Regina's Multi-Purpose facility

[Archie Teck]

Here's a mesage to the pro-dome fanatics. Why don't you read the basic facts and web links I provided? If you could get past your animosity for two seconds you might see there's actually information in there that could actually support your argument. Do you just type out attacks or do you read what is presented and use your head to learn?

Those links show that big events on an individual basis CAN turn a profit. The Fargodome AC/DC concert generated more profit in one booking than Taylor Field did all of last year. That's something you could key on.

Also notice that Fargodome feeds a fund that is used by the city of Fargo for fiscal stabilization. That would suggest the Fargodome is not a giant money loser.

While each of these facts can be mitigated, they are things you could use to defend your position. At least that would be on topic and better than posting juvenile cartoons.

[Migs]

Originally Posted by Archie Teck

I dispell a couple of your crazy exaggerations (ie:the stadium will generate "hundreds of millions" in revenue) with some basic facts and math, and you go all childish with personal shots? Grow up.

Do you have something to say about the stadium development? If not, send your insults over private message or better yet, keep your childish insults to yourself.

The cartoon wasn't a personal shot, it was an accurate characature of your monotonous whining and complaining.

[skphc08]

Originally Posted by Archie Teck

I'm a strong proponent of developing our cities. And I'm willing to bet I've done FAR more actual development than you have. However development has to be done with reason and common sense, otherwise it ultimately fails. Then you have a giant project sucking all the life and potential out of good projects. And big flop can put a chill on future development for years.

Read what I wrote, not the garbage being slung against me by people who are crying because their BS got debunked. You'll see I'm very pro-development.

Personally I am not trying to "sling any garbage." Prior to you actually providing links and sources for some of your points, much of what you said was unfounded speculation. Much of it still is. At least now you have backed up some of the arguments you make.

Just as you are pro-development I am not pro-dome per se personally. If it makes sense, I want to see it done. If it doesn't then I want to see the best option followed through.

The idea of a multi-use development is intriguing and has potential, IMO.

[Migs]

Originally Posted by Archie Teck

Here's a mesage to the pro-dome fanatics. Why don't you read the basic facts and web links I provided? If you could get past your animosity for two seconds you might see there's actually information in there that could actually support your argument. Do you just type out attacks or do you read what is presented and use your head to learn?

Those links show that big events on an individual basis CAN turn a profit. The Fargodome AC/DC concert generated more profit in one booking than Taylor Field did all of last year. That's something you could key on.

Also notice that Fargodome feeds a fund that is used by the city of Fargo for fiscal stabilization. That would suggest the Fargodome is not a giant money loser.

While each of these facts can be mitigated, they are things you could use to defend your position. At least that would be on topic and better than posting juvenile cartoons.

Why would I key on something in your link that most logical minded thinkers already know..... (ie it goes without saying')? Of course massive events like this concert are money makers for everyone involved.

[timewilltell]

Originally Posted by Archie Teck

I'm a strong proponent of developing our cities. And I'm willing to bet I've done FAR more actual development than you have. However development has to be done with reason and common sense, otherwise it ultimately fails. Then you have a giant project sucking all the life and potential out of good projects. And big flop can put a chill on future development for years.

Read what I wrote, not the garbage being slung against me by people who are crying because their BS got debunked. You'll see I'm very pro-development.

who cares

[trueviking]

the fargodome though, serves more as a convention centre with the ability to hold concets and football games than it does a true stadium...its scale is more like an arena...the economics of a large scale domed stadium would be very different.

if regina needs a convention centre, they should build one....the fargo hybrid is a poor compromise.

also, it is a brutal building...a terrible place for football and concerts...its basically a costco with retractable seats....

[Archie Teck]

Originally Posted by Migs

Why would I key on something in your link that most logical minded thinkers already know..... (ie it goes without saying')? Of course massive events like this concert are money makers for everyone involved.

Nice cover! Just like your hilarious cover when you got busted trying to claim "hundreds of millions" in annual stadium revenues: "Oh, uh, I actually meant hundreds of millions over the life of the stadium."

Now you're saying "oh, uh, the reason I missed those points was cause they were uh, so obvious, yeah, that I didn't feel like saying them. Yeah, that's the ticket"

And sticking to the topic here, if AC/DC, 2009's largest North American tour, is able to earn $180,000, then did you realize you'd need 55 such concerts per year just to pay the interest on this dome? Now you're claiming to be captain obvious, so even you probably can realize there won't be 55 AC/DC size events at the dome. Or do you disagree?

