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fans that refuse to go to the game because they don't like the stadium? Sounds like bandwagon fans to me
Unlike Regina, ( ) there are other things to do in Winnipeg that compete for the entertainment dollar
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Expect Leo Ledohowski to make a major announcement on his stadium proposal at Polo Park tomorrow.
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In any case, it will be awesome to see all the Sask fans here for Banjo Bowl when the new stadium is built.
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In any case, it will be awesome to see all the Sask fans here for Banjo Bowl when the new stadium is built.
so this is the one you said you had seen?
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Expect Leo Ledohowski to make a major announcement on his stadium proposal at Polo Park tomorrow.
Oh great... I thought we had seen the last of the Headingley Blue Bombers plan...
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I don't want to read too much into this, because I don't know alot.

But the "Headingly Blue Bombers" plan was from 2004, my guess is that Ledohowski wants to bring his plan up to date.

Presumably, we'll see a much better rendering.
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I don't want to read too much into this, because I don't know alot.

But the "Headingly Blue Bombers" plan was from 2004, my guess is that Ledohowski wants to bring his plan up to date.

Presumably, we'll see a much better rendering.
who knows

whats this plan you said you seen few weeks ago?
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Unlike Regina, ( ) there are other things to do in Winnipeg that compete for the entertainment dollar
Bwahah. Such as.....
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Bwahah. Such as.....
I bet you don't have a decent bikini car wash in Regina.
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Bombers seek developers input:
Proposals for new stadium, site redevelopment wanted


Fri Jan 19 2007 | Winnipeg Free Press

By Aldo Santin



THE Winnipeg Blue Bombers will ask the development community for proposals to re-develop the existing St. James Street stadium site in a move to attract plans that can compete with David Asper's stadium offer.
Bomber board chairman Ken Hildahl said the team has hired Number 10 Architectural Group and a major financial consulting firm to set out the terms for the formal expressions of interest.

"We'll give the development community six weeks to submit their proposals," Hildahl said. "We want to see what they propose."

Meanwhile, the Bombers will host a news conference Friday, along with the Red River Exhibition Association and Canad Corp, to release the findings of a two-year-old feasibility study that studied the viability of building a multi-use, entertainment/sports complex at 12 different locations across the city, including the Red River Exhibition site and the St. James Street stadium site.

New drawings have been posted on the Blue Bombers website (www.bluebombers.com, link to Future) of a 33,000-seat stadium with an attached 20-storey hotel and a massive office and retail concept surrounding the new stadium.

Hildahl said the drawing is a teaser to developers, telling them this is what the team came up with and asking them to offer their own versions.
Hildahl said the drawings were posted Sunday, the same day that Asper presented his proposal for a new stadium.

Hildahl said the team board of directors hasn't rejected Asper's proposal, but added they want to make sure they've explored every opportunity to increase the team's revenue stream and ensure it has a stable future.

"What we have (now) is an unsolicited proposal (from Asper) that includes turning over the team for a downpayment on a new stadium," Hildahl said. "Is that good enough? We want to see if there are other ideas out there."

Hildahl said that while Asper's proposal includes terminating the community ownership of the team, the board isn't convinced that that is necessary.

"We've been a community owned team for 76 years," Hildahl said. "We're financially stable so we don't have to change. Do we particularly want to? No. But if a proposal came in that knocked everyone's socks off, then we'd look at (giving up the team)."

Hildahl said there will be no restrictions placed on what the developers can propose but added he hoped he would see proposals that would see either a new or refurbished stadium surrounded by a massive re-development of the site that could include a hotel, a condominium tower or an office tower, along with a major retail and office development. The drawings on the Bombers' website present such a vision, but he added no developer has actually submitted such a proposal.

He said ideally the team would work with a developer, allowing them to build either a condo or hotel tower in exchange for financing the construction of a new stadium and partnering with the team in outside revenue streams through retail operations on the site.

The Bombers' latest move is a strong signal that the team has given up on two-year-old plans to develop a hotel/stadium and water park complex at the Red River Exhibition site. Asper's proposal has drawn criticism over several points, including the demand that he take over the team and that the province and Ottawa contribute $40 million to the construction of a $120-million stadium and give Asper the exclusive right to develop a major retail component on the site. Treasury Board president Vic Toews said earlier this week it's unlikely Ottawa would contribute $40 million to Asper's stadium plan after it's already committed $100 million to the Asper family plan for the Canadian Museum of Human Rights.

The Bomber board's call for proposals is likely an attempt to retain community ownership and find a developer willing to pony up a larger share of a new stadium's construction costs.

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It's a long and strange road to new stadium:
Unlikely allies join forces in debate


Fri Jan 19 2007 | Winnipeg Free Press

BARTLEY KIVES

FOR once, National Post chairman David Asper and Roseau River Chief Terry Nelson have something in common -- neither Manitoban wants to see a new home for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers go up on the former Canada Packers site in St. Boniface.

