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Old Posted Sep 20, 2010, 3:54 AM
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there will be at least one in 2011.
I agree there is no way to avoid that.
     
     
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You damn rights there will be a team back in Winnipeg for 2011!!!

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Who can really tell? I'm sure they....the league dont know yet.

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Ha. havent gone through this before...
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the strategy of growing hockey in the confederacy is a failure. If only Buttman would face reality. Like that episode of Mad Men, where it was one client's dream to have a nationally broadcast Jai Alai league in the USA (Draper had to rain on his parade).
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Ha. havent gone through this before...
See true viking's signature for the results of last go 'round

I'm not ready to make a prediction about 2011 season yet... too far away, and things seem to be falling apart and reassembled yet again in Glendale.
     
     
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I'm not ready to make a prediction about 2011 season yet... too far away, and things seem to be falling apart and reassembled yet again in Glendale.
The funny part about that is, we were *this* close to 2010-11 in Winnipeg. Only an 11th hour (stupid) decision by a soon-to-be-voted-out council in Glendale stopped it. It was really that close.

I suspect we might be in for another right-to-the-second deadline come Dec 31. The NHL has made their plans abundantly clear this time. Either the team is sold to a local buyer by then, or TNSE has a team in Winnipeg for 2011-12. And at the glacial pace things are going, we might be having some fun discussion come Dec 30 or so.
     
     
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They(NHL) just keep giving more and more time for the City of Glendale. Honestly they should've just figured this all out before the beginning of this 2010/2011 season.
     
     
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I'm sure we will get another NHL team in Canada soon. I think Winnipeg would be the best choice.
Other cities in Canada that want an NHL team are Hamilton and Quebec City.
     
     
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^really? You mean, these three cities want an NHL team?
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^really? You mean, these three cities want an NHL team?
First I've heard of it.
     
     
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Jim Balsillie tried to buy the Phoenix Coyotes ealier this year to put the team in Hamilton. They were to expand Copps Coliseum. They are still trying to move the team to Hamilton. Quebec City is planning to build an NHL size arena to get an NHL team there. They are trying to get government funds to start building. The team would be called what is was before the Quebec Nordiques. Both cities don't look that promising on getting an NHL team any time soon.
     
     
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They're being sarcastic Dwils, the many attempts to return the NHL to Hamilton/Winnipeg/Quebec have been discussed ad nauseum on this forum. You'll catch on if you follow the various threads.
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Yeah, sorry... this has been talked to death over the past 18 months in various threads here and across the entire Internet - hell, across most of the Canadian sporting media. I don't think I've met a person who's unaware of all of this, unless they have less than zero interest in hockey.
     
     
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The funny part about that is, we were *this* close to 2010-11 in Winnipeg. Only an 11th hour (stupid) decision by a soon-to-be-voted-out council in Glendale stopped it. It was really that close.

I suspect we might be in for another right-to-the-second deadline come Dec 31. The NHL has made their plans abundantly clear this time. Either the team is sold to a local buyer by then, or TNSE has a team in Winnipeg for 2011-12. And at the glacial pace things are going, we might be having some fun discussion come Dec 30 or so.
As has been said before, the NHL will definitely wait, hands clasped in prayer hoping for an offer from a US city, until the very last second before authorizing a team move to any Canadian city. This is because more Canadian teams:

1) puts the NHL even further away from a lucrative mainstream TV contract in the US; and

2) means that the US teams will have even more "dud" home dates on the calendar to sell tickets for, since Canadian teams are poor road draws in the US.
     
     
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Winnipeg's ready for NHL's return:
City among top 25 hockey markets in world, and it's time to act like it


By: Gary Lawless | Winnipeg Free Press

Posted: 22/09/2010 1:00 AM

Yes, it was very kind of Steve Yzerman to say Winnipeg might someday be a nice little NHL town. But the reality is we're way past the point of asking for reassurance.

