Tempe Development Thread

[azsunsurfer]

Noticed the Lemon Street parcel north of the Vue was on DPR agenda recently. Any word on the old M7 parcel?

Some investors bought those appartments from Chase as a result of the previous owner going into foreclosure. The fact that land is entitled for up to 1,600 beds is an "exit strategy" according to their website. They are only planning to rennovate them to increase rents in the meantime.

[azsunsurfer]

By the way I never received a welcome to the forum, oh that's ok nice to meet you too.....

[ApacheRedevelopment]

Looks like that vacant parcel next to the VUE will finally be developed. I got this from the Development Review Comission's next agenda.

"Request for an Amended Planned Area Development Overlay and Development Plan Review consisting of a proposed mixed-use development including 327 dwelling units all within a (14) fourteen-story building for THE GROVE AT 1000 EAST APACHE (PL120130), located at 1000 East Apache Boulevard. The applicant is Snell & Wilmer, LLP."

Attached is the elevation of the Grove. It doesnt look that much taller than the Vue.

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

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[ApacheRedevelopment]

What is going in on the parking lot next to W6? I saw a zoning sign for a 6 story building.

According to the Development Review Commission:
Request for an Amended Planned Area Development Overlay and Development Plan Review consisting of a new six-story 341 unit multi-family residential development for THE HANOVER PROJECT (PL120313), located at 101 West 5th Street. The applicant is Gammage & Burnham PLC.

Attached are some elevations of the project from the City of Tempe

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http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

[Arquitect]

Attached is the elevation of the Grove. It doesnt look that much taller than the Vue.

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/525762_487582804605959_1329309280_n.png

Thanks for posting both projects.

I am a bit disillusioned by the aesthetics of both. They look like pretty boring buildings. I'm not saying that every project in Tempe should be cutting edge architecture, but these seem like more of developers trying to do the bare minimum to make as much profit as they can. At least the one on Apache looks like it will provide plenty of space for retail on its lower level; but the one on 5th is a huge disapointment. As I expressed earlier, that lot has a lot of potential to become a connection between Mill and the future developments along Farmer and Ash. And it seems like it is all being wasted on a monolithic 6 story single-use project. I appreciate that it at least is right up to the curve, but when talking about residences, that isn't always ideal.

[Jjs5056]

Is there any hope that the northeast corner of the Hanover project could be retail? Or, would that have been mentioned elsewhere the proposal?

I don't hate the design; will certainly bring more residents to the core, replace a huge parking lot and help to expand downtwn eastward. Height and lack of retail are certainly the majotr red flags. The more I think about it, the more I think some of the Apache development would have made more sense. The new 14-story apartmentt adjacent to the Vue, for instance, would have brought retail and made an impact on the skyline that is essentially just the w6 towers.

Is there any chance the development could be reworked pending city review? I remember something similar happening with the Mosaic back in the day. I would much rather see this in its current form on Ash or Farmer. Sorry to be repetitive, but there are just so few lots left for high rise development. :(

I do like the break between all the mdern/glass buildings nearby. All the more reason that a larger structure would have been more appealing.

[phxSUNSfan]

I am probably the only one who likes the Hanover project. I think the brick adds some understated quality with simple lines juxtaposed to the ultra modern glass and steel of the W6. It isn't too busy which often makes a new structure unappealing. Although the W6 towers offer a great "peak" to the Tempe skyline, I don't think this small city needs many more high-rises of that size. 30+ floors is overkill for the small area; especially one that lacks the land to build a skyline like downtown or midtown Phoenix.

More 10-15 floor mid-rises would work perfectly in a dense setting like Tempe. Building many shorter (4-10 floor) apartment buildings like Hanover works extremely well in walkable residential areas. It works for European cities and for areas of Seattle and even New York; especially residential neighborhoods and near universities like NYU, Columbia, and UW (Washington). This is the area round Columiba University in NYC:
http://www.columbia.edu/files/columbia/content/cu-in-new-york.png

Furthermore, since vacancies exist on Mill and more retail can be built on that street, I do not believe that every new residential structure needs ground level retail. It would be nice to incorporate residential only buildings into this area of Tempe. Think of some of the entrances and elevations of Roosevelt Square on Portland nearer 3rd Ave in Phoenix.

[nickw252]

I really like the look of the Hanover also. The brick facade goes really well in an urban setting. I'm tired of all the buildings that use "southwestern" design schemes and colors like the Summit at Copper Square,

[azsunsurfer]

I like the Hanover project in its current form...but I wish it were being built along the railroad tracks. It would have been a nice gradual buffer between the lower rise neighbhorhoods of the west and DT Tempe. That site could have been left for a more intense development proposal since I think that is one of the few vacant parcels left dt where you can go up to 30 stories.

[MegaBass]

According to the Development Review Commission:
Request for an Amended Planned Area Development Overlay and Development Plan Review consisting of a new six-story 341 unit multi-family residential development for THE HANOVER PROJECT (PL120313), located at 101 West 5th Street. The applicant is Gammage & Burnham PLC.

Attached are some elevations of the project from the City of Tempe

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http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/379140_487586617938911_462486837_n.png

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

Links to the .PDFs of Hanover and The Grove? Speaking of brick work, I like how McCord Hall is turning out. Sun Devil Fitness Complex (SRC) expansion construction pace has been picking up of late. They're also adding solar roof panels on the existing portion.

[ASUSunDevil]

Hanover looks decent, definitely think it should be taller (10-12 stories) but the brick does fit well with the old brick buildings on Mill Ave. I don't see an immediate need for ground floor retail with the current vacancies on Mill Ave. as well as on 5th street just east of Mill (Light Rail Station and The Hub's soon to be ground floor retail).

Between the Tempe Town Lake plans, The Hub, The Hanover Project, The Grove, Residence Inn by Marriott and Argo - I think it's safe to say that Tempe is currently kicking Downtown Phoenix's ass in the development department. Now if a grocery store could just appear on Ash and University...

[Arquitect]

I am probably the only one who likes the Hanover project. I think the brick adds some understated quality with simple lines juxtaposed to the ultra modern glass and steel of the W6. It isn't too busy which often makes a new structure unappealing. Although the W6 towers offer a great "peak" to the Tempe skyline, I don't think this small city needs many more high-rises of that size. 30+ floors is overkill for the small area; especially one that lacks the land to build a skyline like downtown or midtown Phoenix.

More 10-15 floor mid-rises would work perfectly in a dense setting like Tempe. Building many shorter (4-10 floor) apartment buildings like Hanover works extremely well in walkable residential areas. It works for European cities and for areas of Seattle and even New York; especially residential neighborhoods and near universities like NYU, Columbia, and UW (Washington). This is the area round Columiba University in NYC:
http://www.columbia.edu/files/columbia/content/cu-in-new-york.png

Furthermore, since vacancies exist on Mill and more retail can be built on that street, I do not believe that every new residential structure needs ground level retail. It would be nice to incorporate residential only buildings into this area of Tempe. Think of some of the entrances and elevations of Roosevelt Square on Portland nearer 3rd Ave in Phoenix.

Don't get me wrong, I am not asking for another 30 story glass tower in that lot. But as you mendioned, something around 10 to 15 stories would be ideal. The W6 should remain our talest building, but right now it looks extremly out of place, having other tall buildings around it would really help aliviate that issue.

I also like the idea of a brick building, since it would connect to the brick theme in Mill Ave. The problem is that this won't be a beutiful brick building like the one in your picture. The difference is that the photo shows real brick buildings. The brick we see here is just a veneer, covering up cheap stud frame construction. It never looks as nice. If you don't believe me go to the Regatta point appartments on 1st street, and see their veneers. Also, from the renderings, there is just as much stucco finnishes as brick. But that isn't the reason I dislike this project. I do believe that Tempe should be diverse, not only in the people and type of jobs that it has, but also in its architecture. Not everything should be one material or look a certain way.

The true reason why I dislike this project is that it doesn't take anything about its site into account. It is extremely lazy design. It is just a box, where almost every side looks the same. They found a module and repeated it, just changing the material when the facade is pushed in or out. How is the side facing 5th different from the side facing the hotel, it isn't. The only side that is not a copy and paste of the other is the side facing W6, where the have an exposed parking garage. The box itself just goes up to its property limits, as if it was taking up an entire block in the middle of anywhere. This could be in Peoria, or Oklahoma City, or Mesa; there is nothing about this building that tells me that it was designed for this place. If it going to be purely residential, something better could have been done on the side facing 5th street. It is going to be extremly noisy on the weekends when the drunks are walking back from Mill, the people on the first floor would probably have liked a little bit more of a buffer. That is why retail makes a lot of sense. Or at least like the apartments next to Architekton, a live/work space which separates them from the noise.

It is just a cheap and quick design. I'd be extremly happy if this was going up by McClintock, or on Broadway. But this is the heart our downtown. On a site that has a lot more to offer. And it is just an ugly wasted opportunity.

[phxSUNSfan]

Real brick buildings like those of Columbia University and the neighborhood in Harlem aren't built anymore. The brick used in newer structures is the modern equivalent that is used in construction today. It is sad but it is like you said, much more inexpensive to use. If you look at the brick used for new construction on ASU's campus and the Newman Catholic Center, it looks really nice but a very different composition than what was used in the 1800's and early 1900's. We will never get construction with old standards again.