Two years ago, Asper and Nelson weren't exactly best of buds when the chief took exception to the way the chairman's newspaper covered Canada's indigenous people.

Now, both outspoken individuals are unlikely allies in an unusual tale that involves the Winnipeg Football Club's quest for a new stadium, Roseau River's desire for an urban reserve and -- yes, it gets weirder -- hotelier Leo Ledohowski's indefatigable drive to revitalize underused parcels of land across the city.

Ledohowski's Canad Inns, the Free Press has learned, is one of four developers who want to purchase land in St. Boniface officially called the Public Markets, but better known to the rest of us as the old Canada Packers site.

A few months back, the city put out a call for proposals to redevelop the industrial land, which came available after Roseau River First Nation was forced to withdraw an offer to buy it and turn it into what's officially known as an Aboriginal Economic Development Zone, but better known to the rest of us as an urban reserve.
Roseau River still wants another crack at the land, but the call for proposals has already closed. And one of the parties lined up for the site is Canad Inns.

"I've been told they want to build a stadium there," Nelson said on Thursday, only minutes after Canad Inns, the Bombers and the Red River Exhibition announced plans to unveil a two-year-old feasibility study into plans to build a new home for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

That study will be unveiled on Friday afternoon by Canad Inns president and CEO Ledohowski, Bombers board chairman Ken Hildahl and fellow board member Paul Robson, who also happens to be president and CEO of The Red River Ex.

Most Bomber watchers expect that study to identify up to 12 prospective stadium sites, including the old Canada Packers site (previously rejected by Mayor Sam Katz), the Red River Ex Grounds (vehemently rejected by Katz and Premier Gary Doer) and possibly land adjacent the Winnipeg Convention Centre, which, like Canad Inns Stadium, requires its own multimillion-dollar upgrade.

The study will be released only five days after David Asper showed the Bomber board his own $145-million plan to build a new stadium/retail complex on the site of the existing Canad Inns Stadium. And that's fascinating, considering the way Winnipeg's news media have clamoured to see this document for months.

In the past, Bombers president and CEO Lyle Bauer repeatedly said the study was in the hands of Katz and Doer, so they are the ones who should release it. Katz and Doer, in turn, said that task belonged to the Bombers, who commissioned it.

Doer, however, had some latitude to release the document, because he helped pay for it -- a federal-provincial body called the Canada-Manitoba Economic Partnership Agreement contributed $125,000 toward the study in December 2004.

But that's less interesting than the fact the Bomber board is finally eager to unveil its findings now that Asper has made a splash of his own. "The fan reaction has been overwhelmingly positive to our proposal," the media mogul said on Thursday. "While other developers are certainly free to have their own views regarding the location, my view is clear."

Contrary to popular belief, the Bombers' options are relatively limited when it comes to the new stadium's look and location. For starters, Katz and Doer have the final say on whatever location the football club chooses, thanks to a city-provincial stakeholders' committee set up seven years ago to oversee the team's financial operations when it was drowning in debt.

Several Bomber board members unilaterally dissolved that committee in 2006, but Katz has refused to recognize its dissolution and Doer has backed up the mayor. So it actually matters that Katz -- who owns most of the Winnipeg Goldeyes, it must be noted -- prefers to see David Asper buy the community-owned Blue Bombers as part of a plan to build a new stadium.

The other limiting option is the MTS Centre, whose mere existence precludes the possibility of the Bombers building a stadium with a dome or other form of complete cover.

The original funding agreement in 2003 between the True North Project, the province and the city prevents Doer, Katz and future politicians from pouring any funds into a domed stadium or arena within 100 kilometres of the City of Winnipeg until 2029.

This non-competition clause applies to any building that could be used for "sporting and entertainment events similar to those hosted in (the former) Winnipeg Arena," which means any new domed stadium could play host only to the Canadian Football League -- but could not book rock concerts, tractor pulls, trade shows or anything else a brand-new, $100-million-plus stadium must have in order to generate the revenue it needs to survive.

Of course, both the Bomber board/Red River Ex/Canad Inns plan and the David Asper proposal also require tens of millions in public funds. And that's where both proposals look sort of iffy, at least as of this moment.

David Asper wants $40 million from both the province and feds. Doer says that's possible, but senior Manitoba MP and treasury board boss Vic Toews isn't ready to play ball. The Bombers' own plan likely requires even more public money, up to $115 million, if previously released cost projections remain relevant.

But the fact is, construction costs are rising by the day, along with the likely price tag for any new football stadium. If I was a betting man, I'd almost be willing to wager Terry Nelson gets his urban reserve before Winnipeg gets a new football stadium.

But stranger things have happened and will again.

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By ROSS ROMANIUK, STAFF REPORTER | Winnipeg Sun | Fri, January 19, 2007

David Asper has made his pitch for a new stadium for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Today, Winnipeggers will find out what other options -- if any -- exist for the team.

