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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 7:58 PM
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The Strip is plain obnoxious. Downtown Vegas is a little more tolerable and reminds me how Vegas probably was back in it's heyday in the 60's. As for living there, Not a fan of Vegas proper but I can see the appeal of Henderson for retirees; it's certainly much cheaper than living in LA, there are some really nice neighborhoods and still pretty close to LA; it's an easy drive there via the 15 via Barstow/ Victorville and SWA has flights to pretty much anywhere.
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The Strip is plain obnoxious. Downtown Vegas is a little more tolerable and reminds me how Vegas probably was back in it's heyday in the 60's. As for living there, Not a fan of Vegas proper but I can see the appeal of Henderson for retirees; it's certainly much cheaper than living in LA, there are some really nice neighborhoods and still pretty close to LA; it's an easy drive there via the 15 via Barstow/ Victorville and SWA has flights to pretty much anywhere.
Call me crazy but I love the strip! LOL... I have had great times there. Another place I really love is Boulder City. I hope to make more money soon to buy some jet skis. If things go in the right direction, I will be in the market for a home and I'm thinking of the Lake Mead area or Summerlin.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 8:29 PM
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I can't imagine spending more than a day in Las Vegas. But that's just me. The last time I was there was in 2006, and it was to go to a wedding. I really don't care for Vegas.

I used to work with someone who would actually vacation there, like spend a week there. That totally shocked me.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 8:55 PM
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Las Vegas BLVD. needs subterranean HRT along with an extended monorail system even if it is redundant. Both of these lines should extended from the airport to DTLV and tie into a new transit hub connecting a citywide LRT network along with a return of the Desert Wind line. If Virgin pulls off their ambitions, which I am skeptical of, than that should tie into DTLV as well. Seems like the ball is being dropped here.

I-15 in meantime needs to the six lane treatment as a minimum between Barstow and Primm. Even 8 lanes wouldn't be a bad idea maintaining the 8th lane as a truck lane. That and Amtrak bringing back the Desert Wind are projects if started within the next couple years could achieved in under 6 years or so giving a real potential for Las Vegas to build intercity rail.

DTLV is seeing increased investment. I wish it would become a dense hub of skyscrapers. Locations close to Fremont St. would be ideal for a transit hub with a huge parking lot by the World Market being ideal for a large mixed-use development with 50 story towers and a massive rail transit hub. I-515 is getting time for a rebuild and hopefully expansion of about 2-3 additional lanes in each direction. That makes it a good candidate for I-11 signing and incorporating alternate modes of transit for a Las Vegas to Phoenix HSR line down the road. ROW would be preserved for this endeavor which is decades down the line.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 9:36 PM
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I like Vegas. I would live there(under the right...and very specific circumstances).

The housing is terrible though. Look on Zillow. It's so damn weird.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 9:53 PM
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I like Vegas. I would live there(under the right...and very specific circumstances).

The housing is terrible though. Look on Zillow. It's so damn weird.
Phoenix seems the same way? I like the architecture of single family homes in Vegas lol... Especially in Boulder City.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 9:56 PM
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Boulder City is interesting. The lake nearby adds to the appeal.
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Phoenix seems the same way? I like the architecture of single family homes in Vegas lol... Especially in Boulder City.
Oh I have no idea about Phoenix.

My girlfriend was going through the interviewing process with a company in LV a few years ago so we started looking on Zillow to see what the housing cost. The outsides are nice and all, but the insides all look like they were built in 2002 and never touched again.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 10:29 PM
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Las Vegas is Disneyland for young adults with cash to burn. Without the casino-hotels and all they offer, however, Las Vegas is a cheap, ugly, boring, sprawly, tree-less and car-dominated suburban agglomeration, like Phoenix, which is Disneyland for grumpy retirees who hate humidity.

Sacramento is Disneyland for stable, middle-class government jobs. It's mostly boring and bland, especially to a conspicuously elitist Manhattan douche-bro. But unlike Phoenix or Las Vegas, Sacramento has a traditionally urban, historic core and riverfront district, and gridded Victorian, Edwardian, and Craftsman "streetcar suburban" residential districts with commercial strips. The former locomotive works and railyards downtown are being redeveloped into shops, homes and offices. There are two tree-lined rivers, many large green parks, wooded riverside bike trails, and a significant tree canopy over most of the central city that renders walking and biking to work, school, corner stores, bars and restaurants more pleasant and easy than it would be in the tree-less desert cities, were they ever to build such areas.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 10:41 PM
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Las Vegas is Disneyland for young adults with cash to burn. Without the casino-hotels and all they offer, however, Las Vegas is a cheap, ugly, boring, sprawly, tree-less and car-dominated suburban agglomeration, like Phoenix, which is Disneyland for grumpy retirees who hate humidity.

