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Old Posted Jun 11, 2015, 10:31 PM
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Some Jersey City residents not putting chips down for North Jersey casinos plan

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While some are ready to test their luck in a Jersey City casino, many fear the city's infrastructure cannot accommodate the venue and fear the city will be negatively impacted by its presence.

Casino gambling is currently limited to Atlantic City, but a trio of lawmakers have proposed a bill that would allow casinos to be built in Hudson, Bergen, and Essex Counties.

The plan, which is being sponsored by Assembly members Ralph Caputo, D-Belleville, Valerie Vainieri Huttle, D-Englewood, and Raj Mukherji, D-Jersey City, does not specify where the casinos would be located. However, plans have been floated for the Meadowlands and near Liberty National Golf Course in Jersey City as potential locations.

But not everyone in Jersey City is on board with the plan.

"There's no plan in place to make sure there isn't garbage on the street, how are we going to handle a casino?" said Jessica Silver, 46, of Downtown Jersey City.

As a proud resident since 1999, Silver said she supports development in general but does not believe the low-paying jobs a casino would create would make a big enough impact.

"There was no benefit to Atlantic City except maybe some low paying jobs," Silver said. "It doesn't raise a community out of poverty."

Last week, Mukherji estimated between 20,000 and 30,000 new jobs being created as a result of the north Jersey casinos. But Fletcher Gensamer, a Downtown Jersey City resident, said those numbers are inflated, pointing to the 2011 construction of Revel Casino in Atlantic City, which he said only created 2,100 construction jobs and about 3,000 jobs in the casino.

"The numbers don't add up," said Gensamer, 44.

With the recent crime in Jersey City some residents are concerned building a casino would shift city officials' attention away from existing issues in the community.

Gensamer, who is mulling a run for city council in 2017, said building a casino in Greenville would inflate existing problems in that section of the city.

"It's like a magnet for even more violence," Gensamer said.

"We already got enough crime," added Jeanette Caceres, 50, a Greenville resident. "It's just gonna be another tax break like all of Downtown Jersey City."

Caceres said she fears an increase in crime and drugs will affect the quality of life for the city as a whole.

"It's a no brainer," Caceres said. "What is this casino going to do for anyone? It's gonna bring so many problems."

Gensamer is also concerned about tax abatements for a new casino and that a potential increase in crime would require the city to expand its police force.

"There are a lot of issues that need to be studied" he said.

However, a recent NJ.com poll, which earned nearly 1,500 votes, showed that just over half of those who participated were in favor of New Jersey legalizing gambling outside of Atlantic City.

A number of Jersey City residents surveyed in different parts of town last week were also in favor of bringing a casino to Hudson County. Hudson politicians have also expressed their support of bringing casinos to North Jersey.

While Silver said she was not sure whether putting a casino in another location other than Jersey City would be more ideal, Gensamer said a better location would be the Meadowlands since there is already infrastructure in place there.

For Caceres, however, casinos should be flat out left to Atlantic City.
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2015, 5:21 PM
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Just needed an excuse to bump this today.

http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTall...n-US/view.aspx

Old article from the Council of Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat.

Also, Newark has changed their zoning code in anticipation of a downtown casino. Paul Fireman's Jersey City proposal is referenced.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/20..._potentia.html
     
     
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Just needed an excuse to bump this today.

http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTall...n-US/view.aspx

Old article from the Council of Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat.

Also, Newark has changed their zoning code in anticipation of a downtown casino. Paul Fireman's Jersey City proposal is referenced.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/20..._potentia.html
Lets not forget this potential development for Newark.



With JC getting a slew of proposals, which will probably happen given the pro-development stance of Fullop, Newark needs to take the leap.

I'm a little skeptical of the Casino in JC, but worst case scenario, it could wind up a tall residential.
     
     
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Any casino plan approved for northern NJ should take note and focus on what's the best location for Jersey residents...



http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworl...218-story.html

North Jersey casinos may do well, but NYC competition looms

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February 18, 2016


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If New Jersey follows through on its plans to allow two new casinos in the New York City suburbs, analysts and gambling industry officials agree they could be among the most successful in the country.

But some also caution that the casinos, intended to recapture gamblers who have been abandoning Atlantic City for neighboring states, could face their own difficulties if — as widely expected — New York allows a casino across the Hudson River in Manhattan. The New Jersey casinos in turn could wreak havoc on older casinos in New York, Pennsylvania and Connecticut, all of which are now drawing gamblers away from New Jersey.

New Jersey is moving forward with plans to ask voters in November to approve two new casinos in northern New Jersey, more than 70 miles from Atlantic City. Although locations have not been specified, the two proposals most often mentioned are at the Meadowlands Racetrack in East Rutherford, where the NFL's New York Jets and Giants play, and one in Jersey City, the state's second-largest city, directly across the river from Manhattan.

Jeff Gural, who runs the Meadowlands and is partnered with Hard Rock International Inc. on the casino proposal, said 14.6 million people live within 50 miles of his track.

