Paris, France

[Metropolitan]

Here are some various updates and corrections about Paris highrise buildings data.



1. Correction : Tour Sequoia

That building appears twice in the database: http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=3391
http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=40389This is the exact same building... However, both are wrong on its localization. Actually, Sequoia, which is right behind the CNIT, is located in Puteaux. Probably both towers should get merged and the localization should be corrected.

As it's true that municipalities borders are a real mess in France, here is a map showing clearly them in La Défense :

http://grandparis.free.fr/localisation-ld2.jpg



2. Correction : Tour Hertzienne TDF du Fort de Romainville

Here is the link to that tower :
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b1086

Actually, that building isn't located in Paris, but actually in Les Lilas (a neighbouring municipality). Despite its name, the building is not located in Romainville. Indeed, the municipality of Les Lilas has been created in the end of the 19th century as a former portion of Romainville, and the military Fort kept its name despite that creation. Hence, the Structurae website which mention that tower is also wrong on its location.



3. Correction : All Suite Flatotel Eiffel Tower

Here is the link to that tower :
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b49252

This building isn't a Flatotel Hotel anymore. It has just been renovated by Pierre & Vacances and now has become residential. It has also changed its name. Now the building is called : Tour Paris Côté Seine.

Here is a thread from the Paris-skyscrapers website, unfortunately in French, which is dedicated to its renovation :
http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=16330


4. New skyscraper : Tour Generali

Official sources: Valode & Pistre (http://www.valode-et-pistre.com/) : This is the official website of the Architects. To find the page about Tour Generali, go in the "News" section, then in the "New projects" section, you will find there the "Generali Tower".
EPAD website (http://www.ladefense.fr/actus_lettre.php) : The EPAD is the official body administrating La Défense. Normally, the announce of the tower should appear in first. The website is in French.
Unofficial sources:
Business Immo (http://www.businessimmo.info/pages/lettre/fiche.php?lang=en&s_code=061018N145_en) : Article on the Generali Tower (in English).
Paris-skyscrapers forum (http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=27170) : This thread on Tour Generali is probably the best documented source to find informations on the tower (in French).
Skyscrapercity forum (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=401443) : Probably the best documented thread on Tour Generali in English.

Building Name: Generali Tower
Native Name: Tour Generali
Other Names: -
Address: place de l'IRIS, La Défense 2
City: Courbevoie
Postal Code: 92400
State/Province: Ile-de-France
Country: France
Official Building Website URL: -
Skyscrapers.com (Emporis.info) URL: -
Architect: Valode & Pistre
Interesting Facts/Records (in own words): That tower promotes environmentalist solutions to reduce its power consumption. It provides Wind turbines in its spire, solar panels, and other elements in order to make it as environment friendly as possible.

Heights--

PLEASE PROVIDE SOURCES FOR HEIGHTS, OTHERWISE WE WILL ASSUME THEY ARE ESTIMATES.
- antenna: -
- spire: 308 metres. NB: This height is an approximation The sources above mentions approximately 300 metres of height and 340 metres 'NGF' (Being the altitude at the top of the tower). Knowing that the altitude at ground floor is exactly of 32 metres, the most likely height is 308 metres, but that figure is not official.
- roof: -
- top floor: -
- other heights: -

Current Building Status (Built, Proposed, Canceled, Destroyed, etc...): Proposed

Construction Dates--
- started: 2008
- finished: 2011

Above ground floors: approximately 50 floors.
Below ground floors: -
Floor-to-floor height: -
Gross Floor area: 90,000 square metres.

Structure Type(s): Highrise
Building Use(s): Office
Building Style(s):
Building Materials: Concrete, glass.



5. Heightened skyscraper : Tour AXA

The tower AXA will be strongly renovated and heightened (from 159 meters of height to 225 meters of height). Considering how strong is the renovation, I guess the best would probably be to consider it as a new building proposal, and, once the renovation will begin, to consider the former version as destroyed.

Official sources : Cogedim Entreprise (http://www.cogedim-entreprise.com/en-cours-entreprise.php) : This is the official website of the builders company (See Tour CB31).
Unofficial sources:
Paris-skyscrapers forum (http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=200) : This thread on Tour AXA is probably the best documented source to find informations on the tower (in French).

