Thalia | unknown | 17 fl | proposed

[squeezied]

http://www.6717000.com/admin/uploads/building/main_image/1292701140building.jpg

"TWENTY-EIGHT ARCHITECTURALLY MAGNIFICENT HOMES BY DESIGNER AND DEVELOPER JAMES SCHOUW"

The Building: Consistent with other residences within the collection, THALIA is unique in its architectural character, showcasing the highest level of interior craftsmanship along with impeccable materials. The boutique building will also boast state-of-the-art technologies, including Bio-metric security with convenient fingerprint identification, geothermal heating and cooling, and a fully automated, European-inspired parking system.

The Residences: THALIA offers two bedroom + study and three bedroom + study residences, all featuring soaring 12-foot ceilings and floor-to-ceiling windows to bathe each residence in natural light and allow for uninterrupted views of historic Yaletown and beyond. Within the spacious floorplans, only those fixtures and materials of enduring quality are considered, including dramatic porcelain floors and revolutionary Gaggenau appliances.

Adress: 889 Cambie Street (@ Smithe Street)

Living Room
http://www.thaliavancouver.com/images/interiors/THA_livingroom.jpg

Bathroom
http://www.thaliavancouver.com/images/interiors/THA_bathroom.jpg

Sub-penthouse
http://www.thaliavancouver.com/images/interiors/THA_subpenthouse.jpg

Kitchen
http://www.thaliavancouver.com/images/interiors/THA_kitchen.jpg

http://www.thaliavancouver.com/index.html

[Spork]

Is this Grace 2?

[squeezied]

I think it's suppose to be a mash of the previous three Schouw projects: Iliad, Grace and Artemsia.

[hollywoodnorth]

more details / maps >> http://www.6717000.com/thalia/

[danby]

sweeet looks uber posh!

[dreambrother808]

Gargoyles! :haha:

[Yume-sama]

The interiors do look quite nice~!

[Waders]

Love the interiors. What is the price range?

[Yume-sama]

Probably more than anyone would really care to know if there's only 28 units on 17 floors (less than 2 per floor average) lol

[djh]

Probably more than anyone would really care to know if there's only 28 units on 17 floors (less than 2 per floor average) lol

Not improbable or unrealistic on a James Schow project; have you seen one of his earlier (fantastic) developments - the Iliad (on Homer, of course)? I think that has between 1 and 2 units per floor (but it's only about 4 floors tall)
http://www.vopenhouse.ca/video/2888_Homer/

[SpongeG]

thalia - worst name ever named after a mexican pop star? like really?

http://www.wendyprimera.com/images/thalia.jpg

[dleung]

James Schouw likes his high-priced PoMo piles...

... though I question his taste, it's not entirely regressive, and there's definintely something fanciful about those cable-suspended balconies.

[squeezied]

floorplans can be found here: https://www.mylasso.com/FileWarehouse/Users/User_9398/Documents/Thalia%20e-brochure%20FINAL%201215.pdf

The top three floors have one unit per floor.
Below that there are three units per floor.

[Yume-sama]

Not improbable or unrealistic on a James Schow project; have you seen one of his earlier (fantastic) developments - the Iliad (on Homer, of course)? I think that has between 1 and 2 units per floor (but it's only about 4 floors tall)
http://www.vopenhouse.ca/video/2888_Homer/

Yeah, I don't think it's improbable, but in regards to pricing, it's probably far more expensive than most people care to know lol Does Vancouver not have any density requirements? I guess we still have a few parking lots to get rid of before we get concerned about taking up such a large space for only 28 homes.

thalia - worst name ever named after a mexican pop star? like really?

:haha: I don't know how you know that, but that's great. At least it's not decorated accordingly :P

"Thalia" is one of three "Grace's" in Greek Mythology.

They are Aglaia (Splendor), Euphrosyne (Mirth), and Thalia (Good Cheer) :D So look out for two more oddly named towers.

[officedweller]

Thanks for posting -

That's just opposite to my condo - at Cambie & Smithe on the El Patio/Art Works site - looks like they will be preserving or mimicking the existing building in new construction.
It will clash with the modern Law Society Building next door (the elevator core will back onto it) - and the southwest facing condos at Raffles will have a massive blank wall to stare at (floors 15-17?) - hopefully the City won't allow that. Unless the stairwells above the 15th floor will have windows?

Interesting bits -

12 ft ceilings - even at just 17 floors - sounds like it'll be equivalent to a 26 storey building plus peaked roof.

8 ft solid wood doors.

Automated parking garage.

Transportation plan includes use of a Rolls Royce Phantom .... and bicycles.

Note that there is a view cone that runs up Cambie Street from one of the False Creek view cones (the height is limited to the height of my complex at 930/950 Cambie).

http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/views/viewcones/a.htm

http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/views/viewcones/images/a_photo_f2.jpg

[SpongeG]

Yeah, I don't think it's improbable, but in regards to pricing, it's probably far more expensive than most people care to know lol Does Vancouver not have any density requirements? I guess we still have a few parking lots to get rid of before we get concerned about taking up such a large space for only 28 homes.



:haha: I don't know how you know that, but that's great. At least it's not decorated accordingly :P

"Thalia" is one of three "Grace's" in Greek Mythology.

They are Aglaia (Splendor), Euphrosyne (Mirth), and Thalia (Good Cheer) :D So look out for two more oddly named towers.

haha oh well can't stand her - she married mariah carey's ex-husband and hawked velour track suits at kmart

[wrenegade]

I f'ing love James Schouw's developments. This looks amazing (as per usual). Can't wait for Artemesia to start construction.

[VancouverguyDowntown]

I was just at the sales centre. The smallest unit, at 1275 sq ft, will start at about $1.1 million. Most 2 bedrooms (up to 1557 sq ft) will go up to about $1.6mill. The sub penthouses, at 3215 square feet, will be priced from about $4mill or so, and the penthouse, over 4000 sq ft, will likely go for over $7mill (it's not available for sale, but the nice sales lady speculated about the size and price).

This is a very exceptional project for Vancouver. 12' ceilings. It's almost unheard of in new buildings. Can anyone think of any new projects in any other cities where ceilings are a standard 12'? 155 Cumberland in Toronto is 11', 65 E Goethe in Chicago were 11'-12', and a few in Manhattan were 11'. But 12'?! Call me a size queen, but I'm inpressed lol.

One potential negative issue is the location. Smithe Street is loud with traffic, and it's not exactly in a "prestigious" location. No iconic water, park, or mountain views, either.

It's central though, and will get excellent south-facing sunlight, considering the short building across the street that (I believe) likely won't be torn down for something taller any time soon.

If I had the money, I'd still jump at the chance of buying one unit, or more than one and combining them. The 12' ceilings and excellent finishes is what got me.

[officedweller]

Different league, of course, but the loft towers of the 90s all had 16 ft ceilings.
Now, I'm not sure how Schouw proposes to get around the zoning bylaw that, as a result of the proliferation of 16ft loft towers (and the unauthorized mezzanines they spawned), imposed a requirement that the "average" floor to ceiling height in condo towers be no more than 10ft.

WRT the SAP building - the landlord (or is it owned by SAP?) renovated several years ago, so its unlikely they will move. That said, the block would make a big mega development and does not sit within the historic area height limit.

[VancouverguyDowntown]

Now, I'm not sure how Schouw proposes to get around the zoning bylaw that, as a result of the proliferation of 16ft loft towers (and the unauthorized mezzanines they spawned), imposed a requirement that the "average" floor to ceiling height in condo towers be no more than 10ft.

I vaguely recall the Alto planning report praising the proposed 10' ceilings as 'contributing to livability' or something like that. I think the city is loosening up a bit and allowing higher ceilings, provided someone doesn't take advantage and create mezzanines. I'm sure they'd have confidence that residents of a building of this caliber wouldn't create 4' mezzanines out of their 12' ceilings. However with 16' ceilings, I could see it potentially happening in some buildings.

Speaking of 16' ceilings, I forgot to mention that the penthouse in this project will have 16' ceilings. Same as the penthouse at Trump Tower Chicago, and Donald Trump's NYC apartment.

[wrenegade]

WRT the SAP building - the landlord (or is it owned by SAP?) renovated several years ago, so its unlikely they will move. That said, the block would make a big mega development and does not sit within the historic area height limit.

Joe Segal owns that site.

[officedweller]

Thanks. At least it's not owned by a developer.

I vaguely recall the Alto planning report praising the proposed 10' ceilings as 'contributing to livability' or something like that. I think the city is loosening up a bit and allowing higher ceilings, provided someone doesn't take advantage and create mezzanines. I'm sure they'd have confidence that residents of a building of this caliber wouldn't create 4' mezzanines out of their 12' ceilings. However with 16' ceilings, I could see it potentially happening in some buildings.

Speaking of 16' ceilings, I forgot to mention that the penthouse in this project will have 16' ceilings. Same as the penthouse at Trump Tower Chicago, and Donald Trump's NYC apartment.

That does make sense - that 12ft isn't a big risk - it depends whether the City staff are willing to bend or tell the developer to be satisfied with 10ft (which is still very high for downtown).

Nice to see that the penthouses will live up to the name - unlike so many that have standard floorplates and ceiling heights.

[wrenegade]

Thanks. At least it's not owned by a developer.


Lol, Joe Segal is going to make a KILLING when he develops the site.

[officedweller]

Does he develop or will he sell it to a developer?

[VancouverguyDowntown]

I noticed the Thalia website is down. I'm hearing that the project might not go forward... Artemisia in Vancouver has already been canceled, and the property is being sold.

If Thalia doesn't happen, that would be too bad. I was very serious about moving in there in a few years. Vancouver needs more decent residential buildings in vibrant areas (I find Coal Harbour and the Yaletown waterfront boring).

[officedweller]

I don't think that Thalia responded that well to the site.

We know that it was going to back onto the blank wall of the Law Society Building - but across the alley to the west, 888 Hamilton (Rosedale Garden) also had a facade that was designed to be face/back onto another tower. The alley side of Rosedale Garden has very small windows (kitchens, I think) and it's pretty clear that the building on the Thalia site should block that building as well as butting up against the Law Society Building.

Thalia's design doesn't accomplish that, meaning that the largely blank wall of Rosedale Garden would be exposed forever to those driving up Smithe.

[VancouverguyDowntown]

I take back my previous post. I spoke to one of Thalia's sales agents this afternoon, and she says it's going ahead. Thalia's website should be up again some time in April.

Artemisia is cancelled, however.

[hollywoodnorth]

I take back my previous post. I spoke to one of Thalia's sales agents this afternoon, and she says it's going ahead. Thalia's website should be up again some time in April.

Artemisia is cancelled, however.

well that's good news overall ... thx!

[privatejet]

He seems to have a number of current foreclosure actions against him so I wouldn't hold my breath.

SCHOUW, Brendan James
MANASTYRSKI, Mark v GRACE RESIDENCES LTD. Supreme
Supreme Civil (General) Vancouver Law Courts 091765 06Mar2009 10Feb2011
SCHOUW, Brendan James
FIRST ISLAND FINANCIAL SERVICES LTD. Supreme
Foreclosure Vancouver Law Courts 090672 26May2009 29Dec2010
SCHOUW, Brendan James
MORITA, John Supreme
Foreclosure Vancouver Law Courts 091402 09Oct2009 27Apr2010
SCHOUW, Brendan James
FIRST ISLAND FINANCIAL SERVICES LTD. v HORNBY RESIDENCES LTD. Supreme
Foreclosure Vancouver Law Courts 100769 22Jun2010 11Jan2011
SCHOUW, Brendan James
FISGARD CAPITAL CORPORATION v HORNBY RESIDENCES LTD. Supreme
Foreclosure Vancouver Law Courts 100937 27Jul2010 13Jan2011
SCHOUW, Brendan James
PACIFICA MORTGAGE INVESTMENT CORPORATION v SMITHE RESIDENCES LTD. Supreme
Foreclosure Vancouver Law Courts 101201 24Sep2010 24Jan2011

[Porfiry]

He seems to have a number of current foreclosure actions against him so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Vancouver developer James Schouw allegedly committed fraud: BCSC
https://www.biv.com/article/2015/11/vancouver-developer-james-schouw-allegedly-committ/

A prominent Vancouver developer known for projects such as Grace and Iliad allegedly committed fraud, according to the British Columbia Securities Commission (BCSC).

Schouw allegedly told the investor that his funds would be used for building permits, demolition and construction costs of the Artemisia, which is a project on Hornby Street in Vancouver for which Schouw had incorporated Hornby Residences Ltd.

Additionally, BCSC alleges that, upon receiving the investor's funds, Schouw transferred approximately 75% of the money to other accounts under his control.

Within a month and a half of receiving the investor's funds, Schouw spent approximately $453,155 of the investor's funds on expenses unrelated to the development of the Artemisia, according to the BCSC.

That spending allegedly included a payment towards a personal legal judgment, payments to previous investors, and to service personal mortgage and rental obligations.

Stay far, far away from this guy.

[logan5]

Desperation move. It's not like he was spending the money on cars and trips. He probly gambled that he would make it back somehow.

[Jebby]

Artemisia is cancelled, however.

Well that obviously didn't happen...

[BodomReaper]

Boffo scooped-up both Artemisia and this site. While they completed Artemisia according to the original plan, this project has since been redesigned and presumably will no longer use the Thalia name:

https://changingcitybook.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/225-smithe.jpg?w=443&h=713
From http://changingcitybook.com/2015/05/27/225-smithe-street/

[Vanelevatorman]

I think the original was better.