How do you see Detroit in 20 years? - Page 4

The North One · #61 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 2:44 PM**

LOL more lies, sprawl construction in Detroit is nowhere near what it was in the early 2000's and late 90's, we know this because construction permits are only a fraction of what they were.

I think everybody knows by now not to believe a single word you say, you're a documented compulsive liar.

maru2501 · #62 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 2:49 PM**

the bad news is chicago of 2019 is far and away dominating the region and is drawing in a ton of energy and is only 250 miles away or so.

the good news is the same as above..

being in the orbit of a true global city can be helpful. IMO detroit should do what it's already doing.
concentrate on art, design, boutique advertising, smaller scale tech, craft everything, novel urban practices

it's way cheaper, and that's a plus right now. It has plenty of room to grow and get healthy. and it can draw away some chicago overflow

become the Austin of the midwest eventually

Crawford · #63 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 4:33 PM**

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the bad news is chicago of 2019 is far and away dominating the region and is drawing in a ton of energy and is only 250 miles away or so.

Chicago has nothing to do with Detroit's present fortunes. It's five hours away, and has been the dominant Midwest hegemon for over a century. Chicago, if anything, was even more dominant when Detroit was at its peak.

And Detroit is outperfoming Chicago right now in terms of most recent metro comparables. It generally has better population and economic numbers. Michigan is growing and Illinois is shrinking. Again, it's the auto industry. That will end as soon as a recession hits.

Crawford · #64 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 4:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by The North One

LOL more lies, sprawl construction in Detroit is nowhere near what it was in the early 2000's and late 90's, we know this because construction permits are only a fraction of what they were.

This is a lie.

U.S. Census construction permits:
https://www.census.gov/construction/bps/msamonthly.html

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Originally Posted by The North One

I think everybody knows by now not to believe a single word you say, you're a documented compulsive liar.

And apparently the U.S. Census is complicit on my little scheme. Oh, the irony...

the urban politician · #65 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 4:39 PM**

Chicago's dominance simply should not play any role in Detroit's fortunes, IMO.

That's like saying that New York's dominance is keeping Boston down.

These cities can both do well and even complement each other.

Detroit needs to focus on its own revitalization.

The North One · #66 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 5:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

This is a lie.

U.S. Census construction permits:
https://www.census.gov/construction/bps/msamonthly.html

And apparently the U.S. Census is complicit on my little scheme. Oh, the irony...

You linked to a census search that tells us absolutely nothing, lol what is wrong with you? Honestly? Dropped as a child? If you're gonna troll at least don't insult our intelligence.

Here's last summer:

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August housing permits for single-family home construction decreased 1.8 percent year-over-year. In Southeast Michigan, the drop was even more severe — down nearly 10 percent.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...ws/1459488002/

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The City of Detroit registered the most new residential units permitted in the region with 998. Apartment/loft units accounted for 91 percent of the new units in 2017.

The only places still sprawling are parts of Canton and Macomb, the city had about the same amount of total new constructed units as both of them combined. Your 1 to 50 ratio is way off, nothing but the usual Crawford lala-land fantasy 1984 doublespeak.

PDF Source https://semcog.org/desktopmodules/SE...7April2018.pdf

maru2501 · #67 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Chicago has nothing to do with Detroit's present fortunes. It's five hours away, and has been the dominant Midwest hegemon for over a century. Chicago, if anything, was even more dominant when Detroit was at its peak.

And Detroit is outperfoming Chicago right now in terms of most recent metro comparables. It generally has better population and economic numbers. Michigan is growing and Illinois is shrinking. Again, it's the auto industry. That will end as soon as a recession hits.

glad to know detroit is already outperforming the third largest metro in the country. guess we can close the thread.. lol

the point of the post was that chicago has attracted some creative types who have found it too expensive and bumped to milwaukee or detroit. Already happening..

isaidso · #68 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 8:16 PM**

Perhaps we can refocus the discussion on Detroit rather than whether Chicago or Detroit will do better 2019-2039?

Steely Dan · #69 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 8:18 PM**

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I don't see much in the way of similarities between Cincinnati and Detroit, at all. Cincinnati is a city of very distinct neighborhoods that almost function like their own small towns, with very identifiable business districts and squares. It is a city of hills and valleys, winding streets that follow topography, row houses and 1800s era tenements in the basin/core neighborhoods and detached housing in the outer neighborhoods.

Detroit is a city of huge, wide (overbuilt) boulevards, almost exclusively detached housing and with some impressive multi-family buildings still remaining. As Steely mentioned, it has very little left in the way of intact commercial streets, and certainly doesn't have the strong neighborhood business district focus that Cincy has. It's unrelentingly flat, and it's built on a much larger scale than the older, smaller Cincinnati. I understand the comparison to Cleveland, though. It shares many of these characteristics- from the wide avenues to the detached housing, to the grand scale of their downtown.

