Idea: Replace Canada with "Canadian Union"?

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by drew

Stephen Harper was PM for the 10 or so years preceding JT. This seems like the west enjoyed plenty of years with Harper at the helm to get these some of these "western Canada" causes worked out.

What is interesting to me is that both Trudeau and Notley came into power during the free fall of the global oil prices (especially unlucky for Notley).

There should be a chart comparing the recent rise "western alienation" as it relates to global oil prices. I think there may be a statistical correlation.

It seems to me like the political "left" or "central/east" Canada is more of a convenient scapegoat for a sustained period of low oil prices more than anything else.

The same thing happened in the early 80s. Oil prices collapsed, and Albertans blamed Trudeau I's National Energy Program for the recession that followed. Ironically, the NEP would have built pipelines all over Canada, and they'd have no capacity issues today if we did have a nationalized energy company.

The amount of times Albertans seem to play themselves is both hilarious and annoying.....

[Acajack]

In 2011 the HarperCons won a majority government with only 5 seats in all of Quebec, even though we are close to a quarter of the country's population.

We made our own choice that year, which was to go with the Orange Wave, and we lived with it. There was some dismay that the ROC didn't really grasp the hand that we thought we were extending to them to build a more progressive Canada under Jack Layton, but there was nothing on the level of the rage that is coming out of AB-SK these days.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Acajack

In 2011 the HarperCons won a majority government with only 5 seats in all of Quebec, even though we are close to a quarter of the country's population.

We made our own choice that year, which was to go with the Orange Wave, and we lived with it. There was some dismay that the ROC didn't really grasp the hand that we thought we were extending to them to build a more progressive Canada under Jack Layton, but there was nothing on the level of the rage that is coming out of AB-SK these days.

Good point. Quebec has its own annoying self-obsessed traits, but it has never gone so far as to demand the ability to choose the federal government. Because that's basically what Alberta is doing with its whinging about the rest of Canada not opting for Scheer's platform which was rejected outside of the prairies and parts of rural Ontario and BC.

Maybe Kenney and Moe should be harping on Scheer to get some better advisers who know how to appeal to the rest of the country.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by esquire

Good point. Quebec has its own annoying self-obsessed traits, but it has never gone so far as to demand the ability to choose the federal government. Because that's basically what Alberta is doing with its whinging about the rest of Canada not opting for Scheer's platform which was rejected outside of the prairies and parts of rural Ontario and BC.

Maybe Kenney and Moe should be harping on Scheer to get some better advisers who know how to appeal to the rest of the country.

As you probably know, the fact that people here are resigned to not being able to dictate the direction of the country as they'd like, is actually one of the drivers of the Quebec separatist movement.

[Acajack]

Of course, no thread on Western alienation/separatism would be complete without the one, the only.... Ezra Levant, ladies and gentlemen!

Quebec separatism was always fake, but Alberta's #Wexit separatism isn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRlY...fzUFYSoqwo53B4

[esquire]

^ Life's too short to listen to anything that guy has to say.

[technomad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Of course, no thread on Western alienation/separatism would be complete without the one, the only.... Ezra Levant, ladies and gentlemen!

Quebec separatism was always fake, but Alberta's #Wexit separatism isn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRlY...fzUFYSoqwo53B4

the #wexit tag really needs to die quickly. the brits haven't done anything worthy of emulation in over 100 years...

#WestSec, please

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Life's too short to listen to anything that guy has to say.

careful esquire, if xelebes sees you making anti-semitic comments like that, it will get quite upset

[Chadillaccc]

[samne]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Snowflakes and drama queens. Just one term with Trudeau and they lost their goddamned minds.

Meanwhile, Harper had three terms, during which he mocked the concept of Dutch Disease while Ontario manufacturing was getting savaged from a high dollar, attacked the Premier of Ontario, and changed equalization to reduce payments to Ontario. How many Ontarians ranted about breaking up the country?

There's no "Western alienation", just a bunch of assholes who believe confederation means the rest of Canada should vote for their favourite party and that the federal government exists to ram infrastructure down the throats of neighbouring provinces and First Nations. The Conservatives cater to their "Alberta Uber Alles" philosophy, so they're upset when the ROC doesn't vote blue into power.

The Great Recession was happening almost everywhere else in Canada. Oil was nosing up to $100/barrel, Alberta claiming their good fortunes were a result of Good ol fashion prairie hard work and know-how.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by samne

The Great Recession was happening almost everywhere else in Canada. Oil was nosing up to $100/barrel, Alberta claiming their good fortunes were a result of Good ol fashion prairie hard work and know-how.

All while shitting on Ontario and having their Alberta conservative elite label anyone who called out Dutch Disease as unpatriotic. Harper did far more damage to Ontario in that time period than Trudeau has done to Alberta today. But apparently we're "shitting on Alberta" for not voting in a federal government who will ram a pipeline down the throats of BC.