I do not think the rendering is ugly at all and like the fit for this part of Tempe. It is more in keeping with the rest of Mill Ave and even with the condominiums near light rail.

Tempe is definitely seeing more construction of apartment buildings but they are mostly student housing. The Hanover project looks like it could be for non-students which will be nice. Downtown Phoenix is seeing smaller scaled projects in neighborhoods but nothing big aside from Roosevelt Point which is also student housing.

[Arquitect]

Although neither venue is within Tempe, it is news that somewhat impacts the city. ASU's stadium deal with the Cubs fell through, so they will not be playing in the west Mesa venue. It appears like they will now try to reach an agreement with Phoenix Municipal Stadium.

I like this venue a lot more. It is an important part of sports history in Phoenix, and it would be a shame for it to remain vacant once the A's leave. Plus, I would like for Papago to begin to be fixed up a bit and have it become a park that the whole city visits.

Source: http://sports.downtowndevil.com/2012/11/02/asus-stadium-deal-with-cubs-falls-through/

[combusean]

I like the deal with Phoenix Municipal Stadium a lot more. I think there are some great redevelopment opportunities there as well, especially on that gynormous parking lot. An urban village relatively near the light rail and surrounded by the desert parkland and stadium uses would make a really great place to be.

[RichTempe]

Some pictures I took yesterday of the new Marriott and The Hub.


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[ApacheRedevelopment]

Attached is the elevation of the Grove. It doesnt look that much taller than the Vue.

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/525762_487582804605959_1329309280_n.png

Attached is another elevation of The Grove

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12782_491195974244642_690498428_n.jpg

[ApacheRedevelopment]

Links to the .PDFs of Hanover and The Grove? Speaking of brick work, I like how McCord Hall is turning out. Sun Devil Fitness Complex (SRC) expansion construction pace has been picking up of late. They're also adding solar roof panels on the existing portion.

Here is the link to the PDF

Grove and Hanover (http://www.tempe.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=13987)

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

[MegaBass]

Just noticed they renamed The Vue on Apache to 922 Place (http://922place.com/). New management or are they trying to repair the place's reputation?

[ApacheRedevelopment]

Just noticed they renamed The Vue on Apache to 922 Place (http://922place.com/). New management or are they trying to repair the place's reputation?

There is a new owner and manager. It is now owned and managed by American Campus Communities who owns and manages Vista Del Sol just down the street. The old owner is the one building The Hub

[DevilsRider]

Anyone know what's going on at the southeast corner of Vista Del Cerro and Rural? I remember there used to be a Mexican place there (Margarita's or Three Margarita's or something). Maybe I just haven't been paying attention, but I biked by there today and the restaurant building had been demolished, leaving the corner fenced off with dirt piles all over. Any cool plans for that corner?

[MegaBass]

Anyone know what's going on at the southeast corner of Vista Del Cerro and Rural? I remember there used to be a Mexican place there (Margarita's or Three Margarita's or something). Maybe I just haven't been paying attention, but I biked by there today and the restaurant building had been demolished, leaving the corner fenced off with dirt piles all over. Any cool plans for that corner?

1717 South Apache Road (http://www.tempe.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=12899)

[ASUSunDevil]

1717 South Apache Road (http://www.tempe.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=12899)

At least its decently modern looking. Wonder what kind of restaurant it will be?

[Jjs5056]

The design looks fairly similar to the retail at Playa Del Norte, no?

Wonder if the drive-thru will be for a Starbucks; nice that the patios will be fronting Rural, if not the entrances.

Any idea on what is happening with the following? Sorry for so many questions, and so little answers.

1) Lofts at Hayden Ferry: 4-story project east of Hayden Ferry Lakeside; red zoning sign was removed. Does that mean the hearing occurred, or that the project is a no-go?
2) NEC of Rural and Broadway: Red zoning sign up; I doubt this is any kind of urban project, but maybe it's better than the gas station that once stood there?
3) Rural and Tyler: I may have gotten the second street incorrect; this was the project with the hi-rise apartment tower (with a second to come pending market conditions; in other words- never)
4) Argo at Town Lake: Looked like they had leveled some of the existing structures; anything since?
5) Flour Mill: I noticed a sign looking to designate the mill on the Historic Register; would this prevent any future developments that incorporate the structure?

[ciweiss]

Lofts at Hayden Ferry project moves toward launch

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/blog/business/2012/11/lofts-at-hayden-ferry-project-moves.html

The estimated $50 million luxury apartment project along Tempe Town Lake whose fate had been pending city approval is almost a done deal.
The Tempe City Council approved blueprints for The Lofts at Hayden Ferry late last month. That approval paves the way for San Diego-based developer OliverMcMillan to move forward with the purchase of the 3.7-acre site just east of the Hayden Ferry Lakeside project near Rio Salado Parkway and Mill Avenue, Michael Lieb of Michael A. Lieb Ltd. in Phoenix told me recently.
That land deal is slated to close in December for roughly $6 million, said Lieb, who is negotiating the land deal. The property currently is owned by an entity controlled by Sunbelt Holdings LLC in Scottsdale.
The four-story project, which is a first in the Valley for OliverMcMillan, will consist of two levels of underground parking and 264 units; that’s up from the previously allowable density of 226 units, which the Tempe council amended at last month’s meeting.
Lieb said construction likely will start by mid-2013 and cost upwards of $50 million. Despite the project’s proximity to Arizona State University’s main campus, he was adamant it was not going to be student housing.
“The north Tempe markets is one of the strongest markets in Arizona,” so the units will be priced competitively with market rates, Lieb said.

There is a photo on the Phoenix Business Journal site.

[ApacheRedevelopment]

The design looks fairly similar to the retail at Playa Del Norte, no?

Wonder if the drive-thru will be for a Starbucks; nice that the patios will be fronting Rural, if not the entrances.

Any idea on what is happening with the following? Sorry for so many questions, and so little answers.

1) Lofts at Hayden Ferry: 4-story project east of Hayden Ferry Lakeside; red zoning sign was removed. Does that mean the hearing occurred, or that the project is a no-go?
2) NEC of Rural and Broadway: Red zoning sign up; I doubt this is any kind of urban project, but maybe it's better than the gas station that once stood there?
3) Rural and Tyler: I may have gotten the second street incorrect; this was the project with the hi-rise apartment tower (with a second to come pending market conditions; in other words- never)
4) Argo at Town Lake: Looked like they had leveled some of the existing structures; anything since?
5) Flour Mill: I noticed a sign looking to designate the mill on the Historic Register; would this prevent any future developments that incorporate the structure?

The NEC of Rural and Broadway will be a Panda Express

Rural and 8th and Terrace is planned for 2 high rise apartments towers, but the project is currently on hold because of engineering issues. They were supposed to start last month, but it has been pushed back to June 2013

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

[Jjs5056]

^ Wow, checked out your facebook page and was amazed by how many projects are going on in Tempe. Thank you for that resource.

1) The rendering of the new, less dense version of Gracie's looks great. I still disappointed that the height was cut in half, but the design is still super urban and modern- not what I was expecting. Very similar to the Teralever building on Mill (5th?). Also, disheartening to read some of the comments. I'm not sure why people could ever be against such a great project- great for the neighborhood by transforming a blighted boulevard into a corridor of retail, affordable housing, transit and more. I'm excited to see Apache grow into a pedestrian-friendly, dense extension of downtown- why aren't the residents?
2) Can you tell us more about some of the townhouse projects you've posted, such as the ones on Hayden or the ones on Kenneth? I assume neither is visible from the light rail? Density is great, but it's even better along the actual route. ;)
3) Happy to hear that a food mart is coming to the ground floor of the Domain! That project has to be least favorite of its kind- shitty color scheme, cheap design, too east of a location (if I'm remembering correctly), etc. But, this is fabulous news. Any idea as to what level of service this place might be? Surely, it won't be the size of a Trader Joe's, but I hope it has more of a selection than Circle K. I hope these other apartments are close enough for folks to walk, or that the selection available is worth a rail trip.
4) Can't wait to see the Grove completed. What stinks about some of th Apache development is how segregated each is; these (the Vue and the Grove) will be the first to be built adjacent, so am excited to see how they work each other and to see if this sparks more foot traffic with a continuous strip of retail.
5)The Lofts at Hayden Ferry are far denser than I anticipated; I stll can't but wish that density was more vertical. Land around the lakeis finite, and this is a truly prime spot. Building apartments that are being dwarfed by 8-story condos just doesn't seem like a terrific choice by either the developer or the city. On the positive side, the design is nice and seems to finally putting an end to the blue-glass overload. I do wonder how it will address the street? With so much activity within that development it's a shame how dead Rio Salado is.

Finally, while it's great that we are seeing quality, urban-oriented projects throughout the city, I can't help but be disappointed that the high-rises are all so spread out and a few are even outside downtown's boundaries. Projects like the Grove, the Hub and 8th/Rural are fantastic- but I just wish these were going on lots like Ash/Uni, the kne adjacent to W6, 10/Mill, Forest/Uni and so on. Heck, as I mentioned, even the ladeside development has continually shifted toward lower heights.

In a way, this is purely from an aesthetic standpoint. Having the city's only true skyscrapers miles apart (Rural/8th, the Hub and W6) just isn't visually pleasing, and I hate to see prime lots going to parking structures (Ash/Uni) or 6-story boxes (lot next to W6).

