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That would do it, unless they change the name of the proposed bldg and find new tenants for the project.
     
     
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That would do it, unless they change the name of the proposed bldg and find new tenants for the project.
Could this potentially be a good thing? This is a massive developable parcel and it always seemed like a stretch for the numbers to work for a development comprised of non-profits, senior housing, and a budget hotel brand.

You now wonder if this could be a future 76ers site proposal.
     
     
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Could this potentially be a good thing? This is a massive developable parcel and it always seemed like a stretch for the numbers to work for a development comprised of non-profits, senior housing, and a budget hotel brand.

You now wonder if this could be a future 76ers site proposal.
It may be an alternative to my favorite "Franklin Square Garden" site behind the Roundhouse, but I recall that the EJC site was problematic due to the Broad-Ridge Spur and Regional Rail tracks beneath the parcel. The former was the reason for the diagonal walkway in the renderings. The Roundhouse site is barely nicked on the corner by the PATCO rails.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2020, 9:45 PM
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Could this potentially be a good thing? This is a massive developable parcel and it always seemed like a stretch for the numbers to work for a development comprised of non-profits, senior housing, and a budget hotel brand.

You now wonder if this could be a future 76ers site proposal.
I like the idea...seems to check off some boxes to have it in the city rather than on the fringe. Also, mass transit options are available for locals and proximity to the Ben Franklin Bridge for people that want to drive in too from NJ or suburbs of Philly on I676.

Who's got Josh Harris' ear for it?
     
     
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This seems like the best bet for the Sixers if they want to be in Center City And this is certainly a pocket of town, that despite what they've done with Franklin Square, could use a little juice. But the way that organization is run...
     
     
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I agree this would be an interesting location. This could bring a new use to the Broad-Ridge Spur line, which could rebrand as a stadium line. Similar to gameday on the BSL they can run express trains from Fern Rock down the Spur, which also has the bonus of not tying up the local lines on the South side of the BSL.
     
     
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I’m like 90% sure the site isn’t gonna work due to the broad-ridge spur, and the size. A lot this small would require digging down to put the court level below street level. And with the BSL that’s just not possible here. It’s a great site for commercial, but I just don’t see how the Sixers could work here. If our engineering could prove me wrong, I’d be all about it, I just don’t think it’s possible based on my (limited) understanding of small-site stadium engineering.
     
     
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Yeah, that might mean the end of this project. We’ll keep the thread open for a little while go see if it comes back, but probably not for a while, and will probably be a new proposal.
     
     
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Rather than build something new, I'd love to see these agencies take over the roundhouse.
     
     
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How about a shiny new Casino there.

Call it Benjamins.
     
     
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The Roundhouse is a hideous, anti-urbanist nightmare. It's gotta go. And I imagine the interior isn't good either. I don't know if it makes sense to retrofit it for other uses. But I will literally shit a brick if some asshole attempts to protect it as historical. It would not surprise me (see the South Broad Health Center).

Why not tear it down and, together with the adjacent parking lot, perhaps the Sixers can build an arena here? That makes the 800 Race site more marketable, although we'd have to accept a garage being at least part of the package. Or does the subway run under this site, too?
     
     
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The Roundhouse is a hideous, anti-urbanist nightmare. It's gotta go. And I imagine the interior isn't good either. I don't know if it makes sense to retrofit it for other uses. But I will literally shit a brick if some asshole attempts to protect it as historical. It would not surprise me (see the South Broad Health Center).

Why not tear it down and, together with the adjacent parking lot, perhaps the Sixers can build an arena here? That makes the 800 Race site more marketable, although we'd have to accept a garage being at least part of the package. Or does the subway run under this site, too?
I'd say start exercising you sphincter because it will be put up as historic, and considering how many truly good old building we have that aren't protected, trying to save the roundhouse is stupid. But it'll happen. BTW, bricks come in different sizes! Best to start practicing now.
     
     
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The Roundhouse is a hideous, anti-urbanist nightmare. It's gotta go. And I imagine the interior isn't good either. I don't know if it makes sense to retrofit it for other uses. But I will literally shit a brick if some asshole attempts to protect it as historical. It would not surprise me (see the South Broad Health Center).

Why not tear it down and, together with the adjacent parking lot, perhaps the Sixers can build an arena here? That makes the 800 Race site more marketable, although we'd have to accept a garage being at least part of the package. Or does the subway run under this site, too?
I’ve been saying the same things.