Doing so makes us look needy and brings our competence as a market into question. We don't need to do it. Those days are behind us. Winnipeg is one of the top 25 hockey markets in the world and we need to act like it.

"I think the current CBA is favourable to small-market teams and a city like Winnipeg, I'm quite confident they could fill their building," Yzerman was quoted as saying. "I don't know the details of it all, but I think Winnipeg could be a good option for the NHL to put a team into."

A few years back Wayne Gretzky stood up in front of some suits in Toronto and said Winnipeg couldn't pay the freight for an NHL club. At the time, Gretzky was part of a management team running the Phoenix Coyotes into the ground.

The Great One's words were, well, far from great. They were uninformed and unsolicited. At least Yzerman was asked his opinion, although we believe it to be irrelevant at this time.

Pats on the head or negative comments from former players are no longer required. Winnipeg has established itself, via the work of True North Sports and Entertainment Ltd., in terms of a building and a bullet-proof ownership group. The NHL was close to moving a team here last summer and has told the world they are prepared to make that step as early as Dec. 31.

We're not in a competition with Quebec City.

We're not in a fight with Phoenix over the Coyotes.

We're not a question mark in the eyes of the NHL.

What we are is poised to be the next market to get an NHL team, should the league determine it needs to relocate a franchise.

No more navel gazing, folks. It's counterproductive. No more asking for approval. We've built it on our own, thank you very much.

When the Chipman family put up their money for a rink downtown they made sure the building would be serviceable should an NHL franchise become available. End of story.

Our rink is NHL calibre. Gary Bettman, who happens to be the commissioner of the NHL and as a result the only voice that matters on these issues, says so. So stop with the "Our rink is too small," whining or the "Is our rink big enough?" questions.

The building works in our market. At 15,000 seats, there will always be a demand for tickets. If True North put out a call for season-ticket sales tomorrow, we bet they'd sell 13,000 packages before Christmas. It's a slam dunk. There's money in this town. Over the last five years, there's been significant wealth creation in Manitoba while most of North American has been in recession.

Still, there's this nagging question among some of us whether or not we belong. We need to take a page out of Quebec City's playbook where self-esteem is concerned. They don't give a second thought to what anyone else thinks in terms of their suitability for the NHL. They've deemed themselves fit and now expect an NHL franchise to land in their laps.

No building, a funding package well short of its goal and no owner currently in place. No matter to Quebec fans. Put us in line, they say. In fact, put us in the front of that line.

Good for them, I say. Confidence is half the battle in many of life's challenges.

It's about time Winnipeg looks in the mirror and sees itself for what it is: ready for the big time.



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Better than most: We're no fair-weather hockey town
Study by local group shows Winnipeg, Quebec City strong NHL markets



By: Tim Campbell | Winnipeg Free Press

Posted: 22/09/2010 1:00 AM


A group devoted to promoting the facts about Winnipeg's suitability as an NHL market has published a study adding more ammunition to its cache.

The website www.myNHLincludeswinnipeg.com has done an analysis of NHL attendance in two eras -- the Winnipeg Jets years and since 1996 -- and concluded that both jilted Canadian NHL markets, Winnipeg and Quebec City, proved to be substantially above average when it came to steady and predictable fan draws.


That, the study says, is a valuable asset for both cities and ownership groups that might be considering future bids for NHL franchises.

The study examined attendance numbers from 1979 to 1995, tossing out the 1995-96 season when the Jets were in a known lame-duck position. It also assembled 1996-2010 data to have the most up-to-date comparisons, then measured teams' attendance numbers in relation to on-ice performance to come up with a fans-per-point index.

"Only two of 30 current teams are steadier than Winnipeg's past history illustrates," the study says. "Quebec City is ranked 10th similarly.

"This suggests that in good times or not, the attendance in both cities wavers much less.... Knowing that your biggest revenue stream is stable is critical to business success and market success."