However, a more serious concern is that the downtown core and lake have limited lots left for development. Sure, the lake has a bit more, but sprawling a 4-story apartment co l,ex just doesn't seem like the best longterm plan. Almost everything planned for downtown is 6 or 4 stories, and unless this mini-boom continues, I'm nervous that we won't get more of a critical mass to spur things like a convention center, etc. in the core.

Last comment is that I am also worried about some of the retail that has been coming in recently- Loco Patron in the Gateway building seems to be such a waste. That would've been a great grocery store, bookstore, or something truly special for Tempe given its perfect location. Manwhile, more and more Scottsdale bars are opening - there is one replacing Blondie's, I believe, El Hefe is replacing My Big Fat Greek, and Firehouse is open on University and Mill. I just don't think this is the right approach for Tempe if it wants to grow up and become a truly sophisticated, dense, urban city - which, for all that I know, it does.

I'm done! Sorry for this terribly long message.

[DevilsRider]

Sooooo, big red sign came up at the SE corner of Priest and Washington. For this. Anyone else have any info on this project?

http://www.thegrandatpapagoparkcenter.com/aboutPPC.html

This is a public hearing notice for THE GRAND AT PAPAGO PARK CENTER for a Zoning Map Amendment and an Amended Planned Area Development (PAD) Overlay. The Zoning Map Amendment proposes to rezone the site from General Industrial District (GID) PAD to Mixed-Use, High Density District (MU-4) PAD. The Amended PAD Overlay proposes to establish site specific development standards for the project. The development proposal includes 11 office buildings ranging in height from three to 10-stories, 2 hotels ranging in height from 6 to 7-stories and providing up to a combined total of 600 guest rooms, limited conference space, multi-family residential buildings providing up to a combined total of 850 dwelling units, 3 one-story retail/restaurant buildings, 1 one-story restaurant building, and seven parking structures with above and below grade parking levels and parking courtyards containing over 10,000 parking spaces. The proposal has a total gross floor building area of approximately 3,187,000 square feet and a total structured parking floor area of approximately 2,858,400 square feet. The site is approximately 67.38 acres in size and is located at 1151 West Washington Street, Tempe, Arizona.

Neighborhood Meeting: December 6, 2012 @ 6:00pm (Rolling Hills Golf Course – Caddy Shack Sports Grill, 1415 North Mill Avenue, Tempe, AZ 85281)

Development Review Commission Hearing: 1/08/13 @ 6:00pm

City Council Hearing (Intro/1st Hearing): 1/24/13 @ 7:30pm

City Council Hearing (2nd Hearing): 2/7/13 @7:30pm

Case Number: PL120232

Applicant: Mitchell Rosen, Papago Park Center, Inc. (602) 236-3647

[SunDevil]

Starting to think the economy is truly in a rebound. I know, I know, job growth is just barely enough to keep up with population growth, but things are seeming to be heading in the right direction. 3 years ago all we were talking about was finishing up projects started at the end of the boom. Now we're talking about new projects.

[PHX31]

I never believe big grandiose "projects" like these with rezoning requests are anything more than entitlement grabs. But we shall see.

[Jjs5056]

Are there really no design requirements for developments literally adjacent to a light rail stop? All of these buildings have setbacks from the street, and 7 parking strcutures within the development seems absurd.

I think this piece of land is prime, however, with its proximity to the airport, light rail accessibility to both downtown Tempe and downtown Phoenix, close to the zoo, Papago, DBG, and so on. I work in the area, and have also thought this piece, as well as the huge parking lots near Phoenix Muni had a lot of potential for development.

I very much doubt we would see anything close to the finished project - just look at the Washington corporate center 1/4 mile away - but, some retail near the intersection, and at least some of the multiple hotel, residential and office buildings would be interesting. I am definitely glad to see the residential aspect; that is sorely missing from the area, and while m disappointed at the poor design/placement, a increase in residential along the light rail is a great thing.

[DevilsRider]

If you look at the renderings on the project site (and IF that actually came to pass), it appears that most of that one-floor retail/restaurant is right at the corner of Priest/Washington, with what appears to be an entry courtyard or the like, with a surface lot behind it and the hotel immediately after. One thing I'd like to see is for that surface lot behind that corner removed, since they've got so much garage parking all over the place. They could definitely narrow the hotel drive (valet parking area?), or even relegate that use to the ground floor of the adjacent garage.

I do like that most of the parking would be up against the SR-202, or hidden within the residential buildings. Maybe the two parking structures adjacent to Washington could be combined into one, and relocated so that the office buildings front the street with the garage behind.

And while I like that the location of the residential allows it to be a sort of continuation of the Lofts at Rio Salado next door, it does place all the residential as far away from a station as possible, though still walking distance.

I'd love to see the parking breakdown for each element of the project (hotel, residential, commercial, retail/restaurant) to compare with the city requirements. At the very least, it appears that the residential garages are as tall as the residences themselves, and I can't believe that much residential parking would be needed/encouraged.

Final point: I'm cautiously optimistic about the plan to activate the canal within the site. If they can continue the Grand Canal path that already exists to the east through this site, and incorporate a cool central water feature, maybe Tempe/Phoenix will work harder to extend the Grand Canal path all the way through to Washington, by the airport, where it currently ends.

[dtnphx]

I never believe big grandiose "projects" like these with rezoning requests are anything more than entitlement grabs. But we shall see.

I agree. Too early. This is the kind of project not unlike Cityscape that starts off with three blocks, 4 hirises and apartments. If anything a project like this would take 5-6 years to build out. You cannot get financing for 11 office buildings when the vacancy rate in Tempe is near 24%. I think that corridor is underutilized and suspect development will increase, but a project like this is meant to wow people rather than to supply any hard facts or timetables.

[Leo the Dog]

I'm definitely not a fan of this development. It's another suburban campus that is focused on auto-transportation. This would be great in Chandler or Mesa or N. Phx, but not in this location in Tempe. I'm sure most of this will never get built.

How many "phases" and decades will it take to construct and complete??

[Arquitect]

Although I never really have envisioned the area north of the 202 as a potential urban hub, I do agree that this development is poorly designed. The amount of parking is ridiculous; especially taking into consideration that it is right across the street from a lightrail stop, and being mixed use some of the residents could work in the offices.

It is also what I call "fake" mix use. Yes, there is office, retail and residential in the project. But they are all separate. Large project like these claim they are mixed use; but it really is single use buildings in a large campus. For a site this large, it would be nice to see a better attempt at creating something more unified. The only thing I like about this scheme is the canal park.

[Jjs5056]

While the retail is built up to the sidewalk on Priest/Washington, if you look closely, you can see the sidewalk is separated from the buildings by grass; in other words, the retail will be built to the street, but the entrances will likely be fronting the interior parking lot, which is certainly not ideal steps away from a transit stop.

While mixed use may be pushing it in terms of how it has been used traditionally, I do think the fact that the plan has so many uses - especially residential - within the project is a great thing. The design is unforgivable, however, for such a great location that literally opens up to a transit stop. Retail should be opening up the street, and should be underneath residential units. Let's face it - a very small portion of the workers within this development will light rail to work; residents, on the other hand, are more likely to use to travel. That's not fact, of course, so please feel free to disagree on that.

Love the ater feature and hope that, if this comes to fruition, that the ater feature and residential are part of any first phase. As I mentioned, I know that a similar site plan is being proposed in Rio Salado and Priest, so it'll be interesting to see which, or neither, progresses.

There is a zoning sign up for the lakeside development on Rural and the 202 - anyone know what their first step is? That's one project I am really rooting for. I love the designs and they're actually proposing some HEIGHT! Anyone know which of the buildings would come first?

On the note of taller lakeside buildings, is the 17-story senior housing part of Southbank dead?

Loving Tempe these days - driving town 5th shows how transformed that part of downtown will be and I'm excited to see it grow farther as the lake efforts continue.

[Jsmscaleros]

I think we need only look at Hayden Ferry Lakeside to see how these multi-phase projects play out over time (or for a worse example, South Bank - which has turned into a massive development of roads, a few tree plantings, and giant holes in the ground).

Hayden Ferry's office development remains unfinished (the tower that would actually be closest to pedestrian activity on Mill/Rio is unbuilt), the retail component around the fountain and courtyards on the north side is empty, the hotel was never built, and two condo towers are still holes in the ground.

This pattern has repeated itself time and again all over the valley and we still don't change policies that enable developers to purchase and raze land they can't afford to actually build on.

This problem is essentially the same thing that was happening on Kickstarter - would-be product designers would show off fancy renderings of their project in order to get venture capital, then fail because they didn't actually have a working prototype.

Kickstarter responded by not allowing renderings in their product design category - you must now demonstrate a working prototype in order to start a fundraising campaign. We need to apply the same principle to our developers (especially those based out-of-state) that come to town with lofty, half-baked plans and no means to actually deliver their product.

Prove that you have the capital, resources, and strategy to do what you say you will, agree to be held accountable for failing, and only then can you bring out the bulldozers.

[Jjs5056]

http://www.tempe.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=12577

Some interesting information and renderings for The Lofts at Hayden Ferry. I like the fact that there will be pedestrian access on all four sides, including Rio Salado. Obviously, the lake is important, but I hate how HFL completely turns its back on Rio Salado.

