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Old Posted May 20, 2013, 10:55 PM
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The ones in the Beverly Hills store were made by Lalique, but some of them mysteriously "disappeared" after the chain closed in the '90s. Saks recovered some of them. I represented Saks at the time and heard stories of how much trouble they went to to chase them down so they could be re-installed in the store after it was converted into an extension of the main Saks store on Wilshire in Beverly Hills.

I feel your pain. In the late '60s, Bullock's Wilshire bought and put into storage the Lalique light fixtures and Frederick Sage wrought iron balustrades that were being sold off from the Oviatt Building and its penthouse. Ten years later, the new owners of the Oviatt Building repurchased the balustrades from Bullock's, but couldn't afford to buy back the Lalique chandeliers and sconces. Bullock's Wilshire ended up installing those fixtures inside its store.

Macy's acquired Bullock's. In 1993, as the Wilshire store closed, Macy's took the Oviatt Lalique chandeliers out of the Bullock's Wilshire building and installed one of them in I. Magnin's flagship store in San Francisco. (The other chandelier ended up in the Bay Area home of a top I. Magnin executive. Hmmm.) The Los Angeles Conservancy then raised a ruckus, and ONE Oviatt chandelier was returned to Bullock's Wilshire. (Guess which one? Hint: it wasn't hanging in the executive's house.) In any case, the returned chandelier has since disappeared.

Photos of the 1928 Lalique chandeliers and sconce from the Oviatt Building. Some of you might remember having seen these inside Bullock's Wilshire:









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Old Posted May 20, 2013, 11:00 PM
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http://www.flickr.com/groups/1433515@N21/

This is a Flickr group devoted to the I. Magnin chain.
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Old Posted May 20, 2013, 11:16 PM
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Did you get any pictures of the whole tree? It'd be nice to see something other than the murky GSV images.

Yup. Was there yesterday for the weekend Bug Festival at the Natural History Museum. (I have a four-year-old daughter, so....)

Notice the odd "slenderizing" high up on the trunk.

And here's a clear, easy-to-read image of the plaque in front of the palm. Eloquent, no?





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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 12:41 AM
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Notice the odd "slenderizing" high up on the trunk.

From other angles, I can actually make out two slender areas. I think they may correspond to the slowed periods of growth that took place after each transplanting. The slender area you indicated with the arrows was probably the one that resulted from the 1914 re-planting. My guess, anyway.
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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 3:08 AM
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Echo Park 1928

H All--
I'm a newbie to this thread--just found it a couple of days ago while looking for info. on the Young Apartments on Grand. Gotta say this site is wonderful! I'm from the OC but my mother was an L.A. girl. She lived in an apartment on Laguna on the west side of the park. My oldest sister was baptized at old St. Athanasius before it became the cathedral center for the Episcopal Diocese. My grandmother lived there until the mid-70's--I still remember the paddle boats!

This is a photo of my mom (on the right) and her cousin at the park in 1928. Must have been cold that day!


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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 6:39 PM
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From other angles, I can actually make out two slender areas. I think they may correspond to the slowed periods of growth that took place after each transplanting. The slender area you indicated with the arrows was probably the one that resulted from the 1914 re-planting. My guess, anyway.
That's a very interesting explanation for the two indented areas. Does it mean that growth has slowed as the tree has aged? The last 99 years looks to only account for a little over 1/3 of the height.

I read on one of the palm tree care sites that "pinching" such as this is caused by episodes of over-trimming

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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 8:01 PM
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An update on my post from yesterday, I've found one address for a Lyon Storage warehouse, thanks to this 1915 photo...



(Source: http://liveauctions.holabirdamerican...graph_i9800888)

I'm still trying to confirm that the address goes with the building I found, but it's looking promising. All the other addresses I've come across for the business seem to be storefronts, not warehouses. Any tips anyone has for me are still welcome.
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Gower Gulch....Hollywood

Here are some Gower Gulch Hollywood cowboys hanging out near a movie studio or casting company hoping for some day-work in a Western film. This was a constant sight near studios in the golden age of the movies ...circa 1935. You had to be dressed for the part and ready to ride. Gower St. is on the western side of Paramount Studios. In the 1930s the doors on that side open to the studio Casting Offices. A day's work...$5

Indeed, John Wayne, Gene Autry and Roy Rogers all got their start in this neighborhood as did director John Ford.