Chris Mackie, leader of the www.myNHLincludeswinnipeg.com group, said the idea for the study came from NHL commissioner Gary Bettman himself.

"In a recent reference to the Phoenix Coyotes situation, he said he was confident in the Chicago market, that with that team's better fortunes on the ice, the franchise would be better off," Mackie said. "I wondered what he'd be going on, and if Chicago would be that way, what did that mean about Winnipeg?"

If box-office volatility is considered a bad thing, then the dearly departed Jets franchise -- even with its grim average season of 71 points and 13,110 fans -- scored well in the stability category.

Only the Detroit Red Wings and San Jose Sharks of the post-Jets era scored better than Winnipeg's number, and Quebec City would have fit into the top 10.

Mackie said the study purposely did not venture into the financial and ticket-price debate that normally frames a September NHL exhibition game at the MTS Centre. The Chicago Blackhawks and Tampa Bay Lightning meet there tonight.

"It's been long argued is this a poll to see how Winnipeg would respond," Mackie said. "Some think it's the case, others say no, you can't compare.

"Certainly you can't compare two non-Manitoba entities at a glorified scrimmage to (our own team). I hesitate on this, looking at the numbers and the potential price ranges, but a decent crowd and gate for an exhibition game, it might mean something."

Mackie also pointed out that True North Sports and Entertainment Ltd., which owns and operates the MTS Centre, is continually tinkering with NHL exhibition-game prices for various sections of the arena.

He said for this year's game, the minimum price has been upped to $44 from $39 but the top seat has declined to $109 from $119.

"There is definitely a True North market analysis going on but you'll have to ask them what it means," he said. "They are fine-tuning prices, probably floating some trial balloons on some of these exhibition games."

The year-to-year fluctuations are almost certainly an attempt to optimize ticket sales for the appropriate time, as True North has made no secret of its need to gross as close to $1 million per NHL home game as possible to make a franchise here viable.

Mackie also said he can project scenarios but wouldn't be the one to preach finances to the general public.

"If True North and (chairman) Mark Chipman have been through this and supposedly have looked at Edmonton's and Ottawa's books and confirmed that it will work here, then any work anyone else is going to do ... really is cart ahead of the horse," he said. "Those fellows running their own rink know the numbers better than anyone for the past five-plus years, so what else are we possibly going to trumpet?"

The new study also noted the NHL overall attendance increase over the years, one that exceeds 20 per cent between the named eras.

It projected, using a conservative growth factor of just the Alberta teams, than Winnipeg could expect an attendance floor of 13,600 and Quebec 14,800 in the future NHL.

"By look at the straight data ... it's hard to predict that a team (now) would be a runaway landslide," he said for either city. "It's kind of generic to say there's a potential struggle.

"But another thing you must consider is that a modern facility will have some bearing. The comfort levels (of the old Winnipeg Arena) were nowhere near the levels in the modern NHL. That's why we think those numbers may be the floor for the future, assuming Le Colisee gets replaced in Quebec."

Mackie also said some elements of the group's study put Quebec in a slightly better light than Winnipeg as an NHL market.

"With the integrity of the data and trying to see what the case is for Winnipeg, you might as well include Quebec City while you're driving alongside," he said.

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Using published gate-revenue-per-game numbers from the 2007-08 season, said to be the NHL's own, authors of a new study have projected several scenarios for a Winnipeg franchise using various attendance averages and average ticket prices. True North has said $1 million revenue per home game is an essential target for any Winnipeg franchise viability.
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I'm not ready to make a prediction about 2011 season yet... too far away, and things seem to be falling apart and reassembled yet again in Glendale.
double or nothing?

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Interesting article about how Canadian TV revenues in particular subsidize US NHL clubs:

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3483

I am not sure about his proposed taxation solution, but in light of the reality (economic, fan interest, etc.), I don't think it is unreasonable for Canadians to want at least a few more teams in their country, especially in places that (in the Canadian context at least) are considered to be fairly major cities.
     
     
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