Looks like they're still unclear whether they will sell the units or rent. Either way, perfect location and I am happy to bring more affluent non-ASU residents to downtown.

Did I already mention that the red zoning sign was up for Hayden Harbor? Very curious to know which buildings would be going in first. The latest version of the site plan was predominantly residential- wonder if that is still the case?

I would really like to see a luxury/boutique hotel on the lake at some point. HFL still seems to be the ideal location given the easy access to downtown and transit.

[Jjs5056]

Apparently the city is requiring 40' setbacks on all developments along Rio Salado in case of any future road widenings/transit. While I'd love to see the streetcar follow that route, I think it's a shame to have these setbacks in what could be a really nice, waterfront urban area- something truly unique in the Valley. The developments have turned out suburban enough in terms of height, being over parked, lacking street front retail and so on.. At least let them build up the street.

[Arquitect]

http://www.tempe.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=12577

Some interesting information and renderings for The Lofts at Hayden Ferry. I like the fact that there will be pedestrian access on all four sides, including Rio Salado. Obviously, the lake is important, but I hate how HFL completely turns its back on Rio Salado.

Looks like they're still unclear whether they will sell the units or rent. Either way, perfect location and I am happy to bring more affluent non-ASU residents to downtown.

Did I already mention that the red zoning sign was up for Hayden Harbor? Very curious to know which buildings would be going in first. The latest version of the site plan was predominantly residential- wonder if that is still the case?

I would really like to see a luxury/boutique hotel on the lake at some point. HFL still seems to be the ideal location given the easy access to downtown and transit.

i agree, hayden ferry is the best spot for a luxury hotel. But with the original proposal falling apart, i think we will probably see a luxury hotel in ASUs Rio Salado ecoDistrict first.

[Jjs5056]

I wonder what will become of the pad just south of the shorter condo building where the hotel was slated? Abandoned indefinitely? Seems like the perfect opportunity to get *something* in that development to face Rio Salado. If the hotel is out, I wish they'd at least put up a 2-story building or something: retail on the botnom, office up top.

On a somewhat related note, I wonder why they scrapped the previous design of the third office building? It was much more interesting, opened up to the coner, and provided a space for the NYE ball drop (couldn't care less about that, but hey, it's better than a generic office building). The new rendering does nothing for me.

The old one is still on their site:http://www.haydenferry.com/office.php?id=5

Last comment for the day. I love the idea of seeing dense development around the lake; if this ever comes to fruition, I can die happy. Imagine flying into Sky Harbor and seeing this, across from Hayden Harbor, and finally Hayden Ferry Lakeside built out with more low-rise developments like The Lofts giving perfect views of the stadium and Butte... :tup: I can't help living in the past and dreaminin like it's 2005, realism aside.

http://activerain.com/blogsview/630490/south-bank-on-tempe-town-lake

[Arquitect]

Looks like the Hanover project, the one proposed for the parking lot north of W6, got shot down by the Development Review Commission.

[Arquitect]

I wonder what will become of the pad just south of the shorter condo building where the hotel was slated? Abandoned indefinitely? Seems like the perfect opportunity to get *something* in that development to face Rio Salado. If the hotel is out, I wish they'd at least put up a 2-story building or something: retail on the botnom, office up top.

On a somewhat related note, I wonder why they scrapped the previous design of the third office building? It was much more interesting, opened up to the coner, and provided a space for the NYE ball drop (couldn't care less about that, but hey, it's better than a generic office building). The new rendering does nothing for me.

The old one is still on their site:http://www.haydenferry.com/office.php?id=5

I agree that the old design is nicer, but now I am just happy that something is coming up in that corner. I hope it does soon. It is such an important piece, connecting to the Mill, Tempe Town Lake and Mill Ave; it is a shame that it has been empty for so long.

[phoenixwillrise]

Are there really no design requirements for developments literally adjacent to a light rail stop? All of these buildings have setbacks from the street, and 7 parking strcutures within the development seems absurd.

I think this piece of land is prime, however, with its proximity to the airport, light rail accessibility to both downtown Tempe and downtown Phoenix, close to the zoo, Papago, DBG, and so on. I work in the area, and have also thought this piece, as well as the huge parking lots near Phoenix Muni had a lot of potential for development.

I very much doubt we would see anything close to the finished project - just look at the Washington corporate center 1/4 mile away - but, some retail near the intersection, and at least some of the multiple hotel, residential and office buildings would be interesting. I am definitely glad to see the residential aspect; that is sorely missing from the area, and while m disappointed at the poor design/placement, a increase in residential along the light rail is a great thing.

It is difficult to make out in the rendering but one thing this project should be required to incorporate is Park and Ride for light rail immediately on the southeast corner of Washington and Priest. It should be standard free Park and Ride for light rail users. I have to believe that if such a lot presently existed it would see a lot of use as people coming up from the south on Priest could utilize it as well as people coming from points north like East Phoenix and Scottsdale. I would go so far as to say it would be the most widely used Park and Ride Lot on the entire light rail system with the possible exception of the farthest east lot in Mesa.

[Jjs5056]

Looks like the Hanover project, the one proposed for the parking lot north of W6, got shot down by the Development Review Commission.

Thank you for the update- what happens next? Does the project die or does it get revised? As weak it may have been, it was better than that massive parking lot.

Is the discussion/rationale public?

[exit2lef]

It is difficult to make out in the rendering but one thing this project should be required to incorporate is Park and Ride for light rail immediately on the southeast corner of Washington and Priest. It should be standard free Park and Ride for light rail users. I have to believe that if such a lot presently existed it would see a lot of use as people coming up from the south on Priest could utilize it as well as people coming from points north like East Phoenix and Scottsdale. I would go so far as to say it would be the most widely used Park and Ride Lot on the entire light rail system with the possible exception of the farthest east lot in Mesa.

I agree that a park-and-ride there might see high usage, especially by Scottsdale residents, whose own city government stubbornly resists light rail. In order to give that corner a more urban character, however, any park-and-ride should be a shared use garage rather than a surface lot -- sort of like the park-and-ride at Apache & McClintock.

[PHX31]

Thank you for the update- what happens next? Does the project die or does it get revised? As weak it may have been, it was better than that massive parking lot.

Is the discussion/rationale public?

I think they get a chance to go back and rework their project (try to fix whatever faults the DRC found to please them) and then go back through DRC. However, they may have to completely start the application process over, which would take a bit more time.

[Arquitect]

I think they get a chance to go back and rework their project (try to fix whatever faults the DRC found to please them) and then go back through DRC. However, they may have to completely start the application process over, which would take a bit more time.

Indeed, i am not clear on all the details yet, but from my own experience, they do get a chance to resubmit once they address the issues that were brought up. My guess, and this is that they were asking for too much without really giving the city anything in return. They wanted to decrease the number of required parking spaces (which could be a toll on the city if their guests or residents have to park elsewhere), they wanted to increase the number of units allowed on the lot, and they wanted to decrease the landscaped public space. My speculation is that the city didnt feel like it was getting much in return. Often when cities do big adjustments, they get something in return, such as public space (a park or small plaza). In a way, i am glad the city is being more demanding and not letting itself be steam rolled by developers. Growth has to happen, but smart growth. The city can't think of just the next two years, but instead the next 20, 40, even 50 years. If it is going to change rules and codes, it should only be fir projects that will have a long lasting positive effect on the city, not just mediocre projects. Im not saying that this types of developments shouldn't be built, but if they are, the developer can be less lazy and actualy comply with the existing rules and codes. If they want changes, they have to offer a better product.

[ApacheRedevelopment]

^ Wow, checked out your facebook page and was amazed by how many projects are going on in Tempe. Thank you for that resource.

1) The rendering of the new, less dense version of Gracie's looks great. I still disappointed that the height was cut in half, but the design is still super urban and modern- not what I was expecting. Very similar to the Teralever building on Mill (5th?). Also, disheartening to read some of the comments. I'm not sure why people could ever be against such a great project- great for the neighborhood by transforming a blighted boulevard into a corridor of retail, affordable housing, transit and more. I'm excited to see Apache grow into a pedestrian-friendly, dense extension of downtown- why aren't the residents?
2) Can you tell us more about some of the townhouse projects you've posted, such as the ones on Hayden or the ones on Kenneth? I assume neither is visible from the light rail? Density is great, but it's even better along the actual route. ;)
3) Happy to hear that a food mart is coming to the ground floor of the Domain! That project has to be least favorite of its kind- shitty color scheme, cheap design, too east of a location (if I'm remembering correctly), etc. But, this is fabulous news. Any idea as to what level of service this place might be? Surely, it won't be the size of a Trader Joe's, but I hope it has more of a selection than Circle K. I hope these other apartments are close enough for folks to walk, or that the selection available is worth a rail trip.
4) Can't wait to see the Grove completed. What stinks about some of th Apache development is how segregated each is; these (the Vue and the Grove) will be the first to be built adjacent, so am excited to see how they work each other and to see if this sparks more foot traffic with a continuous strip of retail.
5)The Lofts at Hayden Ferry are far denser than I anticipated; I stll can't but wish that density was more vertical. Land around the lakeis finite, and this is a truly prime spot. Building apartments that are being dwarfed by 8-story condos just doesn't seem like a terrific choice by either the developer or the city. On the positive side, the design is nice and seems to finally putting an end to the blue-glass overload. I do wonder how it will address the street? With so much activity within that development it's a shame how dead Rio Salado is.