Heck, we might have voted in the party they wanted if they actually had a platform that appealed to us. But the CPC is basically all Alberta, all oil, all the time. Now why would someone in Mississauga or Windsor or Kanata vote for that? They're mad that we didn't vote in Alberta's regional party to represent Ontario?

[ssiguy]

I would rather the country just split up than become a bunch of fiefdoms.

National defense, national debt, external affairs, the environment {GGH don't respect boundaries}, immigration, language laws and accessibility, Native peoples, air travel, ports and St.lawrence Seaway, currency, banking and financial institutions, interest rates, international boundaries, foreign aid, G7 deisqualification, international treaties, trade, citizenship, national parks, historic, and cultural landmarks, and institutions.............the list is endless.

Canada's conferation already has a relatively weak federal government but they still effect huge amounts of our political, social, economic, and cultural life.

[Chadillaccc]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

All while shitting on Ontario and having their Alberta conservative elite label anyone who called out Dutch Disease as unpatriotic. Harper did far more damage to Ontario in that time period than Trudeau has done to Alberta today. But apparently we're "shitting on Alberta" for not voting in a federal government who will ram a pipeline down the throats of BC.

Heck, we might have voted in the party they wanted if they actually had a platform that appealed to us. But the CPC is basically all Alberta, all oil, all the time. Now why would someone in Mississauga or Windsor or Kanata vote for that? They're mad that we didn't vote in Alberta's regional party to represent Ontario?

Lol I understand what you're saying, to a point, but why are you ragging all over Alberta? It's not like Alberta is the only place in the country with a large proportion of conservative voters. Saskatchewan is the only province with 100% conservative MPs, and Ontario always sends more conservative MPs to Ottawa than Alberta does. Is the directed Alberta hate just to do with Kenney, so you'll paint all 4.3 million people with one brush? Or just to make yourselves feel better about the election of Doug Ford? I don't quite understand. I get that Albertan conservatives in general are fucking idiots, but you seem to be shitting on the entire province.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Lol I understand what you're saying, to a point, but why are you ragging all over Alberta? It's not like Alberta is the only place in the country with a large proportion of conservative voters. Saskatchewan is the only province with 100% conservative MPs, and Ontario always sends more conservative MPs to Ottawa than Alberta does. Is the directed Alberta hate just to do with Kenney, so you'll paint all 4.3 million people with one brush? Or just to make yourselves feel better about the election of Doug Ford? I don't quite understand. I get that Albertan conservatives in general are fucking idiots, but you seem to be shitting on the entire province.

Mostly because I think the Saskatchewanians are too gullible to get to where they are without Albertans riling them up over oil. Let's be honest, Saskatchewan is Alberta's cling-on. They think whatever Albertans tell them to.

[SpongeG]

[dmuzika]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Mostly because I think the Saskatchewanians are too gullible to get to where they are without Albertans riling them up over oil. Let's be honest, Saskatchewan is Alberta's cling-on. They think whatever Albertans tell them to.

Really? If you look at the last 60 years of provincial voting history, there is a stark contrast between Alberta and Saskatchewan. I think the electorate in both provinces are capable of making their own decisions without the other province telling them how to think.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by dmuzika

Really? If you look at the last 60 years of provincial voting history, there is a stark contrast between Alberta and Saskatchewan. I think the electorate in both provinces are capable of making their own decisions without the other province telling them how to think.

60 years is a long time. A third of the history of this country.
Look at a single generation of voters. Say last 30 years. They vote the same.

Also, quite interesting how none of this was an issue in SK while a have not province. Struck some oil and immediately they transform in to little Alberta.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Mostly because I think the Saskatchewanians are too gullible to get to where they are without Albertans riling them up over oil. Let's be honest, Saskatchewan is Alberta's cling-on. They think whatever Albertans tell them to.

And another string of helpful comments from the self-anointed.

[SaskScraper]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

And another string of helpful comments from the self-anointed.

His comments aren't worth the electrons to post a reply on SSP.

Let me guess, Truenorth00 is a pencil pusher saying "Yes Sir, What ever you say Sir! ' in his regular day job, probably somewhere in a mostly public service industry city that relies exclusively on Canadian tax payer funds, like Ottawa or something.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by SaskScraper

His comments aren't worth the electrons to post a reply on SSP.

Let me guess, Truenorth00 is a pencil pusher saying "Yes Sir, What ever you say Sir! ' in his regular day job, probably somewhere in a mostly public service industry city that relies exclusively on Canadian tax payer funds, like Ottawa or something.

Jesus......that sounds like my job!!!!

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

And another string of helpful comments from the self-anointed.

Oooh. Reposting memes. So original.....