2:25 AM
going dark is not joyous. it's responsibility at the price of effervescence. it's a dismal little plan.