Building Name: Tour AXA
Native Name: Tour AXA
Other Names: Tour CB31, Tour Assur
Address: 1 place des Saisons, La Défense 1
City: Courbevoie
Postal Code: 92400
State/Province: Ile-de-France
Country: France
Official Building Website URL: -
Skyscrapers.com (Emporis.info) URL: -
Architect: Kohn Perdersen Fox Associates (KPF).
Interesting Facts/Records (in own words): That tower is actually heightened to 225 metres from a former height of 159 metres.

Heights--

PLEASE PROVIDE SOURCES FOR HEIGHTS, OTHERWISE WE WILL ASSUME THEY ARE ESTIMATES.
- antenna: 238 metres
- roof: 225.11 metres Official panel showing height (http://y.moussali.free.fr/Photos%20La%20D%e9fense%202006/demande%20de%20permis%20de%20construire%20concernant%20renov%20et%20surelevation%20de%20cb31,%20a%20cot%e9%20de%20Axa.jpg)
- top floor: -
- other heights: -

Current Building Status (Built, Proposed, Canceled, Destroyed, etc...): Proposed

Construction Dates--
- started: 2007
- finished: 2010

Above ground floors: 61 floors
Below ground floors: -
Floor-to-floor height: -
Gross Floor area: 86,700 square metres.

Structure Type(s): Highrise
Building Use(s): Office
Building Style(s):
Building Materials: Concrete, glass.

Diagram proposal: I have already created a diagram for that tower. I just post it informally here.

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/diagramme_axa_pss_small.gif



6. New Highrise : Hôtel Méridien La Défense

Official sources : Claude Vasconi (http://www.claude-vasconi.fr/projets/defense/def_actu.htm) : This comes from the official website of the architects.
Unofficial sources:
Paris-skyscrapers forum (http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=158) : This thread on the Hôtel Méridien La Défense is probably the best documented source to find informations on the tower (in French).

Building Name: Hôtel Méridien La Défense
Native Name: I]Hôtel Méridien La Défense[/I]
Other Names: -
Address: La Défense 2
City: Courbevoie
Postal Code: 92400
State/Province: Ile-de-France
Country: France
Official Building Website URL: -
Skyscrapers.com (Emporis.info) URL: -
Architect: Claude Vasconi.
Interesting Facts/Records (in own words): -

Heights--

PLEASE PROVIDE SOURCES FOR HEIGHTS, OTHERWISE WE WILL ASSUME THEY ARE ESTIMATES.
- antenna: -
- roof: 82.7 metres
- top floor: -
- other heights: -

Current Building Status (Built, Proposed, Canceled, Destroyed, etc...): Proposed

Construction Dates--
- started: 2007
- finished: 2009

Above ground floors: -
Below ground floors: -
Floor-to-floor height: -
Gross Floor area: 22,000 square metres.

Structure Type(s): Highrise
Building Use(s): Hotel
Building Style(s):
Building Materials: Concrete, glass.

[Metropolitan]

7. New Highrise : Tour Mozart

Official sources : Issy-les-Moulineaux (http://www.issy.com/index.php/fr/cadre_de_vie/urbanisme/les_grandes_operations_d_urbanisme/le_remplacement_de_la_tour_edf) : This is the official page on that tower on the website of the municipality of Issy-les-Moulineaux.
Unofficial sources:
Paris-skyscrapers forum (http://www.paris-skyscrapers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=58) : This thread on the Tour Mozart is probably the best documented source to find informations on the tower (in French).

Building Name: Tour Mozart
Native Name: Tour Mozart
Other Names: -
Address: 21, rue Joseph Bara
City: Issy-les-Moulineaux
Postal Code: 92130
State/Province: Ile-de-France
Country: France
Official Building Website URL: -
Skyscrapers.com (Emporis.info) URL: -
Architect: Arup Sustainable Design
Interesting Facts/Records (in own words): The building respects the label of "High Environmental Quality" (Haute Qualité Envrionnementale).


Heights--

PLEASE PROVIDE SOURCES FOR HEIGHTS, OTHERWISE WE WILL ASSUME THEY ARE ESTIMATES.
- antenna: -
- roof: 87 metres(Issy-les-Moulineaux website (http://www.issy.com/index.php/fr/cadre_de_vie/urbanisme/les_grandes_operations_d_urbanisme/le_remplacement_de_la_tour_edf))

- top floor: -
- other heights: -

Current Building Status (Built, Proposed, Canceled, Destroyed, etc...): Proposed

Construction Dates--
- started: -
- finished: 2010

Above ground floors: 19
Below ground floors: -
Floor-to-floor height: -
Gross Floor area: 87,000 square metres.