Source: Found on my old Hollywood CD

Here is a link to a previous Noirish post about Gower Gulch:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3394obucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/PRC_Studios_zps36627272.jpg[/IMG]

Sunset & Gower ...August, 2013 & 1935, both photos look south from Sunset Blvd.

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Old Posted May 22, 2013, 12:24 AM
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An update on my post from yesterday, I've found one address for a Lyon Storage warehouse, thanks to this 1915 photo...



(Source: http://liveauctions.holabirdamerican...graph_i9800888)

I'm still trying to confirm that the address goes with the building I found, but it's looking promising. All the other addresses I've come across for the business seem to be storefronts, not warehouses. Any tips anyone has for me are still welcome.
I remember there used to be a Lyons Storage near the Exposition Blvd on ramp to the northbound Harbor Freeway. It may have been near 37th Street and next to a Bekins storage.

Once I was looking on the LAPL website at either aerial photographs of the Coliseum/USC or possibly the Globe factory (Jefferson and Hill) and I thought I remember seeing the Lyons storage building in the background.
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Thanks, bighen, I'll check those out.
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Old Posted May 22, 2013, 12:41 AM
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Not exactly noirish, but somewhat related.



This was posted on the Wilshire Grand project's facebook page today. Described as "dismantling a vintage street lamp."

Around when were these installed, if anyone knows?
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Old Posted May 22, 2013, 5:51 AM
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Hi Guys-

I'm trying to track down the location of this storage building I found on calisphere, dated 1928:



I've been searching some of the city business directories for the company, Lyons Van & Storage, but I could be wasting my time. They seem to have had locations all up and down the coast.

ETA: I've also tried newspapers, hoping for an advertisement. So far I just get the company name and no location or phone number.

Do any of you have other suggestions of places/ways I could try to find out where the building was at? Thanks!
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An update on my post from yesterday, I've found one address for a Lyon Storage warehouse, thanks to this 1915 photo...



(Source: http://liveauctions.holabirdamerican...graph_i9800888)

I'm still trying to confirm that the address goes with the building I found, but it's looking promising. All the other addresses I've come across for the business seem to be storefronts, not warehouses. Any tips anyone has for me are still welcome.
Could your building be in San Diego at 5th Avenue and K Street? Check out the photo in the lower right corner on page 12 of the pdf document at the link below (page 108 of the original document). It looks like a photo of the other end of your building, which had five columns of windows instead of three. In your photo (from the San Diego Historical Society/History Center) at ground level we see two loading docks, then four windows that are mostly obscured by a railroad car. In the linked photo, we see four windows then the loading docks. The pattern of windows on the upper floors also seems to match in both photos.

http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...51-3_gould.pdf

If you Google StreetView 5th Avenue and K Street in San Diego, you'll see the same view of the now-repurposed building as in the link; the end of the building with five columns of windows and two flagpoles on the roof.
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Old Posted May 22, 2013, 11:55 AM
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Ooh! Yes, that does look like it! Thanks sooooo much, Flyingwedge. In searching for the company nothing much was coming up in San Diego, and since it appeared they were based in L.A. I just focused my searching there (despite realizing the photo made it into the archives via SD). You've just saved me a TON of researching and hitting my head against metaphorical brick walls. Thanks again!
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Awesome! It's still there...


(Image from Google Street View)

The paint they used to put Lyon on the side is apparently VERY indelible.
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Not exactly noirish, but somewhat related.



This was posted on the Wilshire Grand project's facebook page today. Described as "dismantling a vintage street lamp."

Around when were these installed, if anyone knows?
blackcat: These lamps were known as the Wilshire Specials, installed from downtown to Fairfax in the late '20s in conjunction with the widening of the boulevard and the moving of utilities underground. See http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13148 but there are a number of posts on them--just do a search with "Wilshire Specials" or "Wilshire Special" (using quotes) in the search box. Most are gone but many do still stand in the stretch of WB from about Figueroa to MacArthur Park.
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Sarah Bixby Smith gives some hints as to the routes of the early cars in Chapter XI, Adobe Days, 1931:

"In those days [the 1870s] two streetcar lines meandered, the one way out to Agricultural Park (Exposition), a large bare space with a few old eucalyptus trees, and the grand stand beside the race track; the other south on Spring to Fifth, up Fifth to Olive and around the corner of the park to Sixth, and then up to Pearl, the name of Figueroa Street, north of Pico, where the bend is. Each line boasted two cars so that simultaneous trips in opposite directions were possible. The cars were very small and drawn by mules; there was no separate conductor; we put our tickets - bought at the neighborhood drug store - into a glass box near the door. It is told on the Main Street line [to Agricultural Park] it was the custom for the driver on late trips to stop the car, wind the reins around the brake handles, and escort lone lady passengers to their front doors."