Sacramento is Disneyland for stable, middle-class government jobs. It's mostly boring and bland, especially to a conspicuously elitist Manhattan douche-bro. But unlike Phoenix or Las Vegas, Sacramento has a traditionally urban, historic core and riverfront district, and gridded Victorian, Edwardian, and Craftsman "streetcar suburban" residential districts with commercial strips. The former locomotive works and railyards downtown are being redeveloped into shops, homes and offices. There are two tree-lined rivers, many large green parks, wooded riverside bike trails, and a significant tree canopy over most of the central city that renders walking and biking to work, school, corner stores, bars and restaurants more pleasant and easy than it would be in the tree-less desert cities, were they ever to build such areas.
So your description of cities are that they are Disneyland's for certain personality types and that's that. This completely ignores the fact of what Disneyland is and you are seemingly applying your own view of it and assuming others feel the same.

By your measure it would appear Houston is a Disneyland of O&G workers, Dallas a Disneyland for bland corporate office park crowds, NYC a Disneyland for concrete jungle lovers, oh and Orlando a Disneyland for Disneyland lovers.

Regarding Las Vegas, I only wish you would tell me how you really felt about it.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2019, 10:59 PM
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I'm not into casinos or day clubbing in urine/semen infested pools, and everything else that Vegas offers (food, recreation, entertainment, shows) can be found in many other US cities that aren't 110F outside.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2019, 12:02 AM
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I forgot how some people take everything too literally to handle a literary device. No, not literally fucking Disneyland.

Most everyone reading this knows Las Vegas only as a fun tourist destination where out of towners gather to forget about our day-to-day lives, ignore the news, drink and gamble and dine, maybe read a little and soak up the sun, stay up too late, perhaps ride a roller coaster or take a helicopter tour, take in a show, go for a swim, have a spa day. We don't consider the reliability or coverage of the local transit system, or fret the traffic congestion. We don't worry about how much it costs to run the air conditioner all day while we're there. We're not the ones mopping those lovely marble floors or clearing the dinner tables, who go home to the Las Vegas we never set foot in: the denuded, sun-blanched suburban tracts that comprise the Las Vegas area. It's similar to how visitors experience other tourist destinations, like amusement parks. Like Disneyland.


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Regarding Las Vegas, I only wish you would tell me how you really felt about it.
The constellation of casinos, hotels, restaurants, bars, nightclubs, concerts, comedy clubs, spas, pools, arcades, strip clubs, etc. (I would use the term "The Strip" as shorthand here, but that might be taken literally to mean only Las Vegas Boulevard itself, and not anything even one foot beyond its paved roadbed) is a major perk for people who want any or all of the above available where they live their day-to-day lives. And it's a perk few American cities can match.
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Sacramento is Disneyland for stable, middle-class government jobs. It's mostly boring and bland, especially to a conspicuously elitist Manhattan douche-bro. But unlike Phoenix or Las Vegas, Sacramento has a traditionally urban, historic core and riverfront district, and gridded Victorian, Edwardian, and Craftsman "streetcar suburban" residential districts with commercial strips. The former locomotive works and railyards downtown are being redeveloped into shops, homes and offices. There are two tree-lined rivers, many large green parks, wooded riverside bike trails, and a significant tree canopy over most of the central city that renders walking and biking to work, school, corner stores, bars and restaurants more pleasant and easy than it would be in the tree-less desert cities, were they ever to build such areas.
Sounds like paradise for a married accountant, lawyer, college professor or librarian who wears cardigans, Oxford shirts and penny loafers daily, has 3-4 kids, several pets and drives a Subaru Outback or Prius.

I am none of the above, and actually prefer a non-boring/bland/homogenous city that offers cultural appeal, a unique aesthetic and / or social flair.