Finally, while it's great that we are seeing quality, urban-oriented projects throughout the city, I can't help but be disappointed that the high-rises are all so spread out and a few are even outside downtown's boundaries. Projects like the Grove, the Hub and 8th/Rural are fantastic- but I just wish these were going on lots like Ash/Uni, the kne adjacent to W6, 10/Mill, Forest/Uni and so on. Heck, as I mentioned, even the ladeside development has continually shifted toward lower heights.

In a way, this is purely from an aesthetic standpoint. Having the city's only true skyscrapers miles apart (Rural/8th, the Hub and W6) just isn't visually pleasing, and I hate to see prime lots going to parking structures (Ash/Uni) or 6-story boxes (lot next to W6).

However, a more serious concern is that the downtown core and lake have limited lots left for development. Sure, the lake has a bit more, but sprawling a 4-story apartment co l,ex just doesn't seem like the best longterm plan. Almost everything planned for downtown is 6 or 4 stories, and unless this mini-boom continues, I'm nervous that we won't get more of a critical mass to spur things like a convention center, etc. in the core.

Last comment is that I am also worried about some of the retail that has been coming in recently- Loco Patron in the Gateway building seems to be such a waste. That would've been a great grocery store, bookstore, or something truly special for Tempe given its perfect location. Manwhile, more and more Scottsdale bars are opening - there is one replacing Blondie's, I believe, El Hefe is replacing My Big Fat Greek, and Firehouse is open on University and Mill. I just don't think this is the right approach for Tempe if it wants to grow up and become a truly sophisticated, dense, urban city - which, for all that I know, it does.

I'm done! Sorry for this terribly long message.

Yikes, sorry for the delay. I don’t jump on this forum too often.
1. The Gracies project almost didn’t move forward at all. The neighbors were fighting it for almost a year and levels kept on getting cut. It came down to the neighbors submitting a legal petition, where 6 out of 7 of the members of the commission had to vote it in. It was voted in, but, that was after a lot of fighting.

2. Neither is visible from the light rail, but they are both bringing density to the area. The Hayden project is 3 units that used to be a single family home. The project was approved. The Kenneth project is 8 units and it’s pretty close to the light rail. I haven’t seen the renderings yet.

3. The food mart will be on the ground level of the Domain. As well as a bar that has been delayed multiple times. It won’t be as big as a trader joes or anything like that. going to be a lot like the convenience store that are on campus. Think of a smaller version of Fresh and Easy. They obtained their building permits this months and should start building soon.

4. Having the Grove, Vue, and District all within close proximity will increase foot traffic in the area even more than there is now. Each of these buildings has and will have retail components, so that will drive more foot traffic from the apartments and homes surrounding.

5. The lake still has a lot of room to grow. I’m not sure why the developer is making it so short. It could have to do with the materials that they are using or the amount of financing they can get for it. From the renderings I have seen, it looks like it will be facing Rio Salado and the lake, so the orientation is pretty well.

Tempe has a lot of improvement areas in the 85281 zip code and developers are aiming at getting the cheapest and well placed land and this is creating redeveloping neighborhoods. The most redeveloping areas are the Mill district, Rural just north of Apache and all of Apache.

Working in the real estate research field it looks like the boom is going to continue because the vacancy of Class A apartments (10 years or newer) is very low and the prices are continuing to raise, so more will be built as ASU and Tempe grow. Both work hand in hand with each other.

Im pretty sure that the "Scottsdalification" of Tempe is one that will be short lived. Mill will continue to be a nightlife area, but the bars that are opening up in Tempe from Scottsdale are still gearing towards college students and young professionals. The new country bar that is going in at the corner of 5th and Mill is by the owner of La Bocca, Canteen, and Handlebar and he seems like hes doing a good job at bringing clientele from different parts of the east valley, by building bars of different types.

Sorry for the rambling

http://facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

[exit2lef]

The new country bar that is going in at the corner of 5th and Mill is by the owner of La Bocca, Canteen, and Handlebar and he seems like hes doing a good job at bringing clientele from different parts of the east valley, by building bars of different types.


http://facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment


Is Julian Wright's new place going to be just a bar, or also a place that serves food like all his other businesses on Mill?

[TempeSilverFox]

This was in the AZ Republic today- all about the lack of a grocery store in downtown Phoenix. It is just as true for downtown Tempe. This area is a "Food Desert." There are NO major grocery stores anywhere in the area bounded by Broadway, College, Rio Salado and the 143 freeway (yes- that is still Tempe all the way to the 143!) The article says that a major chain needs about 15,000 residents to support a large store. You can't tell me there aren't at LEAST 15,000 people who live in the area I mentioned above??? Downtown Phoenix has 11,000 people (according to the article...)
Ugh, I live near First and Hardy and I drive all the way to Broadway and Rural to shop at Safeway- OR all the way to Trader Joes at Guadalupe and McClintock (because I love them!) I refuse to shop at the terrible Rollins Market at 5th and Beck. It smells like rancid chicken and attracts an unsavory crowd.
It blows my mind that this area - with its dense, diverse, growing and gentrifying population cannot attract and retain a real place to buy food!?!

Check it out- and here is the link:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2012/11/28/20121128urbanites-hunger-grocery.html#protected

Phoenix's downtown core has undergone an economic and cultural rebirth in the past few years, adding sleek skyscrapers, an outdoor shopping center, restaurants, nightlife and hundreds of new residents.

But one piece of the development puzzle has remained elusive in the city's heart: a big grocery store.

For many urbanites, the lack of a nearby supermarket is a daily hassle -- they moved downtown to avoid commuting but find themselves driving out of the area for food. Their nearest grocer is a Safeway on the north side of Interstate 10, excluding convenience stores selling little if any fresh produce.


"A big goal of a lot of downtowners is to leave their car behind," said Sean Sweat, an urban resident and advocate. "If someone can't even grocery-shop without a car, that's a problem. You need to be able to live, work and play in one place."

Access to fresh foods is so lacking downtown that it has been labeled a "food desert" by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, meaning there's little or no access to nutritious, affordable foods at a grocery store or large market. Restaurants and fast-food joints don't cut it.

Eliminating urban food deserts has become a serious concern for policymakers and U.S. public-health officials, because low-income people and urban dwellers often can't easily buy fruits, vegetables and grains.

Recent attempts to open a supermarket in downtown Phoenix have floundered, with the Oakville Grocery at CityScape and the Phoenix Public Market Urban Grocery and Wine Bar closing in the past year. The markets were the first to open in the neighborhood south of I-10 since the last supermarket closed in 1981.

Oakville, whose owner has faced a long string of financial and legal problems, was forced out by CityScape's developer, RED Development, apparently for not making rent payments. The store, which offered pricey pre-prepared foods and some everyday pantry items, has been replaced by Chloe's Corner, a bustling lunch counter.

It's the second time efforts to open a market in CityScape have failed. An attempt to fill the space with a smaller version of an AJ's Fine Foods fell victim to the recession.

Several months after Oakville's departure, the Public Market, an offshoot of the biweekly farmers market still held at Central Avenue and Pierce Street, closed its doors. Those behind the market said it had faced financial problems and had a narrow appeal, with a smaller selection of local, organic produce and novelties.

"I think we were probably too much of a niche market," said Dan Klocke, board president of the non-profit Community Food Connections, which ran the market. "(A grocery store) has to cater not only to people who live downtown but to people who work downtown."

City officials said perhaps the most challenging hurdle to luring a major grocery store downtown has been population. The logic is simple: Without a large enough customer base, a supermarket cannot thrive, yet the city cannot attract many residents to the area if there aren't adequate services.

"We need more people downtown and the services to go with it," Mayor Greg Stanton said. "I think we're well on our way. We want to change the way people perceive our downtown."

The area has about 11,000 residents, and grocers need roughly 15,000 to sustain a larger store, according to the Downtown Phoenix Partnership, an influential non-profit that focuses on advancing the urban core.

"It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation," said David Roderique, president of the downtown partnership. "The population is not quite there yet, but we're getting there."

In place of a large grocer, several smaller operations are springing up to help satisfy residents hungry for a market. The experiments range from a vegan-only market in the planning stages to a corner market on Roosevelt Row.

Dubbed Bodega 420 (its building number), the market opened last summer in an old home near the center of the city's arts community. Co-owner Adrian Fontes said the corner store aims to appeal to the diverse downtown community with its variety of items including local produce and dairy, dry goods and tobacco products.

Fontes said a market must be unique to succeed downtown, that a traditional chain won't work in denser, urban neighborhoods. He said the bodega aims to capture residents' desire for a locally owned store.

"We're dedicated to keeping our money here," Fontes said. "Novelty stuff is fun, but our focus is getting people food that's affordable."



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2012/11/28/20121128urbanites-hunger-grocery.html#protected#ixzz2DiOtPG8k

[MegaBass]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/61465_393679574042349_1056787443_n.jpg

Sun Devil Fitness Complex expansion November aerials (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.393679540709019.89138.125963537480622&type=1)

[ApacheRedevelopment]

Is Julian Wright's new place going to be just a bar, or also a place that serves food like all his other businesses on Mill?

