EDMONTON | Manulife 2 | 161M | 32 FLOORS

[Coldrsx]

DESIGN IS PRELIMINARY/CONCEPTUAL

The long awaited second tower... Podium is done.

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/images/thumb/Y8YIFHDJN32DVCVWO1CY.jpg
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[Dale]

Will the glass be blue, or perhaps closer to reflective gray or silver ?

[Coldrsx]

Clearish glazing is my bet with white spandrel.

[Dale]

Clearish glazing is my bet with white spandrel.

Very nice, as that corner is already a little heavy on blue.

[jigglysquishy]

Any info on this? It'd be the tallest in the city if I'm not mistaken

[Coldrsx]

Any info on this? It'd be the tallest in the city if I'm not mistaken

Correct... By about 12m

[ue]

Should the thread title not be

EDMONTON | Manulife 2 | 161M | 32 FLOORS

to fit with the rest of this section?

[Hed Kandi]

Great design.

[HomeInMyShoes]

So what's the probability and timeline? Manulife 2 has probably been the most anticipated tower in Edmonton history.

Really excited to see this happen.

[caltrane74]

Looks good, will be hard for this one to get messed up during construction.

[Dale]

So what's the probability and timeline? Manulife 2 has probably been the most anticipated tower in Edmonton history.

Really excited to see this happen.

My preferred timeline:

Tomorrow: groundbreaking

Next Day: topping-out

[Spocket]

Okay , this is all well and good but there's a fair bit missing here .

For one thing , how is this a proposal exactly ? It's just a drawing . There's nothing about when it could start , if that's even the final design , how much it will cost , who will develop it , has it been approved , etc.

Secondly , has the City Center Airport closed ? I could have sworn there was a height limit at 150 meters . IF that's the case then this thing won't be started as currently 'proposed' until that airport is shut down . I realize that the city council has decided to basically phase it out but how will that affect height caps and when ?

Don't misunderstand me here , I'm very much all for this and would love to see it get going skyward . It's all just a little sketchy based on what's been presented here which is , after all , just a rendering .

[Coldrsx]

1. AIMCO and ALBERCO are behind it at this point, there was an article in spring about them investigating various options.

2. One runway closed allows increased height west of 101st... New capital city downtown plan allows 150m but up to 200 as discretionary.

3. ... Much more than just a remaindering happening behind the scenes. Rumours have 600k split between UofA school of business and the prov.

[Pavlov]

Clearish glazing is my bet with white spandrel.

Seems likely that the glazing would be very similar to EAP/Devon projects, no? (which would be welcome I think.)

[Coldrsx]

I am betting identical-ish.

[whiteford]

i love this one. truly a world class tower.

[cityguy]

Great new tower,congrats edmonton.

[Coldrsx]

http://i.imgur.com/oOmsX.png
http://i.imgur.com/oOmsX.png
excaliburkid, ssp

[espalorius]

I really hope you Edmonton guys are sure about this proposal because if it doesn't get built the city's gonna be the laughing stock of the skyscraper forum... period

[LeftCoaster]

I really hope you Edmonton guys are sure about this proposal because if it doesn't get built the city's gonna be the laughing stock of the skyscraper forum... period

? Care to explain yourself? :koko:

[Calgarian]

Looks great, as long as they don't use the same glass they did on Epcor, it will be a winner.

[Calgarian]

I really hope you Edmonton guys are sure about this proposal because if it doesn't get built the city's gonna be the laughing stock of the skyscraper forum... period

A little harsh don't you think?

[caltrane74]

Yeah that doesn't make any sense.

I saw the tower in Philly was just cancelled or confirmed dead a couple of days ago, and no one laughed at them.

[Coldrsx]

I really hope you Edmonton guys are sure about this proposal because if it doesn't get built the city's gonna be the laughing stock of the skyscraper forum... period

I really hope you are sure about your sense of understanding, for it is obviously disenfranchised. :koko:

[shakman]

I really hope you Edmonton guys are sure about this proposal because if it doesn't get built the city's gonna be the laughing stock of the skyscraper forum... period

I am not going to laugh. When projects get cancelled anywhere, it is no laughing matter.

[ue]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/6010359081_d6946a244c_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6137/6010358965_ae85006330_z.jpg
The completely inaccurate model is downloadable from here. (http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/cldetails?mid=6f225a1f4c4227f7efcf92fe5f194342)

Google Sketchups by newfangled, posted on Connect2Edmonton.ca.

