315 Chapel St [All Saints Church] | 33m | 9fl | Proposed

[rocketphish]

All Saints Developments Inc. is proposing to redevelop and repurpose 315 Chapel Street to accommodate a mix of uses that retain the historical presence of the All Saints Anglican Church and that complement the surrounding character and community of Sandy Hill.

The proposal is to be based on the following mixed-use program:
• improved green space along Laurier Avenue E.;
• four levels of underground vehicle and bicycle parking accessed from Blackburn Avenue;
• ground floor instructional facility (yoga/dance studio) or museum, two ground floor retail tenants, casual fine-dining restaurant (shown in P1 and Ground Floor on the concept plans since it functions as a half-basement within the existing church), event hall (existing church), and multilevel café and gallery;
• civil society offices and community space on floors two to four; and,
• residential or hotel units on floors five to nine.

The proposal has two main components; the first being the repurposing of the church, and the second being the eventual redevelopment of the east portion of the site. The first component proposes the conserved church be repurposed to accommodate a casual fine-dining restaurant on the ground floor (functions as a half basement) and an event hall on the second floor (functions as a ground floor due to the half-basement).

The second component relates to the development of a 9-storey building to accommodate a mix of uses that include, below-grade parking, two retail tenants, multi-level café and gallery, an atrium space for café seating, an instructional facility (yoga/dance studio) or museum, office space, community space, and 58 residential dwelling units or hotel units. The eventual construction of the new building will be located to the east of the church, and will replace Bate Hall, which previously served as an assembly hall.

Development application:
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__AK0ALE

Streetview:
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Site:

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Cross-section:

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[rocketphish]

:previous: Wow, quite a few similarities to the St. Charles Church redevelopment on Beechwood. In a good way.

[Norman Bates]

I've been in that chuch's basement before. I like the idea being proposed. Not sure about the building, though.

[ServiceGuy]

I am not sure what the advantage is to connect to the church. It seems more like a stand alone type building to me.

[Harley613]

I'm sure the Sandy Hill Community Association are sharpening their pitchforks to very fine points. Not for any logical reason, the development looks great. They do it for the thrill.

[Arcologist]

This seems like a very reasonable proposal. Well-proportioned and mindful of its surroundings.

Two thumbs up.

[Proof Sheet]

I'm sure the Sandy Hill Community Association are sharpening their pitchforks to very fine points. Not for any logical reason, the development looks great. They do it for the thrill.

Surprisingly no. Although the height of it and its proximity to their beloved Avenue of Prime Ministers would make you think so. Have a look at the attendance at events there and the gushing praise of the existing facility by members of ASH.

[Uhuniau]

I know tis the way of the world, but some of these old church halls and manses, we are going to miss as they make way for inevitable re-purposing and redevelopment.

[Proof Sheet]

I know tis the way of the world, but some of these old church halls and manses, we are going to miss as they make way for inevitable re-purposing and redevelopment.

Agreed. That and the re-purposing of old one room schoolhouses.

[cpa4s]

inclined to agree.

I hope the casual fine dinning pan's out as there is a need for something other than fast or late night food for students.


This seems like a very reasonable proposal. Well-proportioned and mindful of its surroundings.

Two thumbs up.

[rocketphish]

All Saints redevelopment in Sandy Hill gets green light from committee

By: David Sali, OBJ
Published: Feb 27, 2018 3:51pm EST

A multimillion-dollar proposal to build a nine-storey mixed-use development next to the former All Saints Anglican Church in Sandy Hill is a big step closer to reality after the city’s planning committee gave the project the go-ahead on Tuesday.

Full council still must approve the plan, which calls for the church building at 315 Chapel St. to be maintained as a public meeting place and a new mid-rise residential complex or hotel to be built next door on the current site of the Bate Hall assembly space, which would be demolished. Unlike All Saints, which held its last service in 2014, Bate Hall does not have heritage designation.

According to a development proposal filed with the city, the historic former house of worship – which was completed in 1900 and hosted a royal wedding and the state funeral of former prime minister Sir Robert Borden – would be converted into a restaurant on the main floor and an event hall on the second floor.

The new nine-storey structure on the former site of Bate Hall would be used for commercial purposes such as retail, office or restaurant space on the lower floors and would feature either about 60 residential units on the top five floors or a hotel with 80 to 100 suites. The complex would include 90 underground parking spaces on four levels with an entrance on Blackburn Avenue.