Structure Type(s): Highrise
Building Use(s): office
Building Style(s):
Building Materials: Concrete, glass.

[LMich]

All completed, but I have a few questions/requests of my own...

1. What is the address and postal code of the Tour Hertzienne TDF du Fort de Romainville?

2. Is the Tour AXA redesign spire height just an estimate?

3. While not necessary, can you see if you can find when the Tour Paris Côté Seine was originally completed? All I've been able to dig up is that it was completed in the 1970's.

4. Lastly, when requesting a structure in a city that has yet to be added, always use the City Request form in the post:

City Request Form

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City Name:
Native Name:
State/Province:
Country:
Population:
Population Source & Year:
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Thanks for all of the updates! I'm sure there are many more where that came from.

[Metropolitan]

All completed, but I have a few questions/requests of my own...Ok no worries and thank you. :tup:

1. What is the address and postal code of the Tour Hertzienne TDF du Fort de Romainville?I've just tried to find out but the problem is that the tower seems to be located in the middle of some kind of park. I've tried multiple researches and I couldn't find it. :(

By the way, I've seen you've removed the diagrams for the Tour TDF and the Tour Sequia. Isn't there anyway to put back the diagrams from Phil and Mecanoid ?

2. Is the Tour AXA redesign spire height just an estimate?The height I've uploaded for the spire is only an estimate, nothing official. Sorry I've just realized I wasn't clear on this.

3. While not necessary, can you see if you can find when the Tour Paris Côté Seine was originally completed? All I've been able to dig up is that it was completed in the 1970's.The authority managing the highrise district of the Front de Seine is called Semea15. I've just found their website. We can find interesting .pdf files over there: http://www.semea15.fr/front_seine/histoire/Pages%20de%20doc%20panneaux-5.pdf
http://www.semea15.fr/front_seine/histoire/Pages%20de%20doc%20panneaux-6.pdf

On that website are given the completion dates for most of the highrise buildings. So I will give you all the dates : Avant Seine : 1975
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49418
Beaugrenelle : 1979
(I think that tower is called "H15" on the SSP database, but I'm not sure)
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49257
Cheminée du Front de Seine : 1973
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7253
Cristal : 1990
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7232
Espace 2000 : 1976
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49259
Evasion 200 : 1971
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49419
Flatotel : 1977
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49252
Keller : 1970
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49421
Mars : 1974
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49254
Nikko : 1976
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=3290
Panorama : 1974
(I think that tower is called "60-64 rue Emeriau" on the SSP database, but I'm not sure)
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49441
Perspective I : 1973
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49255
Perspective II : 1975
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49256
Reflets : 1976
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49258
Rive Gauche : 1975
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49420
Seine : 1970
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49251
Totem : 1979
=> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49250

That .pdf files also mention three smaller highrise, which appears on Emporis but that I haven't found listed on SSP. These are :
- Tour Mirabeau (1972) Emporis page (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=tourmirabeau-paris-france)
- Immeuble le Village (1973) Emporis page (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=immeublelevillage-paris-france)
- Tour Mercure (1973) Emporis page (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=tourmercure-paris-france)

4. Lastly, when requesting a structure in a city that has yet to be added, always use the City Request form in the post:I'm sorry about this. I hadn't realized that this was needed. Now I know it. :)

Thanks for all of the updates! I'm sure there are many more where that came from.No problem, thanks for having double-checked and added informations about the buildings I had mentionned. By the way, talking about this, most of the tallest skyscrapers in the Paris area are actually located in various inner suburbs. Those suburbs are very numerous and very small in size. Wouldn't there be a way to advise people researching diagrams for Paris to check diagrams for the whole Ile-de-France region ? I'm sure that most people checking the Paris diagrams aren't aware about the fact La Défense isn't located in the city proper of Paris.

I know that the French administrative communes are very unusual, because of their number and their small size. I believe that's the reason why some buildings were wrongly located. The Paris contiguously built-up urban area is divided in no less than 400 municipalities, this doesn't help to make its highrise visible. :(

[Metropolitan]

Sorry LMich, but I just checked and there are two other corrections to make. I'm sorry I haven't posted these earlier :


Mykerinos :
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=49249

The name of the building is Mykerinos and not Mykernios. I've doubted about this as Emporis also mentions it as "Mykernios", but obviously this is simply a mistake which repeated itself. Mykerinos is more logic anyway since that's the French spelling of the Pyramid in Gizah.