So again, Sacramento is far from my cup of tea.
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^ Have you been to Sacramento? There's certainly alot of cultural diversity, I believe it's one of the most diverse and integrated metros in the country. The urban tree canopy is beautiful, and it's got a large continuously walkable area, with the mountains off in the distance. I can see how it's under appreciated.

And dude, oxfords and penny loafers are an east coast/south thing. Preppies are rare west of Chicago, but especially in Sacramento.
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The constellation of casinos, hotels, restaurants, bars, nightclubs, concerts, comedy clubs, spas, pools, arcades, strip clubs, etc. (I would use the term "The Strip" as shorthand here, but that might be taken literally to mean only Las Vegas Boulevard itself, and not anything even one foot beyond its paved roadbed) is a major perk for people who want any or all of the above available where they live their day-to-day lives. And it's a perk few American cities can match.
For me that is Vegas's only perk, and it would get old pretty fast. Vegas is a city built around a tourist trap. It's not that much different from Cancun or Punta Cana, in that it's designed deliberately to keep visitors in one place and locals in another
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I like Sacramento. And not just because it’s been the butt of some of my favorite Arrested Development, Big Mouth, Archer, and It’s Always Sunny jokes.

My brother and family have been living in Davis for 10 years now, and if I can swing the scheduling, we see the Celtics play the Kings every year. The whole metro is pleasant, low-key, and takes advantage of the nearly year-round perfect weather. My wife has fond memories of seeing Old Sacramento as a kid, red horse-drawn fire wagons with water tanks and all.

Of course, we’re all mid and late 30 year olds with kids. None of us would have wanted to be in Sacramento in our 20s. As far as college towns go, Davis gets a straight B from me. The bike paths are great, one abuts my brother’s property. But downtown is just meh in terms of options. It’s no Northampton.

Again, incredible weather though. Every time my brother is ready to leave CA for Seattle or Boston, that weather factor ends up putting plans on pause.
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^ Have you been to Sacramento?
If you read through my previous posts within this thread, you'd already know that answer, as well as my comprehensive affiliation with other cities in the state.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2019, 3:57 AM
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I like Sacramento. And not just because it’s been the butt of some of my favorite Arrested Development, Big Mouth, Archer, and It’s Always Sunny jokes.

My brother and family have been living in Davis for 10 years now, and if I can swing the scheduling, we see the Celtics play the Kings every year. The whole metro is pleasant, low-key, and takes advantage of the nearly year-round perfect weather. My wife has fond memories of seeing Old Sacramento as a kid, red horse-drawn fire wagons with water tanks and all.

Of course, we’re all mid and late 30 year olds with kids. None of us would have wanted to be in Sacramento in our 20s. As far as college towns go, Davis gets a straight B from me. The bike paths are great, one abuts my brother’s property. But downtown is just meh in terms of options. It’s no Northampton.

Again, incredible weather though. Every time my brother is ready to leave CA for Seattle or Boston, that weather factor ends up putting plans on pause.
I've only been to Sacramento a total of 3 or 4 times (driving THROUGH it is another matter, which I've done quite a number of times now), but yeah, it's a pleasant enough place. It does still feel like an overgrown small town though, but with plenty of traffic. I appreciated it decades ago for being the birthplace of Tower Records. My sister's in-laws live in the Sacramento area---Granite Bay, which is actually in Placer County. They have a nice property there.

Since as far back as the late 90s, it's supposed to have a really good food scene. I don't know if other American cities of its size can claim that.

I disagree with you on the weather. The summers there are brutally hot. No, it doesn't get humid there, but it's just like being in the desert during the summer.
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I've driven through Sacramento plenty of times when it was way too hot and humid.

The river and downtown are nice though. Does anybody use the light rail?
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Yes I much enjoy Vegas. Amazing recreation, world class food, entertainment capital of the world, shows on the same level of about any other city, airport with tons of direct flights, little traffic, nice roads, hours from the ocean/Mexico/Sierra's, cheap and great food around the city, cheap housing, low taxes, world class shopping, and I love the desert.

I also love the six lane roads and though that isn't most people's cup of tea here.... if you are into the biking/walking everywhere thing using mass transit DTLV is making great progress on that end and it is only a matter of time before we see more proposals.

If you just aren't down with the vibe to each their own. I love it.
Downtown (i.e central Vegas and Paradise, with Fremont Street and the Strip) is great. Everything else in the Valley is too Sun Belt-ish.
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