The current community plan caps building heights in the neighbourhood at four storeys, requiring rezoning approval for the project.

“Re-purposing the church will help to preserve its established significance as a heritage building,” the application filed with the city said. “Together, the re-purposing and development of the new building will respect and enhance the existing and desired character throughout Sandy Hill.”

Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury, who represents the ward, voiced his support for the proposal in a staff report to the committee.

“This application has taken an innovative approach to preserving and energizing an important heritage asset in our community,” he said.

“Pursuing smart growth in older established neighbourhoods is essential, and we welcome projects that are developed with those community goals in mind.”

A group of local residents backed by investors from Ottawa and Alberta purchased the property in 2015 for $1.5 million with the goal of turning the former church and the adjoining land into a community hub.

The group, called Save our Saints, held a pair of public meetings in late 2016 and early 2017 to gauge public support before the development application was submitted and hosted an open house in early January where it presented its plans.

“Our vision is to create a vibrant urban space that will serve residents and tourists alike,” Save our Saints leader Leanne Moussa told the media in 2015.

According to the city staff report submitted to the planning committee, about 80 residents submitted comments on the proposal, with about half supporting it and half opposed. The most common concerns were fears of increased traffic, the height of the proposed new nine-storey tower, its design and the lack of specific details on the residential component of the complex.

http://www.obj.ca/article/all-saints-redevelopment-sandy-hill-gets-green-light-committee

[kwoldtimer]

Is it unusual that a proposed project would get to this stage without clarity on whether it will be a hotel or an apartment building?

[Uhuniau]

ZOMG NINE STOREYS!?!!?!?

This is like Sandy Hill's 9/11, no?

[JHikka]

ZOMG NINE STOREYS!?!!?!?

This is like Sandy Hill's 9/11, no?

The site is practically surrounded by taller buildings.

[Proof Sheet]

Is it unusual that a proposed project would get to this stage without clarity on whether it will be a hotel or an apartment building?

Agreed. I have never ever seen Action Sandy Hill be so supportive of a project that needed an Official Plan Amendment and a Zoning Amendment and with so many loose ends still left out there. They have opposed almost all height increases and I'm surprised that they didn't find that the great aunt of a shadow cabinet minister once worshipped at this church for a six month period in 1902 and therefore it should be preserved forever.

[Uhuniau]

The site is practically surrounded by taller buildings.

Yes, that is the joke.

[Jayday23]

application withdrawn.

http://ottwatch.ca/devapps/D01-01-17-0009

[kwoldtimer]

Too bad.

[Proof Sheet]

application withdrawn.

http://ottwatch.ca/devapps/D01-01-17-0009

That withdrawl was from 2018.

I have never seen an application in Sandy Hill get such gushing support from the local community association. It seemed very fishy especially as many of the end uses were still up in the air. Usually the local people and Community Association want a property owner to commit right down to the colour of the shutters before they will agree to not object.

[J.OT13]

Windmill to build nine-storey condo at former All Saints church site

David Sali, OBJ
June 19, 2023

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Ottawa's Windmill Development Group plans to build a nine-storey condo next to the former All Saints Anglican Church in Sandy Hill.

Windmill Development Group says it’s working on a proposal that would see a nine-storey condominium with about 100 units constructed next to the 123-year-old church on Chapel Street.

https://obj.ca/windmill-to-build-nine-storey-condo/

[SL123]

Apparently Linebox is working on this with Windmill!

[Harley613]

I'm so curious to see what pointless bullshit Action Sandy Hill will come up with to fight this perfectly sensible looking development. A bird's nest maybe? Traffic? Out of scale with something or another?

[cpa4s]

Lets hope the designs do not morph the way the original Rideau/Chapel changed going from something original and beautiful to a dog of a plain tower.

[J.OT13]

Lets hope the designs do not morph the way the original Rideau/Chapel changed going from something original and beautiful to a dog of a plain tower.

With Windmill and Linebox, I'm pretty confident this will end up looking decent. Neither are known for bait-and-switch.

[YukonLlama]

Wow, did not know this was still in the works. Looks like a solid application that will add much needed amenities+residential to the area,but I will selfishly miss the old patio layout that's there. One of the few nicer spots for a quaint evening in Ottawa.