I hope this helps someone to identify the location. I do not recognize the buildings as being on Pershing Square. Perhaps the empty, fenced space is Agricultural Park?


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More from Nathan Masters: http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...t-suburbs.html

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"In Los Angeles, the Spring and Sixth Street Railway began operating horse drawn streetcars July 1, 1874, created by Robert M. Widney, a real estate promoter. Its route was from the Plaza on Main to Spring to 1st to Fort (Broadway) to 4th to Hill to 6th to Pearl (Figueroa). The single track, narrow gauge railway opened for service with one car. Its barn was at the corner of 6th & Figueroa. Business was good, a second car was soon in service. In November 1874 the line was extended to what is now N. Spring and Alameda, on March 1876 it was extended to East Los Angeles (now Lincoln Heights) via San Fernando St. (N. Spring) and Downey Ave. (N. Broadway) to Gates St. By August 1878 a line was completed via the Plaza, Olvera, Macy, Alameda to San Fernando St.

The Main Street & Agricultural Park Street Railroad was chartered by bankers John G. Downey, Ozro W. Childs, John Griffin, F.P.F. Temple, William Brodrick, Isaias W. Hellman and William Workman. The initial portion of the line opened with two cars in July 1875. Tracks were extended to Agricultural Park via Washington, Pearl (Figueroa), and Santa Monica Avenue (Exposition Blvd.) the following summer."

http://www.railswest.com/citystreetrailways.html
Hey thanks! I haven't found where that photo was taken yet, but I'm still looking.
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H All--
I'm a newbie to this thread--just found it a couple of days ago while looking for info. on the Young Apartments on Grand. Gotta say this site is wonderful! I'm from the OC but my mother was an L.A. girl. She lived in an apartment on Laguna on the west side of the park. My oldest sister was baptized at old St. Athanasius before it became the cathedral center for the Episcopal Diocese. My grandmother lived there until the mid-70's--I still remember the paddle boats!

This is a photo of my mom (on the right) and her cousin at the park in 1928. Must have been cold that day!

Welcome to the thread Mstimc. That's a interesting little photograph. Was it hand colored? I see hints of yellow and blue.
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I hope we haven't covered this before . . . I don't recognize this picture, or either of these two buildings.



CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...R6SKCL18IL.jpg

There is no additional information with the photo, other than a date of c. 1875.

Does any of this look familiar to anyone?
Flyingwedge, I saw your photograph right before I left town for a few days and I've been ruminating about the location ever since.
I thought the vacant area could be Pershing Square, but the building on the right is so unique (and wonderful) that I think one of us would have recognized it.

Perhaps the photograph was taken in Los Angeles County but in a different municipality (remember...there are 88 cities in L.A. County!).
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Welcome to the thread Mstimc. That's a interesting little photograph. Was it hand colored? I see hints of yellow and blue.
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Thanks for the welcome! I wish I could have made the picture larger--there's a great view of the fountain in the background. Its a black and white photo for some reason the scanner decided to add color. I also have a picture of my mother in her wedding gown in front of the old St. Joseph's church at 6th and Los Angeles, but you can't see too much of that wonderful old place.

I'm one of those people who drive their wives and families nuts; when I see an interesting building I always stop and read the information plaques and slow down everybody else.

In the late 1970's/early 80's, I had a job near Vermont and Hoover and fell in love with L.A. past and present.
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H All--
I'm a newbie to this thread--just found it a couple of days ago while looking for info. on the Young Apartments on Grand. Gotta say this site is wonderful! I'm from the OC but my mother was an L.A. girl. She lived in an apartment on Laguna on the west side of the park. My oldest sister was baptized at old St. Athanasius before it became the cathedral center for the Episcopal Diocese. My grandmother lived there until the mid-70's--I still remember the paddle boats!

This is a photo of my mom (on the right) and her cousin at the park in 1928. Must have been cold that day!


Welcome mstimc. I see the photo of your mom at Echo Park and her home on Laguna are my old home grounds. I assume based on these details that she would have attended nearby Logan Street School. And if that is true, if there may have been any photos of the school in her possessions. If there are I'd be your new best friend forever...at least for a week or so.
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