Following more than two years of keeping the public waiting and wondering, the CFL team will join the Red River Exhibition Association and Canad Corp. in releasing the findings of a study they had jointly conducted into the feasibility of a new or upgraded stadium.

Blue Bombers chairman Ken Hildahl refused to tip his hand on whether the $250,000 report -- written by accounting firm Meyers Norris Penny -- makes any firm recommendations for the future of the 54-year-old Canad Inns Stadium or a possible facility to replace it.

'NOT FIRM PROPOSAL'

"It's not a firm proposal of any kind. It's just another possible potential direction. And it's not site-specific. It's just looking at the economics of a facility overall," Hildahl said yesterday, suggesting he's pumped about giving Bombers fans and the public more to talk about.


"Every time we put another issue on the table to discuss, I think that's really positive for the club and the fans."

When the study was announced in December 2004, its proponents pointed to the potential for a $165-million stadium in addition to a Canad Inns hotel and water park at Red River Exhibition Park.

But up to a dozen sites for a possible new 40,000-seat stadium were looked at in the probe, for which half of the $250,000 tab was picked up by taxpayers.

Hildahl refused to give details on locations considered, though he said the former Canada Packers site and Point Douglas in general were on the list "in a very peripheral way," as well as the Maroons Road property.

Asper's Polo Park plan -- which includes a move for the team to private ownership -- was made public last Sunday. He said yesterday he's not concerned about competing proposals.

"I hope that whatever the news is (today) doesn't delay the process," said the executive vice-president of CanWest Global Communications Corp., who wants to throw $40 million of his own into the $120-million project.

Mayor Sam Katz said only that he wants "to hear what they have to say" about other possibilities for the team, whose 29,500-seat stadium is seen as cramped and antiquated.
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Seriously, that idiot Terry Nelson is a fucking troublemaker and does nothing to benefit his people! According to him, the entire city of Winnipeg belongs to the aborigional people. That's never going to happen. He is sticking his nose in almost every major proposal in Winnipeg just to say "well, we have a right to this land too". He's doing the same thing concerning the Kapyong Barracks area. Isn't there already plans for one urban reserve in the city? How many do you need?

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Seriously, that idiot Terry Nelson is a fucking troublemaker and does nothing to benefit his people! According to him, the entire city of Winnipeg belongs to the aborigional people. That's never going to happen. He is sticking his nose in almost every major proposal in Winnipeg just to say "well, we have a right to this land too". He's doing the same thing concerning the Kapyong Barracks area. Isn't there already plans for one urban reserve in the city? How many do you need?
Apparently one can never have too many..

On a side note, I don't think Chief Nelson has enough money to pull off something on this scale. From what I recall they abandoned the Packers site because they couldn't afford the $2 million needed for the site clean up.

I'm also reasonably sure that his proposal requires slot machine revenue, although I could be wrong.
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Bomber Feasibility report say a fixed roof facility is recommended. Site is not specified but revealed 12 sites around the city. Will be in the report on the Bombers web site.

Canad has the same proposal as before but with a fixed roof. $276 mil, hotel, water park, would require approx 150 acres. Canad would fund the hotel and water park for $50 mil.
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I thought a fixed roof is a no-no, due to the deal cut by Mark Chipman with his lovechild, the MTS Centre?

Anyways, $276 million = a large amount of goverment funding, which in my opinion simply won't happen, due to the exceptionally large committment by the Feds to the Human Rights Musuem ($100 million upfront with a $12-13 million dollar annual operating budget).

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a new stadium, but I think the Bomber's proposal screams pipedream. Remember the stadium Regina had played around with ...I am very ignorant of the details, besides the fact that it looked like a white washed Caesar's Palace - With the point of the matter being that it was big and grand, and never came close to happening. I think such will be the case with this project. Unfortunately.

David Aspers plan, if the funding was re-arranged (ie: more private and zero federal) I would be more optimistic.

$276 million for a complex that will host 10, and potentially 11 games a year, plus MAYBE 2 events, totally 12 or 13 events seems rather excessive, no?

I'll continue to hope for the best, but I'm not holding my breath on this one.
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^it will never, ever be funded privately...a stadium with no roof in particular generates no revenue, so finding someone to gift 80 million dollars to the city will be impossible.

as it is, asper's contribution is essentially for a shopping mall...that is where his profit is and why he is willing to provide that money.

the fixed roof has its problems, but combined with the red river ex (wherever that is) it could be used 150 nights per year...this is why the feasibility study recommends a dome....it is the only way to make it more than a 9 day a year facility.

i dont love domes, and i think both proposals would be a gross misuse of public funds, but the dome would make a profit in its operations in the long run...that was the conclusion....an open air stadium will not....the dome opens it up for so many more events...but then of course there is the conflict with the money losing convention centre.
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Canad has the same proposal as before but with a fixed roof.
it is completely different...i reduced the saturation on the drawings in photoshop...cant you tell?
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