[cpa4s]

If the lower level of the church stays as a food outlet, it doesn’t look like there is anything to stop them from keeping that patio as the trees etc are supposed to stay and there is no other hardscape showing up for that area in the renderings. So- crossed fingers this makes it through the new interest rate regimes and that Sandy Hill doesn’t drop it’s initial support.


Wow, did not know this was still in the works. Looks like a solid application that will add much needed amenities+residential to the area,but I will selfishly miss the old patio layout that's there. One of the few nicer spots for a quaint evening in Ottawa.

[SL123]

If the lower level of the church stays as a food outlet, it doesn’t look like there is anything to stop them from keeping that patio as the trees etc are supposed to stay and there is no other hardscape showing up for that area in the renderings. So- crossed fingers this makes it through the new interest rate regimes and that Sandy Hill doesn’t drop it’s initial support.

I dont think this development impact the Patio at all. the Patio iis directly next to the church and this dev is behind the church

[YukonLlama]

I dont think this development impact the Patio at all. the Patio iis directly next to the church and this dev is behind the church

Awesome; we need to keep/develop more little gems like this. :notacrook:

[YIMBY]

Interesting note: according to Linebox's Instagram, this one is planned to be a timber framed/ CLT building. We haven't seen anything done in wood on this scale in Ottawa.

Dream and Linebox really are pushing the envelope in terms of development in Ottawa, maybe nothing too special for Toronto or Montreal, but I hope this can act as a precedent for other developers.

[cpa4s]

I believe a 6 story or so was built from timber - on Cumberland , west side & between George and York. Maybe 2015 or so ? They are rare though


Interesting note: according to Linebox's Instagram, this one is planned to be a timber framed/ CLT building. We haven't seen anything done in wood on this scale in Ottawa.

Dream and Linebox really are pushing the envelope in terms of development in Ottawa, maybe nothing too special for Toronto or Montreal, but I hope this can act as a precedent for other developers.

[J.OT13]

I believe a 6 story or so was built from timber - on Cumberland , west side & between George and York. Maybe 2015 or so ? They are rare though

This guy? 2011.

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https://www.mattrichling.com/360-lofts-360-cumberland-ottawa-byward-market-condos-for-sale-ottawa

https://www.architectsdca.com/portfolio/360-lofts/

[SL123]

Found this image on Linebox website

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https://www.linebox.ca/

[J.OT13]

Looks nice. Love the red brick strip. They really preserve the church's dominance of the site.

[SL123]

Looks nice. Love the red brick strip. They really preserve the church's dominance of the site.

I hope the red bricks continues on the Blackburn St. facade

[SL123]

New Documents on DevApp

https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D02-02-24-0003/details

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[J.OT13]

This is quite nice. I have full confidence Windmill can pull this off.

[rocketphish]

Updated plan (Feb 2024)

https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D02-02-24-0003/details

Consistent with previous approvals, a nine (9) storey residential building is proposed for the subject site, integrated into the retained church building. At present, the proposed development is intended to be wholly residential, but this does not preclude it from being a mixed-use building composed of residential and hotel uses.

Part of the redevelopment now includes the acquisition of a 5.0 metre-wide sliver of land to the south, a portion of 321 Chapel Street. Presently, 321 Chapel Street is a “L”-shaped, through flag lot, with a driveway extending from Blackburn Avenue and widening to the property’s full width fronting onto Chapel Street. The driveway is presently fenced off and not in use. This portion is proposed to be acquired and integrated into the development for use as a drive aisle to the parking garage ramp. This is an innovative solution that maintains this piece of land as a driveway and will not result in the expansion of the building footprint south, while making the parking garage layout and ground floor more efficient and locating the vehicular site entrance further away from the intersection of Laurier Avenue.


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[rocketphish]

Heritage committee OK's plan to wrap housing around historic Sandy Hill church
Approved by the city's built heritage committee, the All Saints application will now go before the planning and housing committee on April 24.

Joanne Laucius, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 09, 2024 • Last updated 4 hours ago • 4 minute read

The City of Ottawa’s built heritage committee has approved an application to build a nine-storey, 113-unit residential building that “wraps around” part of a historic church.

The former All Saints Anglican Church at 315 Chapel St. in Sandy Hill was transformed into a multi-use community space known as allsaints in 2016 after it was purchased in 2015 for $1.52 million by a group of investors.

The next step is to add housing to the site. The residential portion, clad in brick and aluminum panel, will be built around the stone apse of the former church.