[espalorius]

I didn't think my comment would have such a hostile reaction but I stand behind it. I also spent a big chunk of my life in Edmonton so I know it's not worth getting excited about a project until you've seen the finished product.

I'll repeat that because I'm disenfranchised according to some ;)

Edmonton's allright but in edmonton...

it's not worth getting excited about a project until you've seen the finished product

PERIOD

[yaletown_fella]

This tower is dope~! It really has the potential of being a perfect 10.

[Calgarian]

I didn't think my comment would have such a hostile reaction but I stand behind it. I also spent a big chunk of my life in Edmonton so I know it's not worth getting excited about a project until you've seen the finished product.

I'll repeat that because I'm disenfranchised according to some ;)

Edmonton's allright but in edmonton...

it's not worth getting excited about a project until you've seen the finished product

PERIOD

Saying that a city will be the laughing stock of the forum because a project gets cancelled doesn't make any sense. Lots of projects have been cancelled in lots of cities all over the world, what with the economy being in the toilet and all.

[whiteford]

just being proposed is something to be excited about. it shows the potential that the Alberta economy has. while most places in the world are having hard time's. places in canada like Edmonton and Calgary are having awesome skyscrapers such as this actually being considered. that in itself says allot about our healthy economy.

[cityguy]

Whiteford,I like your positive attitude.

[Surrealplaces]

I am betting identical-ish.

Is it the same architects (Pickard Chilton) behind the design?

BTW, great looking tower. :cool:

[whiteford]

Whiteford,I like your positive attitude.

thanks for the comment; however, i must give credit to Canada for my positive attitude. being Canadian, its almost impossible not to be positive. its like cheating. haha

[Chadillaccc]

Anything good going on here?

[Chinook Arch]

This is a nice looking tower. Any idea on the time line for ground breaking?

[ue]

There are no firm dates (and this isn't a firm proposal yet) but some of the Edmonton forumers who are closer to AIMCo (the company that owns the site and officially stated they want to build a tower) said they would like to move ahead "sooner rather that later" and that there is strong interest. If they keep the tower podium as is (which was built back in the '80s to support a tower) then it will cut a lot of construction time. My guess is that it could start in 2012 (completed by 2013-14), but I have no official backing for that statement.

[Coldrsx]

Sounds like this tower is going to be announced in the nearish future!

[Dylan Leblanc]

good I was wondering when things were going to start happening with this project

[rapid_business]

Looks like there might be new life in this project. The City put out a huge RFP for space, and my bet is that Manu2/Centre 102 has the best shot!

[Yackemflaber69]

any news on this tower

[Coldrsx]

Proposed and u/c towers for Edmonton - 102st Centre (formerly manu 2) is middle tall

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o613/mzabinski2/skyline_arena_zpsee0c586d.jpg
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[Coldrsx]

June 4th Design Committee - Edmonton

102 Street Centre
Kasian Architecture – Stewart Inglis

[caltrane74]

2 years we've been waiting for word on this thing? Hope they get a move on it at this community meeting. Stop all dilly dally.

[whiteford]

edmonton could easily build this tower. it is needed so why wouldn't they? i sure hope it passes. this tower is nothing short of epic.

[Coldrsx]

2 years we've been waiting for word on this thing? Hope they get a move on it at this community meeting. Stop all dilly dally.

It is a little complicated due to a long term tenant in the already constructed podium that needs to move out, demo back to structure and then go up.

Oh, and a 250,000sqft tenant or so.

[Surrealplaces]

It is a little complicated due to a long term tenant in the already constructed podium that needs to move out, demo back to structure and then go up.

Oh, and a 250,000sqft tenant or so.

Either way, it looks to have some traction. This would be a skyline changer.

[Coldrsx]

^that it does... and it will be interesting to see which tower the City chooses for their 350k RFP.

[Coldrsx]

Job No 138628715-001: To construct a Tower addition to an existing Professional, Financial, and Office Support Service building.
10150 - 102 STREET NW
Plan 8720596 Blk 2 Lot A
KASIAN ARCHITECTURE INTERIOR DESIGN & PLANNING LTD.
DOWNTOWN
^Here is the Manu 2 site.

[Coldrsx]

Went to design committee last night, sounds VERY promising.

[Surrealplaces]

Went to design committee last night, sounds VERY promising.

The building design, or the chance of getting built, or both?

[Coldrsx]

BOTH:)

In my humble opinion it is going to be one of the best tower designs in recent years.