Novotel Paris Tour Eiffel :
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=3290

Well, that one is even more sound since the building is indeed named "Novotel Paris Tour Eiffel" and not "Novotel Paris Tour Eiffle". ;)

[LMich]

Quite an update that was. This is finished.

To see all of the structures of Metropolitan Paris simply type in "Ile-de-France" on the diagrams page where is asks your for "state." Paris is not all that rare or unusual. Both New York City and Los Angeles includes considerable high-rises districts outside of their city boundaries, as well, and their metropolitan areas are also made up of hundreds of small villages and towns (particularly Los Angeles). The only difference in Paris is that the main Central Business District lies outside of the city's boundaries.

[Metropolitan]

Quite an update that was. This is finished.

To see all of the structures of Metropolitan Paris simply type in "Ile-de-France" on the diagrams page where is asks your for "state." Paris is not all that rare or unusual. Both New York City and Los Angeles includes considerable high-rises districts outside of their city boundaries, as well, and their metropolitan areas are also made up of hundreds of small villages and towns (particularly Los Angeles). The only difference in Paris is that the main Central Business District lies outside of the city's boundaries.Thanks LMich. :tup:

Well, the territory of NYC represents still 785 km² and the territory of LA 1,215 km². On the other side, Paris represents only 87 km². What's so specific in Paris is that the very core of the city exceeds its administrative boundaries.

Anyway, LMich, the diagrams for the Tour TDF du Fort de Romainville and for the Tour Sequoia doesn't appear anymore now that you have changed their location. Is it possible to put back their diagrams ? :shrug:

[LMich]

No. What I'd advise you to do is to private message those illustrators and simply let them know that they need to upload their drawings to the new entry.

As for Paris, I guess a better comparison, area-wise, would be San Francisco or Washington D.C. which make up a very small percent of their urban area.

[Metropolitan]

As for Paris, I guess a better comparison, area-wise, would be San Francisco or Washington D.C. which make up a very small percent of their urban area.I'm sorry, but I beg to differ, France is a unique case in the world when it goes about this. Here are the land area of some municipalities in the Paris area:Municipality Land Area Population (1999) Density

Paris 86.93 km² 2,125,246 24,448 /km²
Boulogne-Billancourt 6.17 km² 106,367 17,239 /km²
Montreuil 8.92 km² 90,674 10,165 /km²
Nanterre 12.19 km² 84,281 6,914 /km²
Saint-Denis 12.36 km² 85,832 6,944 /km²
Créteil 11,46 km² 82,154 7,169 /km²
Asnières-sur-Seine 4.82 km² 75,837 15,734 /km²
Courbevoie 4.17 km² 69,694 16,713 /km²
Aubervilliers 5.76 km² 63,136 10,961 /km²
Neuilly-sur-Seine 3.73 km² 59,848 16,045 /km²
Levallois-Perret 2.41 km² 54,700 22,697 /km²
Issy-les-Moulineaux 4.25 km² 52,647 12,388 /km²
Vincennes 1.91 km² 43,595 22,825 /km²
Puteaux 3.19 km² 40,780 12,784 /km²
Les Lilas 1.26 km² 20,226 16,052 /km²
And there are 400 municipalities like that in the Paris urban area and 1,500 municipalities like that in the Paris metro area. With 36,000 municipalities, I wouldn't be surprized actually if there were more municipalities in France than in the whole USA.

Just as a comparison, here are some of municipalities in the Bay area :
Municipality Land Area Population (1999) Density

San Jose 452.90 km² 953,679 1,976 /km²
San Francisco 121.00 km² 798,680 6,115 /km²
Oakland 145.20 km² 411,755 2,751 /km²
Richmond 77.60 km² 103,818 1,338 /km²
Berkeley 45.90 km² 102,743 3,793 /km²
Alameda 59.50 km² 72,259 1,131 /km²
As you can see, municipalities in the Paris area are about 10 times smaller than in the Bay area. And this isn't due to the fact they are small and far from each other, they represent a largely more densely populated urban environment than anything you can find in the USA outside the city proper of NYC.

If you really want a decent comparison between Paris and a city in the US, here's one. Let's imagine NYC is only Manhattan and that the outer boroughs (Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn) would each be divided in 40 municipalities, with about 250 other municipalities in the urban area, and 1,100 other municipalities in the metro area. If NYC would be this way, then it would indeed be a good comparison with Paris. ;)