The Roundhouse isn’t just putrid; it’s falling apart. The whole reason the police are leaving is because it is one falling rafter away from being condemned. I’ve heard estimates in the millions for rehabilitation.

Why spend millions of dollars restoring an arguably “historical” structure that is inarguably detrimental to the urban fabric of the city, when it could be demolished and something much newer, better looking, and safer could be built in its place?
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Pennrose is claiming they're still committed to the project

Philadelphia Equal Justice Center office development succumbs to COVID-19

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A Philadelphia nonprofit has scrapped plans for a $70 million office tower adjacent to the Chinatown subway station that would have consolidated the city’s legal aid groups in one place, citing economic conditions created by the coronavirus pandemic.

A letter circulated among various stakeholders last month indicated that the Philadelphia Bar Foundation, which helped organize and lead fundraising efforts for the development, “would not be moving forward with groundbreaking and construction of a new building.” The letter cites current “economic conditions” and the “development of new work from home solutions.”

The foundation had struggled to keep tenants on board and meet certain fundraising goals last year. Executive Director Jessica Hilburn-Holmes confirmed details of the August letter on Tuesday morning but left the door open for other efforts to realize the broader strategic goal of improving access to various legal aid services provided by 14 different local nonprofits.

“Many of the tenants could no longer commit because of the pandemic,” she said. “But we’re moving forward with various aspects of the project that do not involve colocation.”

In a subsequent statement released Tuesday, Hillburn-Holmes said the organization would conduct a feasibility study to explore better information sharing among legal groups, deploying “legal navigators” to help connect residents with aid services and piloting an incubator project to train and employ more aid lawyers.

The EJC is one component of a larger project led by development company Pennrose that seeks to redevelop a large parking lot at 8th and Vine streets that is currently owned by the Philadelphia Redevelopment Authority. The site, bounded by Race Street and the Vine Street Expressway, between Eighth and Ninth streets, is the single largest city-owned lot in Center City. The PRA selected the Pennrose proposal via a competitive process that took into account social impact. The Equal Justice Center helped the developer make a case for their project, which is slated to feature affordable and market-rate housing, a hotel, retail space, and 145 parking spaces. The 3.2-acre project is anticipated to roll out in phases.

Richard K. Barnhart, Pennrose CEO and chairman, said Tuesday that the company “is committed to fulfilling our obligation to the 8th and Race Streets site and surrounding community.”

“We look forward to working with the City of Philadelphia to develop an updated plan,” Barnhart said.
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Rather than build something new, I'd love to see these agencies take over the roundhouse.
They couldn't make the numbers work on a cheap new construction, rehabbing the roundhouse would not save them any money. And if they attempted to alter its exterior and layout so that it would make absolutely any sense from a 21st century urbanist perspective, it would undoubtedly cost far more to rehab the roundhouse than the new building they planned to build... Which again, they couldn't make work.

Rehabbing the roundhouse is not a project for a bunch of low overhead public service agencies. To rehab the roundhouse the right way so that it is worth preserving and is a functional part of the cityscape, you'd need to spend a lot of money. And i just don't see anyone plopping a ton of money down to rehab the roundhouse, so good riddance.
     
     
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I hope they get something going on that spot, I used to live a few blocks north and would walk down 7th/8th to get to CC and Chinatown, the area right around that BSL station is just kinda lifeless.
     
     
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Of course there's no consequences at PRA for wasting 3+ years on a project that has no chance of happening.
     
     
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I’ve been saying the same things.

The Roundhouse isn’t just putrid; it’s falling apart. The whole reason the police are leaving is because it is one falling rafter away from being condemned. I’ve heard estimates in the millions for rehabilitation.

Why spend millions of dollars restoring an arguably “historical” structure that is inarguably detrimental to the urban fabric of the city, when it could be demolished and something much newer, better looking, and safer could be built in its place?
Remember that the City paid more then $50M working on a new PPD headquarters out at 46th. & Market, only to change their plans. Making sense is not always the City's first go to idea. Are people willing to see the roundhouse torn down before anything is lined up to be built in it's place? Many of us have been totally opposed to demo without plans in the recent past.
     
     
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It should be put up for sale and developed as residential apt or condos. I think it would do well based on the location for it.
     
     
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