Totally agree. Within the context of midwest cities, detroit and cincy are pretty damn different. Cincy is hardcore river city, along with its cousins louisville, pittsburgh, and st. Louis, while Detroit is hardcore great lakes city, along with its cousins cleveland, buffalo, and milwaukee. Chicago also fits in that group too, though it got a lot brickier because of the great fire.

isaidso · #70 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 8:21 PM**

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Looks like I could live like a king if I were willing to move to Detroit.

iheartthed · #71 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 8:25 PM**

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Some examples of Detroit's nicer homes throughout the city:
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...zm/0_mmm/1_rs/

This is Berry Gordy's old house.

Steely Dan · #72 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 9:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Chicago's dominance simply should not play any role in Detroit's fortunes, IMO.

That's like saying that New York's dominance is keeping Boston down.

These cities can both do well and even complement each other.

Detroit needs to focus on its own revitalization.

Yeah, I'm not sure chicago has much to do with detroit's rejuvenation.

Detroit is gonna do its own detroit thing, chicago's influence will be minimal at best.

Sure, some priced out artists and makers might make the move over to detroit from chicago, but those types are/will be doing that from a lot of other cities too.

Docta_Love · #73 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 10:07 PM**

In the long term Detroit being about equidistant from Chicago and Toronto probably will have some positive economic effects as long as infrastructure upgrades continue but as of now there's still a long way to go. Linking the Wolverine Line with the new Toronto to Windsor high-speed line would be a step as is construction of the Gordie Howe Bridge.

I could see in maybe 5 or 10 years if Ford really does continue with its concept to connect its campus in Corktown along Michigan Ave through Dearborn that changes the game for the I-94 corridor. The region wants to foster a high-tech manufacturing - logistics & aerospace district in the area from roughly around Metro to Willow Run Airports.

It's definitely conceivable that with Ford's investment that development will only continue to pick up pace in S.W. Detroit. Neighborhoods like Hubbard Richard and Hubbard Farms have strong urban cred, like Mexican Town the area is the one sector of the city outside of the greater downtown area that is built in a denser more east coast style including row-homes. Either way i'm interested to see the how the area evolves after the new west riverfront park is completed.

maru2501 · #74 Posted **Mar 9, 2019, 11:07 PM**

fine, chicago overflow aside, I think it could aim to become an Austin

lio45 · #75 Posted **Mar 10, 2019, 12:22 AM**

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... but I think that will come once dinosaur leaders like Brooks Patterson are gone (which will be very very soon).

He's still around?

I recall reading this (probably on SSP) at the time it was published, and finding the guy... fascinating (in a time capsule way).

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...p-dead-detroit

isaidso · #76 Posted **Mar 10, 2019, 12:34 AM**

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fine, chicago overflow aside, I think it could aim to become an Austin

One of Detroit's great assets is the University of Michigan, a very highly regarded school. It's on the periphery but close enough that it's a big plus for Detroit. It's the type of asset that can be exploited to rejuvenate the surrounding economy.

MolsonExport · #77 Posted **Mar 10, 2019, 2:45 AM**

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Totally run by Omni Consumer Products with robot cops patrolling the street. People driving around in 6000 SUX's.

dc_denizen · #78 Posted **Mar 10, 2019, 1:08 PM**

downtown and midtown will be the filled-in hub of a prosperous urban area of around 4-5 million, but the other 100 square miles of the city will be stable at best, barring more immigration.

are there any Opportunity Zones in Detroit? What is needed is a lot of capital and a visionary developer willing to spend big.

Centropolis · #79 Posted **Mar 10, 2019, 1:18 PM**

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fine, chicago overflow aside, I think it could aim to become an Austin

i don’t see the austin model applicable in the midwest except for columbus...which is already doing it. the path forward i’m seeing for rustbelt cities is a slower new england type recovery (partially) using the presence of hardcore research universities relentlessly hammering billions into urban cores like what washington university, et al. is already doing like a giant starter motor. detroit doesn’t have this but could someday get it and absolutely NEEDS it. relying on being “chicago overflow” as has been suggested is also NOT a plan...theres how many metro areas surrounding chicago at approximately the same distance as detroit? indy probably already has this as covered as its going to get...chicago is simply too affordable.

detroit may have saved chicago (all the college educated michigan transplants i remember FLOODING wicker park in the mid 00s) but chicago won’t save detroit.

we definitely don’t talk about trying to get “chicago overflow” (or poaching illinois like indiana) in st. louis...we’re too busy trying to crank the starter.

Centropolis · #80 Posted **Mar 10, 2019, 2:14 PM**

does detroit have a district similar to cortex in stl? https://cortexstl.com
again, it’s based directly upon concepts that worked for powering larger older urban cores like boston...not blank slate austin...wheres that automotive wealth? it’s got to be somewhere. wheres the university of michigan on this, in their own world? they need to get their ass into detroit, they have a duty to the state of michigan.