Its going to serve food also, like the rest of his places

[MegaBass]

Its going to serve food also, like the rest of his places

Hopefully doesn't end up like his Library Bar and Grill venture on that same location.

[ASUSunDevil]

Hopefully doesn't end up like his Library Bar and Grill venture on that same location.

Hopefully it ends up like Canteen, La Bocca or Handlebars which are all great.

[exit2lef]

Hopefully it ends up like Canteen, La Bocca or Handlebars which are all great.

Agreed. I wasn't a fan of the earlier businesses, but in the past few years, Fork & Dagger (Wright's company) really seems to be getting things right with its Mill Avenue ventures.

[Land Arch Student]

Over the summer I remember hearing about a grocer called "Milk and Honey" supposed to open up in the retail portion of the West 6th Towers. Does anyone know of the status of that proposal? I remember seeing on the Mill Ave. District list serve that the grocer was set to open but I haven't heard or seen anything since. A grocery store at W6 would be nice if the Hanover ever gets approved.

[Spitfiredude]

If you walk by the plaza below the town homes of W6 they have a sign posted for the business. It is suppose to open by January according to a leasing agent. According to him it is more of a convenience store. He said they will have a small selection of produce. He basically described it as a POD store at ASU with alcohol lol.:banana:

[Jjs5056]

It's hard to see from the street- how many retail spaces are there in W6, and how many of them are filled?

I still would like to see retail on the south portion of the Hanover lot facing W6. I think that would help draw more people to that area and make use of the small plaza. As it stands now, I can't imagine the retail seeing much foot traffic given the lack of visibility and the fact that it's a deadzone based on the poor design of Ash (leaving it to be a wasteland of lots and garages) and sea f parking lots in the immediate vicinity.

On a much less important note, I'm still holding onto hope that the Hanover project will grow vertically and that the eventual development of Ash and Uni is tall, so that the structures give the W6 pool a bit more privacy. I find the fact that you can see the pool and TV from University and the 202 very awkward.

[PhxER]

I got an email from ASU telling me that the Design Annex (the building on the northwest corner of 7th street and College) needs to be cleaned out by December 12th because they are going to start construction on December 13th.

[Arquitect]

I got an email from ASU telling me that the Design Annex (the building on the northwest corner of 7th street and College) needs to be cleaned out by December 12th because they are going to start construction on December 13th.

Indeed. It will be mostly demo and prep work. The actual construction is supposed to start early next year.

[plinko]

^What are they doing with that building? (sorry if I missed it somewhere in here)

[MegaBass]

New Block 12 project plan expands ASU Tempe campus northward (https://asunews.asu.edu/20121004_ASU_Block12)

I also saw some renderings for Block 12 along College and 7th Street. Looks like an interesting project.

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q599/TempeSilverFox/IMAG0018_zps215dcbaa.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q599/TempeSilverFox/IMAG0017_zps75ad2c61.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q599/TempeSilverFox/IMAG0016_zps59e4cbf2.jpg


^What are they doing with that building? (sorry if I missed it somewhere in here)

Here you go.

[Land Arch Student]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8504/8253660222_28eeff59c5_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8080/8253660090_9e23eed512_b.jpg

Here are some photos of The District going up on Apache. It seems to be coming along quite quickly. I think it will be a nice compliment to the Vue (or 922 place). Both have horrible names.

Gracie's Village is set to be completed by fall 2013. That seems really fast! It'll be great for Apache to have all this new height completed at the same time.

[Arquitect]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8504/8253660222_28eeff59c5_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8080/8253660090_9e23eed512_b.jpg

Here are some photos of The District going up on Apache. It seems to be coming along quite quickly. I think it will be a nice compliment to the Vue (or 922 place). Both have horrible names.

Gracie's Village is set to be completed by fall 2013. That seems really fast! It'll be great for Apache to have all this new height completed at the same time.

The building across from the district is also set to begin next year. Apache is gaining some great density. I really love the courtyards in the district building. They feel really great. The only downfall is that it wont have any retail space.

[Jjs5056]

According to its website, The District will indeed have retail space - have you heard otherwise?

[Arquitect]

According to its website, The District will indeed have retail space - have you heard otherwise?

Unless i am wrong, the retail area facing apache will be for their leasing office. There is also a gym with a yoga studio loft above it, but i think it is only open to its residents. The eastern most corner of the project will have parking. But, i think that it is planned that it will eventualy be replaced by retail. I might be wrong though.

[savphili]

Does anyone know, or know how to find out the developer and contractor's of the following projects?

1. 5th Street West
2. Farmer Avenue Lofts
3. 675 South
4. Skye 15

Thank you so much,

p.s. I'm new to the community! My name is Steve. Hello everyone :)

p.s.s. I had the pleasure of checking out a few listings at Bridgeview and took a picture of the gaping hole where the new Hayden Ferry Lofts will be.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c319/sav_phili/IMG_6740.jpg

[dtnphx]

Welcome to the forum. Anyone who uses the term gaping hole is alright by me.

[Vicelord John]

gaping hole

[ciweiss]

http://azbex.com/hanover-plans-luxury-tempe-apartments-at-centerpoint/

Original source: Business Real Estate Weekly of Arizona
A 341-unit luxury apartment is planned by The Hanover Co., Houston, Tex., on a 2.8 acre parcel adjoining the Centerpoint West Sixth towers. The 22 and 30 story buildings claim some of the highest rents in the Valley, a fact attracting Hanover to seek zoning approval.
The council has final action scheduled for January 10. If approved, Hanover will buy the property, on the corner of Maple Ave. and Fifth St., Tempe, for nearly $10M ($3.6M/acre) before the end of February and start construction by mid-summer.
Wallace Garcia Wilson Architects, Houston, is designing the six story luxury complex. According to Eric Kenney at The Hanover Co.’s local office, the site is already approved for towers. The Hanover Co. has completely redesigned the community to a lower elevation. An elaborate collection of resident amenities are planned for the structure. The developer will be the general contractor for the project. “We essentially started over from the ground up,” he said.
DMB & Associates, the original developer of Centerpoint, is the seller. Cassidy Turley handled the transaction for the parties. Hanover developed the Lodge at Arrowhead Town Center in 2001 and is known for its posh residential developments.
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[MegaBass]

I noticed Cactus Sports is going to have a new location near Sparky's Old Town Creamery. Red Mango and Cookiez have closed. Surprised it's been awhile since the old Unos location was occupied. Any word on the My Big Fat Greek Restaurant location?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8-gjD1CYAAyaKg.jpg

Per Urban Realty (https://twitter.com/UrbanRealty/status/274614626468126721/photo/1): Kitchen, Lounge & Patio coming to 6th & Mill from the folks at former Chronic Cantina. New concept that includes both the old space and a new 2 story on what was formerly Cutie's and loading zone parking space.

[Jsmscaleros]

^^^^ Chronic Tacos is closed? Man, I'm coming home to visit after being gone 10 months and downtown Tempe is seeming like it's going to be a totally new place with all these new projects and changeovers happening.

[exit2lef]

I noticed Cactus Sports is going to have a new location near Sparky's Old Town Creamery. Red Mango and Cookiez have closed. Surprised it's been awhile since the old Unos location was occupied. Any word on the My Big Fat Greek Restaurant location?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8-gjD1CYAAyaKg.jpg

Per Urban Realty (https://twitter.com/UrbanRealty/status/274614626468126721/photo/1): Kitchen, Lounge & Patio coming to 6th & Mill from the folks at former Chronic Cantina. New concept that includes both the old space and a new 2 story on what was formerly Cutie's and loading zone parking space.

I'm trying to figure out the construction on the Sixth Street cul-de-sac. Is Hippie Gyspy going away, or is the restaurant going to use just the patio where Cutie's was?

I think the former Big Fat Greek location is going to be a second outlet of a place that already exists in Old Town Scottsdale. I can't remember the name right now.

[Tito714]

I think the former Big Fat Greek location is going to be a second outlet of a place that already exists in Old Town Scottsdale. I can't remember the name right now.

El Hefe

[MegaBass]

^^^^ Chronic Tacos is closed? Man, I'm coming home to visit after being gone 10 months and downtown Tempe is seeming like it's going to be a totally new place with all these new projects and changeovers happening.

Yeah going on their third concept now.

I'm trying to figure out the construction on the Sixth Street cul-de-sac. Is Hippie Gyspy going away, or is the restaurant going to use just the patio where Cutie's was?

I think the former Big Fat Greek location is going to be a second outlet of a place that already exists in Old Town Scottsdale. I can't remember the name right now.

Yeah just going to be a patio where Cutie's was. I'm surprised Munchies Cafe and Slices are okay with this odd project.

I think you're referring to Loco Patron which is still under construction at Tempe Gateway.

Ash Avenue Comics & Books is Moving into Wet Paint's Former Location in Tempe by January 1. (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/2012/12/ash_ave_comics_tempe_wet_paint_moving.php)

[alexico]

It's hard to see from the street- how many retail spaces are there in W6, and how many of them are filled?

I still would like to see retail on the south portion of the Hanover lot facing W6. I think that would help draw more people to that area and make use of the small plaza. As it stands now, I can't imagine the retail seeing much foot traffic given the lack of visibility and the fact that it's a deadzone based on the poor design of Ash (leaving it to be a wasteland of lots and garages) and sea f parking lots in the immediate vicinity.