As for it moving forward, they are actively marketing it behind the scenes and with a few RFPs out there for 300-400k it very well could be going in 2014/15.

[Coldrsx]

102 Street Centre here in Edmonton

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNO5TELCEAIFJpS.jpg
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[TallBob]

^ Nice Tower Edmonton! ^

[canucklehead2]

I like it! however I do have a soft spot for the old Manulife 2 design, including the prospect of another downtown hotel, which obviously won't happen if this version gets built...

[rapid_business]

Right, but there are hotel plans for the KR building and the Arena district as well.

[Coldrsx]

C.3. 102 Street Centre
Kasian Architecture – Stewart Inglis
C. Craig and K. Kerr left the meeting due to a conflict.
P. Odinga read the comments of the Development Planner.
MOVED: R. Lederer
Motion of support with conditions. Administrative walk-on required.
• The Committee fully appreciates the effort that the proponent has put towards sculpting and enhancing the top of the tower in order to ensure that it contributes positively to Edmonton’s skyline. The Committee does not support the inclusion of the ability to incorporate building signage within the curved portions of the tower façade.
• Provide a detailed exterior signage and lighting package.
• Provide a detailed landscape plan that includes all proposed public realm improvements associated with the structure. This includes paving materials, finishes, colour, and pattern.
SECONDED: M. Nebozuk
FOR THE MOTION: P. Osborne, C. Domanski, R. Labonte, R. Lederer, C. McRae, T. Muller,
CARRIED
M. Nebozuk, L. Woodland

edmonton.ca

[Coldrsx]

Hearing that we should hear more on this in Q1/14'.

[Coldrsx]

DP application notice for 102st Centre

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNO5TELCEAIFJpS.jpg
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[rapid_business]

Really want to know who might be showing interest in leasing some space in this building....

[Coldrsx]

City of Edmonton
Enbridge
ATCO
Stantec

are the current most likely.

[rapid_business]

ATCO, really? I didn't know they were looking for space? City -> I doubt it. Too pricey.

[Coldrsx]

^yeah, cannot see them there either, but they do need space I hear.


160.4m tall will make it our new tallest!

[Calgarian]

Looks great! glad to see some movement on this one finally.

[Chadillaccc]

So awesome! This will really transform Edmonton's skyline. It will be noticeably taller than anything else and it will add an ultra-modern node to the skyline that, in my opinion, could lift it to the next level aesthetically.

[Coldrsx]

^yup, objectively I think it will be a top 5 in the country.

[Deepstar]

I think you could already say top 5 even without this one.

[Coldrsx]

^no no... this tower being a top 5 tower in the country.

[Chadillaccc]

It will depend on the cladding but it does have that potential I suppose. Its height will be a detriment though, as by the time this is completed (let's say 2018-19), the national top 10 will all be over 235 meters.

[Coldrsx]

^^we don't have a compensation issue:)

[ue]

It will depend on the cladding but it does have that potential I suppose. Its height will be a detriment though, as by the time this is completed (let's say 2018-19), the national top 10 will all be over 235 meters.

Height isn't everything ;). In terms of design, I think Cold is right. This is up there with the Bow or L Tower for new towers in Canada.

[Chadillaccc]

It could be, remember, cladding is everything. Since this is an office though, I'm really hopeful.

Also, I would imagine height does matter to most people on this forum. Also, I'm not sure what a "compensation issue" is.

[ue]

^ Height is just one factor. It's why people would rather go to Paris than Dubai. Many of the most applauded urban neighbourhoods are specifically more human scaled - The Pearl District, Le Plateau, Greenwich Village, the North End, Lincoln Park, Haight-Ashbury, Mayfair, Prenzlauer Berg, Montmartre, St. Kilda, Bo-Kaap, etc. While nice, tall buildings are just that, I think it's more important to have an inviting realm for when you're actually in the city, at street level.

The compensation issue thing, from what I could surmise, is Cold's tongue-in-cheek response to the obsession many have over skyscraper height. That being said, we don't mind a good skyscraper and we'd more than gladly take back the title of having Alberta's tallest from you guys ;).

[Coldrsx]

Good god please yes.

102 Street Centre
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Hines is the development manager for 102 Street Centre, located in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. The 25-story office building was conceived to inspire and elevate Edmonton’s business and thought leaders today and in the future.

