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View Poll Results: Do you think Saskatchewan will be the next Alberta?
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its getting there...give it 10 years or so 20 21.74%
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Old Posted May 11, 2007, 5:52 AM
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Do You think Saskatchewan will be the next Alberta?

With the population going back up again, do you think Saskatchewan is starting its "alberta" type of boom?
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Well it's being said that Saskatchewan will finally experience a greater economic gain than Alberta mostly because all the investment has been placed and people are holding off until investments become built and the sort. They're now looking at Saskatchewan because the money shakers are still looking for places to invest.
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And then once they are finished with both Alberta and Saskatchewan, they'll move right on into Manitoba; saving the best for last.

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Sask has just as much, if not more, oil as AB, but why no development? The only reason the pop. is increasing again, is ex Sask folks made their mint in AB, sold their half mil. homes, and returned to reap the cheap housing benefits back in the motherland. Thats my take, anyway, as an ignorant Albertan
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/\ I think there is a bit more to it than that, but there is no doubt Alberta's bounty is playing a large role in the current Sask. boom.
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Sask will likely (and hopefully) continue to improve it's economy but I don't ting you will see growth like you do in Alberta. Despite it's abundant natural resources and potential there are a number of factors that will hold it back IMHO:

1. Rapidly aging population. The average age in Sask is greater than Alberta and growing older at a rapid rate. This is accelerated by the number of young people moving out (if this trend can be reduced or reversed it will help). This will put an ever increasing strain on social services (which are taxpayer funded) meaning higher and higher taxes as the proportion of population that is working shrinks and the financial burden is placed on fewer and fewer workers.

2. Relatively high First Nations population. I believe it's one of the highest per capita populations in Canada. Not to be too negative here but the unemployment rate if very high in this demographic and a lot of them are moving to the larger cities. As in example #1, they put an ever increasing strain on services while contributing very little to payig for these services.

3. The mindset of Sask just does not seem to be condusive to an Alberta style boom. It just seems that people there want to rely on the government to provide for them much more than in Alberta. There is less of an entrepeneurial spirit in Sask it seems. My in laws live there and ALL of them work for the Sask government and are quite happy to do so. One even quite a great private sector job to go work for SaskTel as she didn't like the fact that she had to work OT once in awhile.

I don't mean to paint everone in Sask with the same brush but it's how I see it in general.
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Sask will likely (and hopefully) continue to improve it's economy but I don't ting you will see growth like you do in Alberta. Despite it's abundant natural resources and potential there are a number of factors that will hold it back IMHO:

1. Rapidly aging population. The average age in Sask is greater than Alberta and growing older at a rapid rate. This is accelerated by the number of young people moving out (if this trend can be reduced or reversed it will help). This will put an ever increasing strain on social services (which are taxpayer funded) meaning higher and higher taxes as the proportion of population that is working shrinks and the financial burden is placed on fewer and fewer workers.

2. Relatively high First Nations population. I believe it's one of the highest per capita populations in Canada. Not to be too negative here but the unemployment rate if very high in this demographic and a lot of them are moving to the larger cities. As in example #1, they put an ever increasing strain on services while contributing very little to payig for these services.

3. The mindset of Sask just does not seem to be condusive to an Alberta style boom. It just seems that people there want to rely on the government to provide for them much more than in Alberta. There is less of an entrepeneurial spirit in Sask it seems. My in laws live there and ALL of them work for the Sask government and are quite happy to do so. One even quite a great private sector job to go work for SaskTel as she didn't like the fact that she had to work OT once in awhile.

I don't mean to paint everone in Sask with the same brush but it's how I see it in general.
Replace the word "Saskatchewan" with "Manitoba" and 90% of what you say is also valid for Manitoba. It's all about the mindset of people and the demographics, especially the aging population and the natives.

Let's hope this changes soon.
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Replace the word "Saskatchewan" with "Manitoba" and 90% of what you say is also valid for Manitoba. It's all about the mindset of people and the demographics, especially the aging population and the natives.