"I think we'd do great," he said. "We have the best location for a casino in all of America."

The other casino proposal comes from footwear magnate Paul Fireman, who has declined to discuss his $4 billion to $5 billion Jersey City proposal.

Gural estimates a Meadowlands casino would take in $800 million to $900 million a year from gamblers, ranking it among the most successful in the nation. Some analysts think a Meadowlands casino could exceed $1 billion in annual revenue, at least before it has a nearby competitor in northern New Jersey.

.....A major wild card is the possibility of a Manhattan casino, which could be approved as soon as December 2022, according to the New York State Gaming Commission. Allowing two years for construction, a Manhattan casino could open just as the north Jersey casinos would be hitting their stride. New York City already has one of the top-earning casinos in the nation at the Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens, which offers only slot machines but still won $816 million from April 2014 to March 2015.

"You're going to assume the competition is going to go after your market if it's close by," said Moody's analyst Keith Foley. "If New York state sees north Jersey casinos are doing very well and taking visitors from Manhattan, if they put a casino in downtown New York City, that'll cut that traffic off coming into north Jersey."

Steve Norton, a former Atlantic City casino executive who now runs a consulting company, estimates the two north Jersey casinos would do a combined $1.5 billion annually.

If Manhattan opens a casino, "they'll lose share, but still be profitable," he said.

Gural doesn't believe New York will ever locate a casino in Manhattan and is unconcerned with the cautions voiced by Wall Street analysts.
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Here's an idea... the tax revenue is too important. Put one in the Meadowlands, JC, Newark, Ocean County, and wherever else wants them and let them battle it out free market capitalism style. The NYC casinos are coming. There is too much tax revenue that will be lost to other areas.
     
     
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On the topic of 95 storey buildings in Jersey City... The city planning department released updated development maps for downtown and Journal Square 2 days ago on February 17. The big news is 30 Journal Square has grown to 70 floors and 55 Hudson is still shown as 95 storeys... Goldman owns the site. Hopefully we hear more concrete news on the three big ones in the horizon: 30 Journal Square, 55 Hudson, and Liberty Rising.
     
     
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[QUOTE=Hudson11;7050061]pretty sure that's the Liberty National parking lot... I doubt they would be keen on having a tall building looming over their course. Unlike a park goer or a home owner they have a legitimate say on something like that since their business depends on it.


LIberty National - Jersey City, NJ by Landon Owen, on Flickr[/QUOTE

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Voters cool to having casinos outside of Atlantic City

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Once again, it'll be a roll of the dice Nov. 8 on casino gambling in New Jersey.

This time the focus will be on casinos mentioned for the Jersey City waterfront and the Meadowlands Racetrack in East Rutherford.

It will be the third casino referendum for New Jersey voters. They overwhelmingly rejected casinos anywhere in the state 1,203,638 to 790,777 in 1974.

In 1976, however, the votes switched on a proposed constitutional amendment to limit casinos to Atlantic City. This one was approved 1,535,249 to 1,180,799.

The voter confidence for Atlantic City was vindicated – eventually 12 casinos rose on the famed Boardwalk, earning New Jersey the nickname "Las Vegas East."

But copy-cat legislation in neighboring states drained Atlantic City casino revenue. Four folded leaving eight still intact.

Gov. Chris Christie has backed the proposed amendment to authorize Northern New Jersey casinos.

But public support is another matter. A Rutgers-Eagleton April 13 poll showed voters thought casino gambling should be limited to Atlantic City- 49 percent for the restriction, 44 percent for casinos elsewhere. A poll a few months ago found 51 percent against and 42 percent for.

The latest Eagleton poll also found the Atlantic City restriction gained 6 points. Support for casino gambling elsewhere in the state dropped 3 points.

No matter where casino gambling is, Atlantic City still has its famous trinity -- sun, surf and salt-water taffy.

Fulop rethinking support of North Jersey casino expansion



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Mayor Steve Fulop is expressing some new hesitance to support an expansion of casino gaming into northern New Jersey, after spending more than a year touting the idea as a way to boost the economy and create new jobs.

Fulop visited Atlantic City today to talk to city officials and residents about the impact of casinos on the city and has come away much more pessimistic about the positive benefits of a casino in Jersey City, he said.

"I'm not so sure today that this is in the best interest of our city," he told The Jersey Journal in a phone interview today.

Voters in November will decide whether the state constitution should be changed to allow casino gaming outside of Atlantic City. One proposed location has been a lot near Liberty State Park, and Fulop has been supportive of the idea as recently as last month.

Today, Fulop said his discussions with Atlantic City leaders — he met today with its council president, Marty Small — and residents have cooled him to the idea of a Jersey City casino. It's not clear anymore that casinos can bring an economic boost and jobs without bringing along crime and broken promises of economic development, he said.

He said he will spend the next few weeks mulling it over and will announce before November whether he still supports casino expansion. If he decides not to, he told the media in Atlantic City today, he will campaign against the referendum.

