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Jularc
Dec 8, 2006, 7:13 PM
Some Cities Have Unusual Problem: Too Many Mega-Churches
Federal Law Has Unintended Consequences In South, Southwest


By Amy Green
Christian Science Monitor
published online 12-07-2006

NEW YORK — It’s rush hour in southeast Orlando — Sunday rush hour, that is.
About a dozen churches are within a few miles of one another, and more are under construction. Neighbors venturing out for bagels and other errands find themselves stuck in traffic, heads bowed not in faith but frustration. Some complain that the traffic persists all week, as religious, youth, sports, and other activities draw crowds after work and school.

“It’s ridiculous,” says Pat DeLanger, an accountant who was about to climb into her car on a recent Sunday with her teen-age daughter after a service at St. Isaac Jogues Catholic Church. She lives less than a mile away, but expects her Sunday morning drive to stretch to 30 minutes once construction on another church across the street is complete. “We live right there. We probably could walk faster.” While communities traditionally zone against houses of ill-repute, not houses of worship, frustrations have grown since 2000, when then-President Clinton signed the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act.

The law doesn’t exempt churches from zoning regulations, per se. But when religious groups say the rules would create “a substantial burden,” officials must show a compelling reason for the limits. Sometimes, the results leave neighborhoods feeling helpless in the face of ecclesiastical development. Across the country, local governments are challenging the law in court, says Marci Hamilton, a church-state scholar at Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University in New York. She believes the issue probably will reach the US Supreme Court.

“It’s happening all over the country,” Ms. Hamilton says. “I get an e-mail from a new neighborhood daily. It’s unbelievable because of this law what religious entities are willing to impose on residential neighborhoods.”

For their part, religious leaders say they are responding to growth in their communities by providing needed services. Growth among houses of worship — particularly mega-churches — poses a delicate quandary for local leaders. In smaller communities, too many churches — because of their tax-exempt status — can even strain the economy.

The federal government exempts religious organizations from property taxes, but some cities have become creative in collecting money from churches, says Chris Hoene, research manager for the National League of Cities in Washington. For example, some have begun taxing religious organizations’ profit-generating enterprises, such as publishing.

Especially in communities that operate on small margins, a small change in the budget can mean a big difference.

“It’s a growing concern, because ... the not-for-profit sector is continually noted as a fast-growing sector,” Mr. Hoene says.


Stafford, Texas Has 51 Houses of Worship


In Stafford, Texas, leaders decided that with 51 places of worship and only 300 acres left to develop, they had too many churches. This Houston suburb of 20,000 balloons on Sundays, since many of the worshippers commute from outside the community, says Mayor Leonard Scarcella. With no property tax, the city’s budget was stretched.

Leaders imposed new regulations that would subject anyone who wants to develop in Stafford to stricter review.

“We believe very strongly in God. If you want religion, you can get just about anything here,” Mr. Scarcella says. “We don’t have 51 of anything else.... We’re looking into ways that we can maintain balance.”

Tensions can run especially high over land residents hope to preserve for agriculture or conservation purposes.

In Maryland’s Montgomery County, leaders zoned 93,000 acres as an agricultural reserve in 1980. The zoning allowed churches, and there were about 60 scattered around, says Royce Hanson, chairman of the county planning board. More than a year ago, several megachurches sought to develop in the area.

Neighbors balked, and leaders rejected building plans that would have required their own water and sewer systems. Religious organizations haven’t sued yet, Mr. Hanson says, but they’re not happy with the decision. The plans were “out of character with the rural area,” he says. “Those of us who want to preserve the agricultural reserve believe it was a good solution.”

In southeast Orlando, Faith Assembly of God is paying the city impact fees of up to $1 million to build a new location to hold its 6,000 members, the Rev. Robb Hawks says. He says the argument that places of worship don’t pay for their own development is a fallacy. His church will hold weeklong activities at its current location, and hold worship services in its new home, which will be located right across from another large church.

Neighbors are concerned that the roads can’t handle the development, but Mr. Hawks offers no apology for his church’s growth. It’s a reflection of Orlando’s rampant development, he says.

“I find it fascinating that people will move into a housing development ... and the first thing they want to do is stop any developments going in around them,” Hawks says. “People come ... looking for community, and where do you find community?... They go looking for a church to not only fulfill their spiritual needs but their social needs as well.”


© Brooklyn Daily Eagle 2006

softee
Dec 8, 2006, 8:44 PM
Maybe they should just build a huge dome over some of these towns so that they can turn their entire communities into one ultimate mega-church.

Wheelingman04
Dec 8, 2006, 11:05 PM
^ That would be scary, especially for a non-religious person like me.

JManc
Dec 8, 2006, 11:13 PM
but stafford really has no mega churches. although having a lot of churches of any size could explain why stafford is so poor and rundown...no tax base. just about every shopping center and store has closed. it was so bad that its more affluent section broke away and started its own community...the meadows.