According to the submission from Linebox Studio, this will introduce a new layer of architectural detail: a glass wall allowing passersby to see the apse as they go past, “blurring the thresholds” between the interior and the exterior.

“I think this is really great example of what can be done with an old church,” said Lesley Collins, the city’s heritage planning program manager.

An apse is a semicircular protuberance, usually covered with a vault or half-dome, that is a design feature of many old churches. In the case of All Saints, the apse is polygonal.

Essentially, the new building will encapsulate the apse, Collins said.

“This is a former church now used as event space and restaurant space. Now we’re seeing housing being incorporated into the whole scheme while still preserving what is important about this church. I think this very creative way of incorporating the apse into the full development with a glazed glass section is really interesting,” she said.

“It will still allow people to go down the street and be able to read the building and see the whole church. And it will allow people who are inside the building to appreciate the stonework and the monumental nature of the building.”

Heritage Ottawa, which advocates for conserving heritage buildings, also supported the application.

The proposal is an excellent example of finding a vibrant new use for a heritage structure and shows an imaginative approach to linking the church and the new building, said David Flemming, chair of Heritage Ottawa’s advocacy committee.

“We wish that it was seven storeys instead of nine, but it was a good trade-off,” he said.

The church property is located on the south side of Laurier Avenue East between Chapel Street and Blackburn Avenue.

All Saints was designated under the Ontario Heritage act in 1998. It’s a Gothic Revival-style building built between 1899 and 1900. An addition known as Bate Memorial Hall was later built on the site. It will be torn down to make way for the housing.

Ottawa is facing the redevelopment or sale of a number of old churches. Some churches will also be getting heritage designation this year as the city is looking to designate about 25 priority buildings before the end of the year — about five times the number designated in a typical year.

One of these is Église évangélique baptiste on King Edward Avenue, Ottawa’s first francophone Baptist church. It was approved for heritage designation in March despite the objection of church leaders, who want to sell the building and buy another larger church in the Carlingwood area to accommodate a growing congregation. They fear the heritage designation may make it difficult to sell.

That matter will be returning to the built heritage committee in November.

The congregation of another church objected to the heritage committee on Tuesday.

For any property owner, particularly in an expensive and developing neighbourhood such as Centretown or downtown, a change in the zoning or heritage status raises concerns about what will happen to the monetary value of the property, said George Sinclair, rector of the Anglican Church of the Messiah, which owns Bible House, a 1922 building at 315 Lisgar St.

The congregation learned only last October that Bible House would be designated, Sinclair said.

“This is unfortunate particularly for a charity organization whose primary monetary asset is the property in question.”

More churches will be up for heritage designation fore the end of the year, but Collins could not give an exact number.

What to do with churches that are no longer in use has been an issue in heritage conservation for more than 15 years as congregations shrink, she said.

“As these buildings get older, they become more expensive to maintain and churches just don’t have the resources to do it,” Collins said. “Sometimes they are sold, sometimes they are sold to another denomination, and other times we have looked at adaptive reuse, like we did with All Saints.”

Quebec set up a fund for adaptive reuse of churches about 20 years ago, Flemming said. The Ontario Heritage Trust did a study on the matter more than a decade ago, but nothing came of it, he said.

“There’s no one fund that churches can go to to try to get some remediation. The only thing to do is take each piece on an individual basis,” Flemming said.

The All Saints application will be before the planning and housing committee on April 24. City staff have recommended that, before a building permit is issues, samples of final exterior materials be provided for approval and that materials from Bate Memorial Hall be salvaged for re-use in the development.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/heritage-committee-oks-plan-to-wrap-housing-around-historic-sandy-hill-church

[SL123]

^I like this part "The All Saints application will be before the planning and housing committee on April 24. City staff have recommended that, before a building permit is issues, samples of final exterior materials be provided for approval and that materials from Bate Memorial Hall be salvaged for re-use in the development."

I quite like what we see in the renderings but they better use quality materials

[J.OT13]

Fantastic proposal. Love to see these old churches preserved.

Very confident in Windmill's ability to build a quality project. They've already built two projects like this, Cathedral Hill and Southminster. Two more to come with this one and the Korean Community Church on Bell.

[YukonLlama]

Look at those arches! I'm a big fan of the red brick portion but less so the grey facade. The balcony railings, while pretty bare bones, could be interesting with the more rounded balconies themselves. Still a bit sad about the added density around All Saints but if done well could be a really beautiful building added to the community.