"I'm not reluctant to say that sometimes I make a mistake and my position can change based on new information," he told The Jersey Journal.
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1) http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/..._atlantic.html
2) http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2...y_casinos.html

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^That is so grotesque. It's like Biffs Pleasure Palace. Also resembles what Biff might do to the White House ifyouknowwhatimean.
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^That is so grotesque. It's like Biffs Pleasure Palace. Also resembles what Biff might do to the White House ifyouknowwhatimean.
Oh boy. Good reference.
And yes haha we don't want Biff incarnate messing up the whitehouse.
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Biff's is more charming than the JC proposal.



Why the architect have to design a building that looks like a pun.
     
     
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Lol, they should not have released that image. I also think Fulop may be thinking about another office, one where he has to consider the rest of the state.
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This thing is still on life support...

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Jersey City, the epicenter of the state’s current construction boom, is the location of another planned megaproject: Liberty Rising, a 2.4-million-square-foot, $4-billion development that is slated to include a hotel, apartments and a casino. Gambling is currently illegal in the northern part of the state, but New Jersey’s voters will decide whether to expand the practice in November. Fireman Capital Partners, the project’s developer, which owns the Liberty National Golf Course adjacent to the waterfront site, did not respond to a request for comment about their plans should voters reject the gambling referendum.
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Hopefully my state's voters approve the gambling referendum. Because Atlantic City is a shithole. Its a ghetto. Not even the boardwalk is nice, and once you leave the boardwalk and strip, its Camden/Asbury park like. In other words, trashy. And its the truth too. Not sugarcoating anything.

It would make sense to make NYC and the Jersey City region a gambling hub.
     
     
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Hopefully my state's voters approve the gambling referendum. Because Atlantic City is a shithole. Its a ghetto. Not even the boardwalk is nice, and once you leave the boardwalk and strip, its Camden/Asbury park like. In other words, trashy. And its the truth too. Not sugarcoating anything.

It would make sense to make NYC and the Jersey City region a gambling hub.
Asbury is only bad West of the tracks , east of the tracks is very nice...even Camden has a few nice areas...
     
     
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Lots of talk in the media about this.

Referencing that it's now a two tower project within a gated community.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2...sino_plan.html

Developer touts casino plan as 'windfall' for Jersey City
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Opposition to a Jersey City casino has focused on concerns over traffic and problems critics say casinos attract, like prostitution and vagrancy. Fireman dismissed those objections.

The traffic impact on Jersey City streets would be minimal because the resort's customers would use the New Jersey Turnpike or ferries to get to the site, Fireman said, while the resort would not attract prostitutes or vagrants because it would sit inside a gated property. The resort would rise on a site adjacent to the golf course's clubhouse.
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Fireman said his plan is to build a $3 billion, two-tower resort called Liberty Rising that includes a hotel, restaurants, a spa and, yes, a casino with about 6,000 slots and 500 tables.
     
     
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Democrat and Mayor Steve Fulop is expected to run for Governor next year. He had earlier supported the gaming expansion plan in New Jersey but changed his mind after visiting Atlantic City earlier this year. Fulop stated that if the November referendum is approved by New Jersey voters but rejected by Jersey City voters, he would oppose zoning approvals and city permits to Fireman. Fulop stated that he did not expect Jersey City voters to vote in favor of the casino but if his assumption was wrong, then he would support the people of Jersey City and work towards what they want as a community.

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Originally there were going to be three sail like towers built here...project was proposed around 2003 but nothing ever came of it. This WON'T be happening as a casino, one or two towered.... the vote for expanded casino gambling is looking to be a negative statewide... and certainly a no vote in Jersey City. I thought the project was intriguing at first... but it hasn't caught the imagination of most and though I think this area would be perfect for development(outside of Liberty State Park...I oppose commercial development within the park)either Fireman comes in with something not involving gambling or some other developer get a crack at it. The architectural proposal for the casino turned out to look tacky and offputting as well... certainly didn't help we were not getting a jewel but a crass Las Vegas-ized atrocity.

And the last thing I'd do is a gated project that won't even be part of the community.... please, Mr. Fireman, go back to the drawing board and eliminate the casino part. It ain't going through in November.
     
     
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The biggest issue here is the already over-saturated NE gaming market.

Within a three hour drive of NYC, you currently have Empire Raceway, Atlantic City, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods (still some of the largest casinos on the planet), Sands Bethlehem, and a few smaller, less noteworthy properties. Northeast casinos have already taken a severe hit to per property revenues, caused by a proliferation of of casinos and the post-2008 economic slump. That drain will be even more pronounced when MGM and Wynn properties come online in Massachusetts within the next few years.

A North Jersey casino would have to feed heavily on the NYC market, which already has numerous resort destinations available to it. Creating a luxury "destination resort" with downtown NYC in full view isn't a destination at all, and spending that much money on what (economically and financially) should be a slot parlor, doesn't make much sense.

But that's just me. It would be nice to see a non-gaudy 1000 foot tower and redeveloped meadow lands, but I'm not sure that it can be justified in the market, as it were.
     
     
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