MayorOfChicago
Dec 9, 2006, 1:51 AM
She lives less than a mile away, but expects her Sunday morning drive to stretch to 30 minutes once construction on another church across the street is complete. “We live right there. We probably could walk faster.”

HAHAHAHAHAH....I love it. Obviously she isn't even thinking of the possibility of WALKING almost a whole mile to church!! Too bad she could probably get there in less than half the time. She's bitching about the problem when she's totally part of it and has an easy way out that none of the other people do.

AZheat
Dec 9, 2006, 1:58 AM
I'm not religious but I can appreciate the sincerity of the small town church that attracts believers every Sunday. The mega-churches are just money machines that exploit people and have basically turned religion into a business.

LMich
Dec 9, 2006, 2:17 AM
Didn't we already go over this before? At least the Stafford story a few months ago?

Exodus
Dec 9, 2006, 2:20 AM
^ That would be scary, especially for a non-religious person like me.Yeah I know, you would be stuck in a high crime area.

Pandemonious
Dec 9, 2006, 7:56 AM
This may be a stupid question for some, but do churches even have to pay property tax? I am non-religious, but regardless of that, If they don't.. I say fuck that. As far as I can see, the people who go to churches use the roads and infrastructure like everyone else going anywhere and should have to pay for it.

roner
Dec 9, 2006, 8:20 AM
This may be a stupid question for some, but do churches even have to pay property tax? I am non-religious, but regardless of that, If they don't.. I say fuck that. As far as I can see, the people who go to churches use the roads and infrastructure like everyone else going anywhere and should have to pay for it.

Your reasoning sounds right but think through it. If you make churches pay taxes like other businesses then they are going to expect special treatment like other industries. Do you want that? Personally I don't. Let them be and out of the politics of development, commerce, and elections. (well W kinda changed that-but you now what I mean). Thats all we need, churches asking for light rail or city bus service to their door steps. :yuck:

JManc
Dec 9, 2006, 10:26 AM
As far as I can see, the people who go to churches use the roads and infrastructure like everyone else going anywhere and should have to pay for it.


umm...people driving to church do pay for the roads and infrastructure the same way as everyone else does; registration fees, taxes, etc.

Pandemonious
Dec 9, 2006, 10:28 AM
^^I somewhat agree with what you said, but I specifically pointed out property taxes (which clearly are not solely related to businesses), not all taxes... and come on, churches asking for light rail service? that will be the day. Personally, I would rather them do that then all drive.

Pandemonious
Dec 9, 2006, 10:32 AM
Fuck it. I will just delete this post and ignore this thread.. as the argument is destined to go nowhere.

LMich
Dec 9, 2006, 10:35 AM
This is the most basic concept of separation of church and state. The government should no more regulate churches than churches should regulate the state. Churches are tax exempt, as they should be. They risk losing that status if they tell people how to vote (officially endorsing candidates, and such).

Exodus
Dec 9, 2006, 1:57 PM
I didn't know that. IMO they should have to pay property tax.

rockyi
Dec 9, 2006, 2:48 PM
We have a few here that I can think of but by far the largest is a former "Ultimate Electronics" superstore building that closed and was bought and re-opened as some kind of mega-church.
I can't imagine that they draw that many people to fill this huge structure.

bobdreamz
Dec 9, 2006, 4:45 PM
Churches enjoy non profit tax exempt status. If they did have to pay any sort of taxes mega churches wouldn't exist today. I'm bemused by Orlando being mentioned in the article but there does seem to be an inordinate amount of churches here along with a bible theme park! I also have 5 religious channels on my local basic cable.

Cleveland Brown
Dec 9, 2006, 8:18 PM
Obviously the CSM writer needs to visit any midwester or sourther Ghetto. The pattern is Store front church, liquor store, nail place/beauty supply, a few ghetto businesses and abandoned ones. Repeat.

I remember counting more than 20 church in one mile on a single street in Detroit once. Puritan street, no pun intended.

passdoubt
Dec 9, 2006, 9:50 PM
Ghettos in the Northeast are like that too. As I'd assume they are in every region of the country. "Saturday sinnin', Sunday morning at the feet of the father." Camden, New Jersey has a lot of blocks with dozens of non-tax paying uses: Church, methadone clinic, church, halfway house, outreach center, church, Planned Parenthood, church, soup kitchen, nonproft this, nonprofit that, abandoned storefront. Not a dime in tax dollars.

Buckeye Native 001
Dec 10, 2006, 7:11 PM
Obviously the CSM writer needs to visit any midwester or sourther Ghetto. The pattern is Store front church, liquor store, nail place/beauty supply, a few ghetto businesses and abandoned ones. Repeat.

WIG STORES! :hyper: