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mr.x
Feb 12, 2008, 4:21 AM
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Containers suggested for Whistler's housing shortage

Jeff Lee, The Vancouver Sun
Published: Monday, January 14, 2008

WHISTLER -- Accommodation for workers in this mountain resort is in such short supply that local politicians want to bring in shipping containers or construction trailers to house them.

The plan, developed by the Whistler Housing Authority, local chamber of commerce and several municipal councillors, is to create as many as 250 beds by establishing a park made up of construction trailers of the kind used for oil-field workers or by setting up stackable shipping containers.

The containers would be modified and brought up to a livable standard, including electricity, windows and insulation, according to one of the project's backers, Coun. Ralph Forsyth.

The idea is the brainchild of a committee called "Housing Our Many Employees" (HOME) that has tried to find short- and long-term solutions to the perennial employee housing shortage.

Forsyth and fellow Coun. Tim Wade, who will bring the proposal to council in the second week of February, say it may be the only way to ease the tremendous pressure local businesses are facing in retaining staff during the busy winter season.

While accommodation for workers is always a problem in high-priced Whistler, this year is worse because the resort's popularity is on an upswing, Forsyth said.

There are more visitors wanting more services and not enough accommodation for the staff needed to serve them.

"We're aware of the critical shortage of housing for our employees, and it contributes to the deteriorating service standards," Forsyth said.

In the high season, now, Whistler has a workforce approaching 14,000. But it has only enough accommodation for 10,500, according to Forsyth.

That will be worse in 2010, the year of the Olympic Winter Games, when the Vancouver Organizing Committee will be looking for accommodation for its own staff, volunteers and unaccredited media, he said.

But this year is already worse than ever, according to Stuart Cook, a manager of the Pinnacle International Hotel, who said: "I've never seen it this bad."

The committee isn't worried about the image of stacked shipping containers being used to house employees.

"These would be building blocks. All the container is, is the frame. You cut holes, you put in windows, you put in vents, you put in insulation, you put in ventilation," Wade said.

"They would be actual containers," Forsyth said. "We've seen videos of these places, and they are very nice, livable places. It looks like Lego blocks on the outside, they're temporary, but they are very livable on the inside."

Forsyth said businesses would have to underwrite the entire proposal -- including the costs of setting it up and running it. "The reality is the government, this municipality, doesn't have the money for this."

He said businesses would be asked to guarantee to pay for whatever beds they need for their workers, at a probable cost of about $500 a month per bed. Whether they recoup that from employees would be up to them.

"Because a rising tide floats all boats, and in this case there is up-front money involved, we will go to the major employers who have enough money to say they will take some beds," Forsyth said.

Forsyth and Wade say they've looked at one company that supplies modified containers, and the HOME committee is dealing with one property owner that may be willing to make land available on a temporary basis.

The committee hopes to gather enough letters of intent from businesses to underwrite the cost of the project by the second week of February.

The proposal might also help take pressure off some workers who are being gouged by landlords who cram as many employees as they can find into a single facility, Wade said.

The container trailer park idea is an immediate hit for Pete Van Beek, a server at Milestone's Restaurant. He lives in a three-bedroom house with six others, including several who can't find beds anywhere. While he doesn't need a place to stay, he knows of many who do.

"I can tell you right now people would snatch them up," said Van Beek, who has worked for Milestone's for five years. "I've got three couch-surfers in my place right now. They're friends and co-workers so we feel we have to help them out."

But others worry that the idea isn't a good long-term solution.

Eric Earle, one of the managers at Milestone's, doesn't believe Milestone's would want to participate in the shipping container park because it sends the wrong message.

"Do you want the word out there that this world-wide famous resort is resorting to kids who come to work here staying in shipping containers?" he said. "I'm pretty sure Milestone's would not want its staff having to stay in such a place."

Instead, Milestone's tries to hire staff who already have housing, and offers an incentive program aimed at retaining workers. Of the 80 people employed there, nearly 50 form a regular year-round core, Earle said.

Earle, who has lived in Whistler since 1989, blames past and current councils for the enduring problem.

"Where was the vision when we needed this accommodation 10 years ago?" he asked. "I feel bad about this, but the idea of a container trailer park is something that triggers in me the question, is that really a road we want to go down?"

The proposal follows an unsuccessful attempt by the HOME committee to persuade owners of vacation properties to rent 100 beds directly to businesses that would guarantee the employees would take care of them and pay their rent on time. Not a single homeowner took up the offer, Forsyth said.

"The idea was not to do a deal with some kid from Toronto you would never see again," he said. "You would deal with a business in Whistler. But we didn't get any takers. People are very fearful of their places being damaged."

The irony, according to Forsyth and Wade, is that after the Olympics, more housing will be available for workers. That's because after the Games, nearly 1,000 units of housing being built to house Olympic athletes will be turned over to the housing authority.

On Saturday, councillors told a town hall meeting that the municipality frowns on landlords who gouge long-term tenants or want to throw them out for the Olympics to cash in on better-paying tourists.

"It is non-negotiable for us to be in the situation in 2010 where people are booting out long-term residents and employees in order to rent to tourists," Coun. Eckhard Zeidler said. "We find that pretty unacceptable."

Whistler is already backing away from a proposal to temporarily permit homeowners in resident-only zones to rent rooms on a nightly basis to Olympic visitors, Mayor Ken Melamed told the meeting.





I wouldn't mind living in one of these.

http://www.isbu-info.org/colage_01.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/taybis2003/pic/Container_City_small.jpg



Amsterdam
http://www.jonworth.eu/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/amsterdam-container5s.jpg

http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/containercity1.jpg

http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/container-home-kit-1.jpg

http://www.containersandmore.co.uk/affordablehousing_images/bright-build-1-007.jpg


Could this be our answer to the Vancouver homeless as well? :p The one in Amsterdam is awesome.

crazyjoeda
Feb 12, 2008, 5:49 AM
That place in Amsterdam looks cool. I think this solution could work well in Vancouver; I imagine a community such as this on Marine drive near the future Skytrain station would fit in well. Metro Vancouver needs some city owned, rent controlled housing. It should be built away from downtown. I do not understand why poor people live downtown, I wouldn't move into Shaughnessy and then whine about the cost of living and expect taxpayers to subsides my living.

SpongeG
Feb 12, 2008, 5:56 AM
i saw one on TV once -it was two put together near seattle - it was really cool

whistler needs to do something thats quick and cheap

CPE
Feb 12, 2008, 6:06 AM
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That reminded me of those hotels in Japan(?) where people rent out little cubicles. Albiet, these are a lot bigger. I think its a pretty good idea and something like the Amsterdam building would be nice to have for social housing.

djh
Feb 12, 2008, 6:38 AM
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Containers suggested for Whistler's housing shortage

Jeff Lee, The Vancouver Sun
Published: Monday, January 14, 2008



I wouldn't mind living in one of these.


Could this be our answer to the Vancouver homeless as well? :p The one in Amsterdam is awesome.

TODAY they look cool. In 20 years they will be called "housing estates", or "housing projects".

This is exactly what happened back in the UK in the 1960's. Modernist designers came up with The Answer To The Post-War Urban Housing Shortage, and at the time everybody loved these so-called Council Flats because the logic behind them was great. The reality was markedly different, for 2 main reasons: a) how badly they deteriorated (in that case, that was more of a social issue rather than a construction issue) and b) the demographic that ended up housed in those places were not necessarily the kind of people you would want as neighbours (e.g., the hard-up, the unemployed, poor immigrants with large families and many children who couldn't yet afford the suburbs, etc.)

The same thing would happen in Vancouver - the city would build them to provide a cheap answer to a housing shortage. You might get some brave average citizens moving in out of financial reasons, but the huge majority of people who will be put on the waiting list by the government will be exactly as above - hard to house, low income, desperately in need, etc. So you create a new slum, but with good intentions.

The solution is to spread the poor people around, rather than build low-cost neighbourhoods. Holland and some other Nordic countries have had enormous success with that idea. L'Hermitage, nearing completion, is also trying this concept (hard-to-house people living in the same building as market housing), and I wish them major success. But don't stick all the poor people in one postcode in nice new shiny houses.

deasine
Feb 12, 2008, 6:44 AM
I wasn't really thrilled with container homes at first... but if they were done in the Amsterdam way, I would be amazed and all for it.

I couldn't tell if they were container houses actually =P

vid
Feb 12, 2008, 6:47 AM
"Hi. My name is Brad and I live in a big steel box."

They actually don't look too bad. But what are the acoustics like?

Yume-sama
Feb 12, 2008, 7:15 AM
I agree with the sentiment that you don't want to create a "projects" with rampant drug use, violence, and etc. The idea of these things do intrigue me, though, for the workers they are intended to house. How do you put a toilet in a container? Shared facilities, maybe... how horrifying. Regarding the L'Hermitage social project, does anybody have any specific details on that? I believe I heard they had actually began to quietly buy some of the suites back from the city to sell...

mr.x
Feb 12, 2008, 7:19 AM
perhaps an outhouse? :D

dreambrother808
Feb 12, 2008, 2:27 PM
Amsterdam
http://www.jonworth.eu/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/amsterdam-container5s.jpg


Could this be our answer to the Vancouver homeless as well? :p The one in Amsterdam is awesome.

ummm.... does that remind anyone else of a prison?

Architype
Feb 13, 2008, 6:19 PM
I guess it's better than typical mobile homes, or do they have those too?

Yume-sama
Feb 13, 2008, 11:23 PM
ummm.... does that remind anyone else of a prison?

:P They need to keep a watchful eye on the poor. :rolleyes:

It's not that easy to get them to voluntarily go in to a REAL prison...

dreambrother808
Feb 14, 2008, 12:51 AM
:P They need to keep a watchful eye on the poor. :rolleyes:

It's not that easy to get them to voluntarily go in to a REAL prison...

not funny...

mr.x
Feb 14, 2008, 12:51 AM
what if there's an earthquake?

Yume-sama
Feb 14, 2008, 12:53 AM
not funny...

Not even a little APC-like?

Darn. They're much better at being hysterical.

mr.x
Feb 21, 2008, 7:56 AM
Rendering of what those Whistler container homes might look like:
http://zerocabin.com/images/modulute.jpg

Yume-sama
Feb 21, 2008, 10:10 PM
Well, those don't look so bad. Definitely a lot better than the ones in Amsterdam.

deasine
Feb 22, 2008, 6:28 AM
This is from zerocabin from SCC:


Hey all,

New user here and I stumbled upon this thread,,,

Keith Dewey and I are proposing that Whistler
use shipping containers for housing. Our proposal
can be veiwed over at http://www.zerocabin.com (http://www.zerocabin.com/)
Keith's company http://www.Zigloo.ca (http://www.zigloo.ca/) is the catalist that got this
momentum going so we have to give Keith credit for this great vision
and bringing the positives and logic of common sense
about using these containers as building blocks.

We are encouraged by the response we are getting at local
and provincial governments as well as Can. Export council
is looking at us providing solutions to the toxic trailers
in the US. We've heard of some making brand new units that are 10'
wide but our philosophy it to go green and re-use containers
rather than smelter raw steel which is expensive.

Anyway, very interesting times for container used as homes
and we are excited to develop these units and explore design options
for forestry bunk houses, mining and other utility uses.
Come over and visit us at zerocabin.com and drop me
a note.

Cheers,
Craig.

//Pictures Posted by Mr.X//


Btw, Mr. X are you going to move this to the Olympic sub-forum?

deasine
Feb 22, 2008, 6:30 AM
Other Renderings:

http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/a.jpg
http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/b.jpg
http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/c.jpg
http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/d.jpg