[Archie Teck]

Originally Posted by Migs

The cartoon wasn't a personal shot, it was an accurate characature of your monotonous whining and complaining.

You don't see that as an off-topic personal shot? I can't help you then.

[Archie Teck]

Originally Posted by trueviking

the fargodome though, serves more as a convention centre with the ability to hold concets and football games than it does a true stadium...its scale is more like an arena...the economics of a large scale domed stadium would be very different.

if regina needs a convention centre, they should build one....the fargo hybrid is a poor compromise.

also, it is a brutal building...a terrible place for football and concerts...its basically a costco with retractable seats....

I agree with you. However Regina already has decent space for conventions and trade shows. The business the dome fanatics are claiming for these events would all be the expense of the hotels, Evraz Place, and other pre-existing faciities. There wouldn't be a net gain for the community, but there would be a huge debt to pay and an expensive facility to operate.

[Rottie]

You've made your point. You think that building a new stadium is a wasteful use of money and there will be a huge debt to pay forever and you seem to know exactly how this process is going to play out being that everybody involved is just lining their pockets and it's all a conspiracy to bankrupt the city of Regina with false hope of making profit. Mosaic stadium is just fine the way it is (except for a little fix up money here and there) and should just keep enjoying the fact that the stadium is useless for 7 months of the year but that's ok because at least it doesn't cost anything to heat it. Just put some temporary seating next to the grandstand, it's good enough for you folks, hell why not ask people to bring their own lawn chairs, save some money there to. Regina and Saskatchewan doesn't deserve a first class facility, it will be too expensive so leave it for the big boys like Toronto whose average attendance at football games is I believe less than the Riders. It's just a fad. 1 losing season and your new stadium will be empty. I could go on but you get the point plus I gotta go. Did I miss anything soothsayer Archie?

[Migs]

Originally Posted by Rottie

You've made your point. You think that building a new stadium is a wasteful use of money and there will be a huge debt to pay forever and you seem to know exactly how this process is going to play out being that everybody involved is just lining their pockets and it's all a conspiracy to bankrupt the city of Regina with false hope of making profit. Mosaic stadium is just fine the way it is (except for a little fix up money here and there) and should just keep enjoying the fact that the stadium is useless for 7 months of the year but that's ok because at least it doesn't cost anything to heat it. Just put some temporary seating next to the grandstand, it's good enough for you folks, hell why not ask people to bring their own lawn chairs, save some money there to. Regina and Saskatchewan doesn't deserve a first class facility, it will be too expensive so leave it for the big boys like Toronto whose average attendance at football games is I believe less than the Riders. It's just a fad. 1 losing season and your new stadium will be empty. I could go on but you get the point plus I gotta go. Did I miss anything soothsayer Archie?

Its not worth it Rottie, the guy is so blinded by his own ridiculous agenda then he's beyond help (he thinks a downtown stadium is a waste of good space yet he actually believes downtown Regina needs more surface parking..lol). He's entitled to his opinion but when he repeats the same thing over and over and over again it gets to the point that this thread is no longer fun to participate in.

That said, the rest of us who are excited about this innevitable mulitpurpose stadium should've expected a few 'Calvert-like' folks to try and oppose this project....happens all the time when this province is on the verge of something big.

[yeeg]

Here's a thought.

Why dont they build a new stadium in the immediate vicinity of TF? The area I was thinking of is south of dewdney, west of albert and eas of the current stadium. The city would expropriate the land and houses and thus create more jobs as new homes would need to be built for those having to move. They could also keep the CP lands for future DT development as I think that would tie in better with the warehouse district to create a blend of the "new DT" and the "Old DT".

[Archie Teck]

Originally Posted by Rottie

You've made your point. You think that building a new stadium is a wasteful use of money and there will be a huge debt to pay forever and you seem to know exactly how this process is going to play out being that everybody involved is just lining their pockets and it's all a conspiracy to bankrupt the city of Regina with false hope of making profit. Mosaic stadium is just fine the way it is (except for a little fix up money here and there) and should just keep enjoying the fact that the stadium is useless for 7 months of the year but that's ok because at least it doesn't cost anything to heat it. Just put some temporary seating next to the grandstand, it's good enough for you folks

Although slanted a bit, yes this does sort of summarize what I'm saying, with the exception of claiming 7 months of disuse.