On a much less important note, I'm still holding onto hope that the Hanover project will grow vertically and that the eventual development of Ash and Uni is tall, so that the structures give the W6 pool a bit more privacy. I find the fact that you can see the pool and TV from University and the 202 very awkward.

I live at W6 and yes there is a space for a salon (the salon seems to take up a lot of room actually) there is a sign for milk and honey up too. nothing ground breaking. Im not certain how it is going to be.

again I do not get how a Fresh and Easy downtown tempe and downtown phx would not clean house.

I have a feeling Milk and Honey is going to be like Oakville (high end, unique items) I typically walk to CVS for household items etc

[Jjs5056]

Am I reading correctly that the Hanover project was originally denied because it was too TALL? The article above mentions that they are shortening the elevation. Wtf? This lot is zoned for towers as tall as 300' and we can't even get a 6-story building?

I was hoping that a redesign would include things like ADDING height, additional interaction with the street through walkups/retail/etc., a small plaza to complement W6's.... Never thought it would be sent back and shortened.

Speaking of height - any news on larger projects, like Namwest (northeast portion of Town Lake) or the senior living tower at SouthBank? The former had a zoning sign up recently.

Lastly, I hate that damn Loco Patron. That corner could've really housed a signature place fir downtown given its prime location. Anything would have been better, but even something as simple as a bookstore with a cafe spilling onto a patio would have been great. Sigh.

I miss the days of non-food/bar retail on Mill. The uses now are just so lopsided and serve to keep it as a college town strip, rather than a vibrant ahd diverse downtown. You could never buy groceries, but you could at least get an outfit, furniture/decor for your home and/or catch a movie at Harkins.

[Freeway]

again I do not get how a Fresh and Easy downtown tempe and downtown phx would not clean house.

Fresh & Easy is going out of business. That's why.

[Arquitect]

Am I reading correctly that the Hanover project was originally denied because it was too TALL? The article above mentions that they are shortening the elevation. Wtf? This lot is zoned for towers as tall as 300' and we can't even get a 6-story building?

I was hoping that a redesign would include things like ADDING height, additional interaction with the street through walkups/retail/etc., a small plaza to complement W6's.... Never thought it would be sent back and shortened.

Speaking of height - any news on larger projects, like Namwest (northeast portion of Town Lake) or the senior living tower at SouthBank? The former had a zoning sign up recently.

Lastly, I hate that damn Loco Patron. That corner could've really housed a signature place fir downtown given its prime location. Anything would have been better, but even something as simple as a bookstore with a cafe spilling onto a patio would have been great. Sigh.

I miss the days of non-food/bar retail on Mill. The uses now are just so lopsided and serve to keep it as a college town strip, rather than a vibrant ahd diverse downtown. You could never buy groceries, but you could at least get an outfit, furniture/decor for your home and/or catch a movie at Harkins.

Where did you read that? Can you share? I think that would be a horrible reason to send the project back.

And I completely agree on how narrow the target audience for mill has become. It is sad. I started laughing today when I walked past the new laser tattoo removal place. And Im also not thrilled about the Scottsdalization of it.One or two bars are ok, but now it is getting ridiculous how many replicas there are. It will probably end up biting them in the butt, since it usually is ASU students that go to their bars in Scottsdale, and if they all end up on Mill, one of the branches will end up failing.

Hopefully getting some more permanent residents in the area will help curve Downtown back into a broader range of retail targets. Here is keeping my fingers crossed to see some of those lake side developments begin to break ground.

[nickw252]

Fresh & Easy is going out of business. That's why.

Technically that's not correct. It's true that its parent company, Tesco, is looking to exit the US market, but as far as I know that doesn't mean they are closing existing Fresh and Easy locations. I heard they are looking for a buyer of the existing stores. Walmart has actually been mentioned as a potential buyer. Ugh

[Jjs5056]

Wallace Garcia Wilson Architects, Houston, is designing the six story luxury complex. According to Eric Kenney at The Hanover Co.’s local office, the site is already approved for towers. The Hanover Co. has completely redesigned the community to a lower elevation. An elaborate collection of resident amenities are planned for the structure. The developer will be the general contractor for the project. “We essentially started over from the ground up,” he said.


Arquitect - this is the article I was referring to. I think I misunderstood some of the quotes, however. My original interpretation was that they've "started over from the ground up" since the plans were denied, and cut some of the height: "redesigned the community to a lower elevation." They still refer to it being six stories, though, so on second thought, I suppose they are saying that they are "starting over" from the previous Centerpoint 3 and 4 towers that were planned there? Doesn't seem like that would make sense, though, since they are a new development team? Sigh. Either way, this project is likely going to suck and will erase one of the last remaining lots with the potential to give Tempe a balanced skyline.

[exit2lef]

El Hefe

Thanks.



I think you're referring to Loco Patron which is still under construction at Tempe Gateway.


No, I was thinking of El Hefe, which Tito reminded me of. That Loco Patron place is taking forever to arrive, though.


again I do not get how a Fresh and Easy downtown tempe and downtown phx would not clean house.



From what I've heard, some of the more centrally located F&E stores have been moderately successful, but Tesco bet heavily on exurban growth in its initial site selection. That left the company vulnerable when the real estate crash was occurring just as F&E launched. In addition, Tesco didn't seem to realize that families living in outer suburbs are used to long drives and often shop in bulk. An F&E store works better for small households that like to shop close to home and are willing to do so a few times a week.

[MegaBass]

Thanks.



No, I was thinking of El Hefe, which Tito reminded me of. That Loco Patron place is taking forever to arrive, though.



From what I've heard, some of the more centrally located F&E stores have been moderately successful, but Tesco bet heavily on exurban growth in its initial site selection. That left the company vulnerable when the real estate crash was occurring just as F&E launched. In addition, Tesco didn't seem to realize that families living in outer suburbs are used to long drives and often shop in bulk. An F&E store works better for small households that like to shop close to home and are willing to do so a few times a week.

Hmm El Hefe looks similar to the concept of Canteen. Plus Loco Patron is way too close to Macayo's and Fuzzy's Taco Shop. I wish Mill Avenue would be a little more receptive in not having a huge slew of restaurants with concepts that already exist. Otherwise we see examples of Red Mango (froyo), Cookiez (dessert), Blondie's Sports Bar (bar) and Blondie's (hot dogs) close.

[alexico]

Fresh & Easy is going out of business. That's why.

very sad :(

I love those stores

[phxSUNSfan]

And I completely agree on how narrow the target audience for mill has become. It is sad. I started laughing today when I walked past the new laser tattoo removal place. And Im also not thrilled about the Scottsdalization of it.One or two bars are ok, but now it is getting ridiculous how many replicas there are. It will probably end up biting them in the butt, since it usually is ASU students that go to their bars in Scottsdale, and if they all end up on Mill, one of the branches will end up failing.

You might be onto something here; because of the new apartments and condos being built in Old Town Scottsdale, residents are starting to fight new bars and nightclubs...so many owners might be looking to Mill Ave as a new base for their bars/nightclubs. I had a friend renting a condo near Scottsdale Rd and a lot of new residents are getting fed up with the crowds that cause issues into the early morning hours. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing for Tempe.

There will be a mix of offerings, unique places along with the "Scottsdale" crowd would keep Mill Ave extremely busy. I've noticed older folks (40 and up) starting to go to the breweries more now as well. The good thing about Mill Ave is that new residential buildings are built away from the street which means that resident complaints about noise is a non-issue. Streets like Ash and College will likely be the residential base for the district, keeping Mill a vibrant place where noise is to be expected. I just wish there were more places with live music. I remember reading about an old club where local musicians would go to play but that building was razed in like 2007 or 2008.

[Spitfiredude]

You might be onto something here; because of the new apartments and condos being built in Old Town Scottsdale, residents are starting to fight new bars and nightclubs...so many owners might be looking to Mill Ave as a new base for their bars/nightclubs. I had a friend renting a condo near Scottsdale Rd and a lot of new residents are getting fed up with the crowds that cause issues into the early morning hours. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing for Tempe.

There will be a mix of offerings, unique places along with the "Scottsdale" crowd would keep Mill Ave extremely busy. I've noticed older folks (40 and up) starting to go to the breweries more now as well. The good thing about Mill Ave is that new residential buildings are built away from the street which means that resident complaints about noise is a non-issue. Streets like Ash and College will likely be the residential base for the district, keeping Mill a vibrant place where noise is to be expected. I just wish there were more places with live music. I remember reading about an old club where local musicians would go to play but that building was razed in like 2007 or 2008.

I would totally agree with you, but I will not since Scottsdale is currently constructing the new entertainment complex where Myst & Suede used to be (and addition of 6+ bars/clubs). There are plans and current developments in Scottsdale that are trying to add even more bars. Triyar Ent seems to be the prime developer/investor. I think some of the Scottsdale clubs are coming to Mill because they know they can provide a market in both cities. We see bars such as El Hefe & Firehouse come to Tempe because they're more of a college type of bar. I feel these owners know they will have more success in Tempe or additional success in Tempe. You won't see a club like Axis/Radius come to Tempe because its not as thrashy like a college club-its a pure Scottsdale club. Although, I think a club like Axis/Radius at Mill & 7th street would produce good results and help diversify the areas clubs and options. I do see that Mill is trying to diversify their clubs (the new country one where Blondie's was). That is good:) . It would be nice to see a full grocery store and maybe some more shopping options though. A small theater would be nice too. Also, I think 6th street & 5th street are going to soon see more development and you will begin to see these vacancies decline.