Let's hope this changes soon.
Manitoba also lacks Natural Gas, the Oilsands and billions of tons of coal bed methane.
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3. The mindset of Sask just does not seem to be condusive to an Alberta style boom. It just seems that people there want to rely on the government to provide for them much more than in Alberta. There is less of an entrepeneurial spirit in Sask it seems. My in laws live there and ALL of them work for the Sask government and are quite happy to do so. One even quite a great private sector job to go work for SaskTel as she didn't like the fact that she had to work OT once in awhile.
Actually Saskatchewan has the highest rate of small business owners in Canada, per capita. Surprising, but true
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I've heard that Saskatoon considered to be one of 10 cities in North America under 500,000 population to watch out for regarding boom type growth. It is basically the transportation hub for Saskatchewan, on the doorstep to northern mining as far as services go, surrounded by potash mines, headquarters for the world's largest uranium company (Cameco), etc. Saskatchewan is rich in many minerals and a lot of those commodities are starting to climb significantly in value. Uranium is going to be a real hot commodity as China is looking for a secure source to supply several dozens of nuclear power plants that are under construction or being planned.

I can see Saskatchewan doing very well economically if the mindset of the province changes enough to let it happen. When I lived there it seemed a lot of people wanted government control of everything and some would even have liked walls around the province so to speak. Not too much looking at the big picture from what I recall. Saskatchewan absolutely has what it takes for major growth. I doubt you will see Alberta type growth necessarily, but then again believe me, I don't think you would want it to end up like it has here in Calgary. Way too much of a "good thing" IMO.
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Actually Saskatchewan has the highest rate of small business owners in Canada, per capita. Surprising, but true
Probably due to the amount of small towns littering the whole landscape with the lack of any major urban centre in the whole province.
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Probably due to the amount of small towns littering the whole landscape with the lack of any major urban centre in the whole province.
... and all the farmers are considered businesses....

Yet an NDP government??

Saskatchewan has more government than any other province. Sasktel is even still government corp .. come on guys the 80's are over.

Sask needs a good pro-business govenment. That would really help the local business community to develop and expand.
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Sask will likely (and hopefully) continue to improve it's economy but I don't ting you will see growth like you do in Alberta. Despite it's abundant natural resources and potential there are a number of factors that will hold it back IMHO:

1. Rapidly aging population. The average age in Sask is greater than Alberta and growing older at a rapid rate. This is accelerated by the number of young people moving out (if this trend can be reduced or reversed it will help). This will put an ever increasing strain on social services (which are taxpayer funded) meaning higher and higher taxes as the proportion of population that is working shrinks and the financial burden is placed on fewer and fewer workers.

2. Relatively high First Nations population. I believe it's one of the highest per capita populations in Canada. Not to be too negative here but the unemployment rate if very high in this demographic and a lot of them are moving to the larger cities. As in example #1, they put an ever increasing strain on services while contributing very little to payig for these services.

3. The mindset of Sask just does not seem to be condusive to an Alberta style boom. It just seems that people there want to rely on the government to provide for them much more than in Alberta. There is less of an entrepeneurial spirit in Sask it seems. My in laws live there and ALL of them work for the Sask government and are quite happy to do so. One even quite a great private sector job to go work for SaskTel as she didn't like the fact that she had to work OT once in awhile.

I don't mean to paint everone in Sask with the same brush but it's how I see it in general.
i agree with evreything that you are saying.. i am not a fool to belive over infalted nubmers put out by the government..i really dont see sask having a big amazing boom like alberta the ppl arnt here to sustian it.. are population prymid is very stretch.. lots of old ppl.. and lots and lots of kids ... in 20 years when those kids grow up will the have a fluorishing economy to dive into or a over stretched economy with high taxes etc....

i just really think sask will go through a boom but it wont be sask ppl gettin the money forign investors are comming in and gettin the benifits.. like how one person said ask ppl jumped on the alberta housing boom then came back.. yea some did but more alberta ppl NOW are buying up all the homes in sask and gettin even more money in there pockets.. i am a young person im 21 and i live in regina i dont see any oppurtunitys here otehr then its cheap to go to school.. once i have my education im out .. thats hte mindset of many.. nobody plans to grow old here

it seems that sask is stuck in the same rut as atlantic canada .. tehy relied on certin industrys like fishing and manufacting .. but now are in a econmic slump.. sask is still rellying on a dead agriculture industry and i kno the future does look brite for some hybrid spin offs like ethenal and wind power and other junk calvert is saying .. like i dont understand this game plan of sitting on your oil until the price is so skyhigh u qill be swiming in money.. or until alberta runs out reither or is gonna take 20 years.. i really dont kno if we will have 700,000 ppl in 20 years
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i am a young person im 21 and i live in regina i dont see any oppurtunitys here otehr then its cheap to go to school.. once i have my education im out .. thats hte mindset of many.. nobody plans to grow old here
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i agree with evreything that you are saying.. i am not a fool to belive over infalted nubmers put out by the government..i really dont see sask having a big amazing boom like alberta the ppl arnt here to sustian it.. are population prymid is very stretch.. lots of old ppl.. and lots and lots of kids ... in 20 years when those kids grow up will the have a fluorishing economy to dive into or a over stretched economy with high taxes etc....