This next part is nothing I've ever said though:

Originally Posted by Rottie

, hell why not ask people to bring their own lawn chairs, save some money there to. Regina and Saskatchewan doesn't deserve a first class facility, it will be too expensive so leave it for the big boys like Toronto whose average attendance at football games is I believe less than the Riders. It's just a fad. 1 losing season and your new stadium will be empty.

The closest thing is I have said our current attendance is very close to our current seating capacity.

[Archie Teck]

Originally Posted by yeeg

Here's a thought.

Why dont they build a new stadium in the immediate vicinity of TF? The area I was thinking of is south of dewdney, west of albert and eas of the current stadium. The city would expropriate the land and houses and thus create more jobs as new homes would need to be built for those having to move. They could also keep the CP lands for future DT development as I think that would tie in better with the warehouse district to create a blend of the "new DT" and the "Old DT".

I'm with you that the current Taylor Field site is optimal for a stadium. I'm not sure annexing residential property is the way to go necessarily.

However the whitewash report very strangely looked only at a downtown site for the dome and just as oddly dictated an outskirts location for the open air stadium option. It's as if the authors wanted to boost their pre-selected plan (giant dome) and cripple any alternative options. They talked about a sports-entertainment corridor with the implication being that casino gambling was the "entertainment" in question, and the stadium would provide the "sports".

Personally I think there are interests at play here that have decided the dome must serve the casino. Since much is being kept secret, it will be awhile before we see if that's the case.

[StealthGirl]

Just a question here. If we do get this retractable dome stadium in the railyards, does anyone here have any clue about what sort of shows we might attract that we haven't had up to now. Yes, I know it would likely be a stronger bid for some events we've held before in other locations, but what new options might this open up? Use your imagination here. I'm curious.

[yeeg]

Originally Posted by StealthGirl

Just a question here. If we do get this retractable dome stadium in the railyards, does anyone here have any clue about what sort of shows we might attract that we haven't had up to now. Yes, I know it would likely be a stronger bid for some events we've held before in other locations, but what new options might this open up? Use your imagination here. I'm curious.

Some of you are going to hang me for this but I think/hope it will attract more kids shows like the wiggles and other big names that draw kids from all over. Believe it or not, if you can cater to the kids, you will have mounds of success.

[timewilltell]

Originally Posted by Migs

Its not worth it Rottie, the guy is so blinded by his own ridiculous agenda then he's beyond help (he thinks a downtown stadium is a waste of good space yet he actually believes downtown Regina needs more surface parking..lol). He's entitled to his opinion but when he repeats the same thing over and over and over again it gets to the point that this thread is no longer fun to participate in.

That said, the rest of us who are excited about this innevitable mulitpurpose stadium should've expected a few 'Calvert-like' folks to try and oppose this project....happens all the time when this province is on the verge of something big.

you are right

[timewilltell]

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[grumpy old man]

Originally Posted by Rottie

Regina and Saskatchewan doesn't deserve a first class facility, it will be too expensive so leave it for the big boys like Toronto whose average attendance at football games is I believe less than the Riders. It's just a fad. 1 losing season and your new stadium will be empty. I could go on but you get the point plus I gotta go. Did I miss anything soothsayer Archie?

Not sure what attendance at football games has to do with the price of tea in China. But 80 some-odd baseball games annually might play a role in profitability. NFL exhibition games. NBA basketball games (first 4 years of Raptors history). Car shows. Etc. However, I'm not sure that stadium ever would have turned a profit due to its enormous cost.

The sarcasm some bring to this debate is not really helping. Those arguing so passionately for a domed stadium really are letting passion and emotion govern their logic.

[grumpy old man]

Originally Posted by timewilltell

you are right he is turning something exciting into his own personal agenda a real jerk i say narrow minded with no sense of vision ALSO A BIG POT STIRROR

Originally Posted by timewilltell

He Has No Clue What He Is Talking About

Originally Posted by Migs

Its not worth it Rottie, the guy is so blinded by his own ridiculous agenda then he's beyond help (he thinks a downtown stadium is a waste of good space yet he actually believes downtown Regina needs more surface parking..lol). He's entitled to his opinion but when he repeats the same thing over and over and over again it gets to the point that this thread is no longer fun to participate in.

That said, the rest of us who are excited about this innevitable mulitpurpose stadium should've expected a few 'Calvert-like' folks to try and oppose this project....happens all the time when this province is on the verge of something big.

I've been following this thread with interest. I have to say that for the most part Archie Teck has been polite, offered reasoned opinion and considered debate.

On the other hand the rebuttals have been emotionally charged, rude and condescending.

More's the pity.