[phxSUNSfan]

I would totally agree with you, but I will not since Scottsdale is currently constructing the new entertainment complex where Myst & Suede used to be (and addition of 6+ bars/clubs). There are plans and current developments in Scottsdale that are trying to add even more bars. Triyar Ent seems to be the prime developer/investor. I think some of the Scottsdale clubs are coming to Mill because they know they can provide a market in both cities. We see bars such as El Hefe & Firehouse come to Tempe because they're more of a college type of bar. I feel these owners know they will have more success in Tempe or additional success in Tempe. You won't see a club like Axis/Radius come to Tempe because its not as thrashy like a college club-its a pure Scottsdale club. Although, I think a club like Axis/Radius at Mill & 7th street would produce good results and help diversify the areas clubs and options. I do see that Mill is trying to diversify their clubs (the new country one where Blondie's was). That is good:) . It would be nice to see a full grocery store and maybe some more shopping options though. A small theater would be nice too. Also, I think 6th street & 5th street are going to soon see more development and you will begin to see these vacancies decline.

That is true, but a fight has been brewing for years in Scottsdale with residents and the planning commission. The new development you speak of was "grandfathered" in because of existing zoning laws...but as more and more residents move in along Scottsdale Rd look for things to change and for things to "calm down". Scottsdale also adopted a new, strict noise ordinance in 2011 that may eventually force clubs to close...here is a news report about the issue from last year.

http://www.bing.com/videos/browse?mkt=en-us&vid=d87213bc-524e-47a5-ad35-9874236f6671&from=sharepermalink&src=v5:share:sharepermalink:&from=dest_en-us

[Spitfiredude]

Yeah, kind of upsetting because I like Scottsdale's clubs a lot. That entire district is pretty awesome. Interestingly enough, Mill Ave District & COT has also passed noise ordinances and will be passing further ones for Mill Ave. No more amplified music, panhandlers are next! :banana:

[ciweiss]

Hmm El Hefe looks similar to the concept of Canteen. Plus Loco Patron is way too close to Macayo's and Fuzzy's Taco Shop. I wish Mill Avenue would be a little more receptive in not having a huge slew of restaurants with concepts that already exist. Otherwise we see examples of Red Mango (froyo), Cookiez (dessert), Blondie's Sports Bar (bar) and Blondie's (hot dogs) close.

So let me get this straight - Macayo's, Fuzzy's, Local Patron, Restaurant Mexico, El Hefe's, Canteen..... seriously?... what this area really needs is a couple more Mexican restaurants... I kid. I really hope there is more variety coming down the pipe.

[phxSUNSfan]

Yeah, kind of upsetting because I like Scottsdale's clubs a lot. That entire district is pretty awesome. Interestingly enough, Mill Ave District & COT has also passed noise ordinances and will be passing further ones for Mill Ave. No more amplified music, panhandlers are next! :banana:

I don't mind panhandlers, they don't really bother me if they aren't aggressive; I probably have a little more tolerance having grown up in regions with real homeless problems...it seems ridiculous to complain about it here relatively speaking. The noise ordinance for Tempe and Mill Ave is different than the ordinances in Scottsdale; amplified music will need a permit from Tempe (e.g. outdoor concerts and performances). However, they aren't restricting noise from nightclubs.

There does seem to be a fill of Mexican restaurants but we are in the Southwest so it is to be expected...however, I would like something different altogether and something more than restaurants.

[exit2lef]

I don't mind panhandlers, they don't really bother me if they aren't aggressive; I probably have a little more tolerance having grown up in regions with real homeless problems...it seems ridiculous to complain about it here relatively speaking. The noise ordinance for Tempe and Mill Ave is different than the ordinances in Scottsdale; amplified music will need a permit from Tempe (e.g. outdoor concerts and performances). However, they aren't restricting noise from nightclubs.

There does seem to be a fill of Mexican restaurants but we are in the Southwest so it is to be expected...however, I would like something different altogether and something more than restaurants.

The panhandlers on Mill are generally passive. Pass them by and that's the end of it. In Old Town Scottsdale, however, I've been subject to panhandling so aggressive that I felt I had to find a different route back to my car later in the evening.

I agree that Mill does need more variety both in terms of types of food and types of businesses.

[phxSUNSfan]

The panhandlers on Mill are generally passive. Pass them by and that's the end of it. In Old Town Scottsdale, however, I've been subject to panhandling so aggressive that I felt I had to find a different route back to my car later in the evening.

I agree that Mill does need more variety both in terms of types of food and types of businesses.

That's interesting, I have NEVER seen a panhandler in Old Town Scottsdale...I thought there was an ordinance against it in Scottsdale.

More information was released today about Sun Devil Stadium. Renovations would start after the 2013 season and depending on the level of renovation, could end in 2015/2016. If they just do structural upgrades and a facelift, it would cost $90 million but the stadium capacity would remain. I am leaning toward that route; I don't think they should take out 5,000-9,000 seats or add that awful canopy.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/20121214asu-stadium-face-lift-may-last-year.html

[MegaBass]

That's interesting, I have NEVER seen a panhandler in Old Town Scottsdale...I thought there was an ordinance against it in Scottsdale.

More information was released today about Sun Devil Stadium. Renovations would start after the 2013 season and depending on the level of renovation, could end in 2015/2016. If they just do structural upgrades and a facelift, it would cost $90 million but the stadium capacity would remain. I am leaning toward that route; I don't think they should take out 5,000-9,000 seats or add that awful canopy.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/20121214asu-stadium-face-lift-may-last-year.html

Well isn't the awful canopy their solution to day game naysayers? Day games flexibility is part of the PAC12 tv agreement. If they except to compete with rest of the conference which all but LA Coliseum and Autzen either has gone under renovations or expansions in the last decade.

[Arquitect]

Well isn't the awful canopy their solution to day game naysayers? Day games flexibility is part of the PAC12 tv agreement. If they except to compete with rest of the conference which all but LA Coliseum and Autzen either has gone under renovations or expansions in the last decade.

If done right, the canopy could look quite nice. The first renderings of it looked hideous, but the second version that came out with the Rio Salado EcoDistrict was much more elegant and, I believe, would make the stadium a lot nicer. Not all stadium roofs are ugly, the ones being explored by Qatar for their stadiums for the 2022 World Cup or the ones by Frei Otto for the Munich Olympics are great examples of how a roof can actually be a beautiful architectural element that can be iconic and functional.

[MegaBass]

If done right, the canopy could look quite nice. The first renderings of it looked hideous, but the second version that came out with the Rio Salado EcoDistrict was much more elegant and, I believe, would make the stadium a lot nicer. Not all stadium roofs are ugly, the ones being explored by Qatar for their stadiums for the 2022 World Cup or the ones by Frei Otto for the Munich Olympics are great examples of how a roof can actually be a beautiful architectural element that can be iconic and functional.

I think that Rio Salado EcoDistrict rendering has been around for awhile. I've seen it before Patterson's hiring.

From reading that article sounds like the golf is staying on or near campus. It would be a big deal for the programs. I wonder what will happen with the baseball program whether they end up at Phoenix Muni. I've heard Wells Fargo Arena is either will be replaced or they'll reduce seat capacity. I would also guess that with the recent demolition of Alpha Drive has the University and Athletics revising the District plan.

Speaking of ASU sporting venues...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/b581223ed85e120c045a05508c2917ca/tumblr_mevqd8s0RH1rgwu7oo1_500.jpg

Phoenix FC Stadium Rendering; club partners with Univision to reach Hispanic audience (http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/odeendomingofc/2012/12/11/phoenix-fc-stadium-rendering-club-partners-with-univision-to-reach-hispanic-audience/)

Any word on Block 12 construction?

[phxSUNSfan]

If done right, the canopy could look quite nice. The first renderings of it looked hideous, but the second version that came out with the Rio Salado EcoDistrict was much more elegant and, I believe, would make the stadium a lot nicer. Not all stadium roofs are ugly, the ones being explored by Qatar for their stadiums for the 2022 World Cup or the ones by Frei Otto for the Munich Olympics are great examples of how a roof can actually be a beautiful architectural element that can be iconic and functional.

Agreed...I just don't like that maxi pad with wings look of the original rendering. And that original rendering is what is still being displayed everywhere and it is hideous. Some nice canopies and shade structures exist for sure, and I hope it is a partial canopy to allow the open air feel to remain.

Love the Sun Devil Soccer Stadium rendering...I think the partnership with Phoenix FC is an excellent endeavor. Wells Fargo Arena needs a facelift as well, but reducing capacity to one of the smaller PAC-12 venues would be shortsighted.

[MegaBass]

Found this on ASU's CFO site:

The University is offering six acres at the southeast corner of Mill Ave & University Drive to be developed as a hotel and conference center facility. (doc download (http://www.asu.edu/purchasing/bids/documents/RFP091302Hotel_ConferenceCtr_102212.docx))

[Arquitect]

Found this on ASU's CFO site:

This is great. That is such an important corner.

[ASUSunDevil]

Found this on ASU's CFO site:

That is brilliant. Wonder if Chili's will get demo'd?