i just really think sask will go through a boom but it wont be sask ppl gettin the money forign investors are comming in and gettin the benifits.. like how one person said ask ppl jumped on the alberta housing boom then came back.. yea some did but more alberta ppl NOW are buying up all the homes in sask and gettin even more money in there pockets.. i am a young person im 21 and i live in regina i dont see any oppurtunitys here otehr then its cheap to go to school.. once i have my education im out .. thats hte mindset of many.. nobody plans to grow old here

it seems that sask is stuck in the same rut as atlantic canada .. tehy relied on certin industrys like fishing and manufacting .. but now are in a econmic slump.. sask is still rellying on a dead agriculture industry and i kno the future does look brite for some hybrid spin offs like ethenal and wind power and other junk calvert is saying .. like i dont understand this game plan of sitting on your oil until the price is so skyhigh u qill be swiming in money.. or until alberta runs out reither or is gonna take 20 years.. i really dont kno if we will have 700,000 ppl in 20 years

uh, Saskatchewan actually has one of the strongest economies in the country....there is a huge shortage of skilled labour here....there has been sooo many projects cancelled because of a lack of employees. My department has advertised for 10 positions in the last 2 months.
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My department has advertised for 10 positions in the last 2 months.


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Sask will likely (and hopefully) continue to improve it's economy but I don't ting you will see growth like you do in Alberta. Despite it's abundant natural resources and potential there are a number of factors that will hold it back IMHO:

1. Rapidly aging population. The average age in Sask is greater than Alberta and growing older at a rapid rate. This is accelerated by the number of young people moving out (if this trend can be reduced or reversed it will help). This will put an ever increasing strain on social services (which are taxpayer funded) meaning higher and higher taxes as the proportion of population that is working shrinks and the financial burden is placed on fewer and fewer workers.

2. Relatively high First Nations population. I believe it's one of the highest per capita populations in Canada. Not to be too negative here but the unemployment rate if very high in this demographic and a lot of them are moving to the larger cities. As in example #1, they put an ever increasing strain on services while contributing very little to payig for these services.

3. The mindset of Sask just does not seem to be condusive to an Alberta style boom. It just seems that people there want to rely on the government to provide for them much more than in Alberta. There is less of an entrepeneurial spirit in Sask it seems. My in laws live there and ALL of them work for the Sask government and are quite happy to do so. One even quite a great private sector job to go work for SaskTel as she didn't like the fact that she had to work OT once in awhile.

I don't mean to paint everone in Sask with the same brush but it's how I see it in general.
This kind of rhetoric is getting really tiresome. Firstly, Alberta would be in a boom even if it had a Communist government. Klein was probably one of the most innept, albeit charming premiers your province has seen and you still had a boom. If the AB government had planned for that boom at all (with all that oil in the ground, somebody would have guessed it was coming at some point) or had even reacted relatively quickly (ie. if the government had been a little more interventionist- don't faint, keep reading), the boom would be more sustainable. As it is, when the oil is gone, there are going to be problems. Witness the escalating costs of all that infrastructure which was delayed due to "fiscal prudence" despite the obviously growing need. You are now having to build hospitals, roads and transit for 5 times what they would have cost 5 years ago. If they had been built during slower econiomic times as per Keynsian economics, that building would also have helped the economy through those slow times. It also would have meant a larger standing workforce. As it is, the AB government cut when the economy was relatively weak and prices were low and is now forced to build when the economy is overheated and prices are exhorbitant.

Secondly, your point two offers the likely solution to point one. Namely, if we can help the first nations people who wish to integrate, better do so, through education and faccilitation of entry to the work force, they will actually be a huge plus because of their numbers and relative youth. Saskatchewan is sitting on a gold mine of natural and human resources. I only hope we don't screw up in capitalizing on it as badly as Alberta has. BTW, I lived in Calgary for 6 years and there are as many slackers there as there are here. It's just that in Alberta, they all try to take credit for the boom.

I only hope that Saskatchewan can be a little wiser in managing the boom than Alberta has been.
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I hope, we never become like Alberta. Who wants another Texas in Canada, anyways ?
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lol quimby good point lol sask needs to be just sask and keep doing its thing....
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