As the city’s tallest building, its elegant glass façade and bold architectural composition will reshape and redefine Edmonton’s business landscape. Designed by Pickard Chilton and owned by AIMco, 102 Street Centre will be distinguished by its environmental and corporate leadership. The tower will become a landmark in the city’s skyline and provide more than 800,000 square feet of commercial space for Edmonton’s growing downtown community.

http://www.hines.com/toolkit_images/Project%20Photos/102%20Street%20Centre/entry---education-street-view_lres_web.jpg
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http://www.hines.com/property/detail.aspx?id=2344

[TallBob]

Nice renders. I thought Manulife II was around 30+ floors!

[rapid_business]

It is. Hines is wrong.

[Coldrsx]

After closer examination, I count the following:

4 storey podium
29 typical office floors
1 light blue mystery floor, skydeck?
3.5 mechanical I presume? Or one amazing atrium.

36 ish storeys

[DarthMalgus]

Looks fantastic. Sounds like lots of pent-up demand in Edmonton so I imagine this one is likely to proceed fairly quickly?

[Coldrsx]

All depends on the market and a rumoured potential RFP.

[ue]

Looks fantastic. Sounds like lots of pent-up demand in Edmonton so I imagine this one is likely to proceed fairly quickly?

Unfortunately, unlike Calgary, there aren't endless amounts of corporations based up here looking to build a new showpiece. There were three contenders for the 102 St Centre (Manulife II) - the City, Stantec, and Enbridge. Both the City and Stantec have opted to go for the two office towers to be included in the Arena District underway already. So only Enbridge is left for companies looking to lease a brand new office tower and if they chose someone else, then 102 St Centre will likely be put on hold for awhile.

[DarthMalgus]

Well, hopefully they find an anchor tenant soon and get going.

[big W]

Looks fantastic. Sounds like lots of pent-up demand in Edmonton so I imagine this one is likely to proceed fairly quickly?

Yes there was some pent up demand, but we will soon have 3 office towers under construction downtown. There really is one more large RFP out there (Enbridge) so it may start, however I believe it will go in a couple years and not right away as the market will take a little breather and see what happens with the 3 towers going up.

[Coldrsx]

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[TallBob]

When is this one going to start?

[rapid_business]

Not anytime soon, as any potential leasor has signed elsewhere and other towers are going up instead.

[canucklehead2]

For a little context for those of you not from Edmonton, the podium was designed and built in the mid to late 80's for the original design of the project known as Manulife Place West.

It had a triangular 32-story tower with an adjacent 20 story hotel tower planned but only the podium was constructed until demand picked up, which it didn't do here until the last 3-4 years. In fact the entire podium spent about 10 years mothballed after the retail mall that opened with failed in the last big economic crunch of 1988-1991. Then the podium was mostly leased out to Dynalife (a private medical lab services contractor) and the U of A which extended its reach from the next-door Enterprise Square building aka the Hudson Bay Galleria which was another failed shopping mall built out of the abandoned original Bay store... I only have fleeting memories of visiting The Book Company on the main floor which was located where A-Channel now CITY-TV station was (until last year) in Enterprise Square and passing through an open but abandoned smaller Bay store that was open for maybe a year or two before it was relocated to fill in the cavernous Woodward's location on Churchill Square.

I personally would love to see this one built (a bit taller as a mixed-use supertall maybe) or its original 80's design which was decent as well... I think once this gets built in some form, we can then say downtown Edmonton has bounced back from the brink of being a new Detroit or downtown Cleveland... Sure it's light year's better than what it was in the darkest days (1991-2005) but it still pales in comparison to similar downtown's...

[Skyisnolimit]

What was the max height the poduim could hold ? how far down did the pilings go ,and can it support a tower taller then the 160 meter manulife 2 that was once proposed.

[Hallsy's Toupee]

I guess this ain't happening anytime soon

Alberta Health Services, Dynalife agree on five year extension for medical testing
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/alberta-health-services-dynalife-agree-on-five-year-extension-for-medical-testing

Of interest to 102 St:

It is not clear if Dynalife is still facing eviction from its current headquarters next year, though there are indications the building’s landlord — the government-owned Alberta Investment Management Corporation — might be open to an extension.

[canucklehead2]

I think we're gonna start to see a freeze in new proposals for at least the next 2-3 years, which is a shame because finally Edmonton was on a roll. But considering where Calgary is right now and the Alberta economy in general to be fully expected...

[Daveography]

Yeah the lease renewal shouldn't have been the bigger indicator that this wasn't going ahead, given the expected vacancy rate as our new towers come online and offices consolidated.

Let's hope some of the rumoured conversions of old office stock proceed and soften the blow a bit.