HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #3121  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 3:56 PM
trueviking's Avatar
trueviking trueviking is offline
surely you agree with me
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: winnipeg
Posts: 13,458
ah the good 'ol days.....

I thought anyone could say they are an engineer...it isn't a protected title the way architect is....cant say professional engineer but engineer is pretty much open to anyone is it not?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3122  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 4:06 PM
djforsberg's Avatar
djforsberg djforsberg is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Regina, SK
Posts: 2,959
Quote:
Originally Posted by trueviking View Post
ah the good 'ol days.....

I thought anyone could say they are an engineer...it isn't a protected title the way architect is....cant say professional engineer but engineer is pretty much open to anyone is it not?
Yes, but you cannot make the perception you are an expert at your field which includes giving advice.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3123  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 4:08 PM
drew's Avatar
drew drew is offline
the first stamp is free
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hippyville, Winnipeg
Posts: 8,013
Quote:
Originally Posted by trueviking View Post
ah the good 'ol days.....

I thought anyone could say they are an engineer...it isn't a protected title the way architect is....cant say professional engineer but engineer is pretty much open to anyone is it not?
No, it is protected much the same as "Architect".

The only exceptions that I know of are:

Power Engineers (facility maintenance people)

and

(Locomotive) Engineers (the people who drive trains).

Otherwise you need to be a P.Eng.

If you notice anyone using the title "Engineer" where they are not qualified, you can complain to the Association, who will take legal measures.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3124  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 4:37 PM
Cyro's Avatar
Cyro Cyro is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 5,197
Game-day planning a must
Plan ahead, go early, officials tell attendees


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...211159431.html
By: Oliver Sachgau

Any of you die hard bomber fans headin out to the game tonight? The true test. Parking should be interesting?
What do you think about the advertising strip. It's only a minor thing but it might have looked sharper extended the entire length of the upper private box deck? Yes probably a budget issue. Still looks sharp.
__________________
♥ ♥

Last edited by Cyro; Jun 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM. Reason: add stuff
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3125  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 4:45 PM
bomberjet bomberjet is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 13,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by drew View Post
The only thing that would make this Engineer talk more epic would be a good old fashioned Architects versus Engineers battle between me and TrueViking....
Annnd go!

Lol all kidding aside, (and to bring the off topic discussion on topic with an engineering question) I keep hearing from people around town about how the stadium is shoddy and there's cracks in the concrete all over the place. I'm not a P. Eng, but rather a C.E.T. at the current moment (will be changing in the near future), I'm not a design expert in structural engineering.

But I don't think most people realize that the concrete isn't there to hold everything up all on it's own. It's there to hold the steel inside the concrete in place, for the most part. Of course the concrete provides support as well. But most concrete has a crush strength of 30 mPa to 50 mPa. Where the steel would have a yield strength of something like 400 mPa. So it's the steel that's doing most of the work and the concrete is providing bracing for the steel.

So just because the walls are cracked doesn't mean the building will fall down. Concrete cracks. How does that sound Drew?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrodill View Post
Game-day planning a must
Plan ahead, go early, officials tell attendees

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...211159431.html
By: Oliver Sachgau

Any of you die hard bomber fans headin out to the game tonight? The true test. Parking should be interesting?
I'll be there! Myself and another friend will be driving and parking somewhere in a residential area (probably far away) and walking down. Then our two other friends will be using the free bus service from Club Regent. The Park & Ride Super Express Route 2. Non stop to the stadium gate! For free! How could you go wrong. We're just doing a comparison to see what the drive will be like. But I am going to say we'll be busing from the Casino most games. It should be fun with a bus load of Bomber fans!

http://winnipegtransit.com/en/special/bomberfanfare
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3126  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 4:51 PM
cllew cllew is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,991
Quote:
Originally Posted by drew View Post
No, it is protected much the same as "Architect".

The only exceptions that I know of are:

Power Engineers (facility maintenance people)

and

(Locomotive) Engineers (the people who drive trains).

Otherwise you need to be a P.Eng.

If you notice anyone using the title "Engineer" where they are not qualified, you can complain to the Association, who will take legal measures.
Our IBM / Infoprint / Ricoh service reps lost the title Customer Engineer years ago in an agreement with the Canadian and US Engineering Associations.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3127  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 5:00 PM
cllew cllew is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,991
I understand that MPI is going to be providing paid parking at their Bison Drive Service Center on event days. Has anybody heard where the money they will take in for this parking is going?

The Bombers, other charity, MPI revenues, Manitoba Govt revenue or ????
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3128  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 5:05 PM
bomberjet bomberjet is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 13,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by cllew View Post
I understand that MPI is going to be providing paid parking at their Bison Drive Service Center on event days. Has anybody heard where the money they will take in for this parking is going?

The Bombers, other charity, MPI revenues, Manitoba Govt revenue or ????
I'm going to speculate MPI general coffers. What else would you expect?!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3129  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 5:15 PM
cllew cllew is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,991
Quote:
Originally Posted by bomberjet View Post
I'm going to speculate MPI general coffers. What else would you expect?!
The parking fees from the 3 MPI lots by the MTS center goes to the True North group (i.e. the Jets) for all major events, and I was wondering if the Bombers had the same deal from MPI.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3130  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 5:20 PM
bomberjet bomberjet is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 13,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by cllew View Post
The parking fees from the 3 MPI lots by the MTS center goes to the True North group (i.e. the Jets) for all major events, and I was wondering if the Bombers had the same deal from MPI.
Oh yeah, then it's a possibility they do.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3131  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 6:13 PM
drew's Avatar
drew drew is offline
the first stamp is free
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hippyville, Winnipeg
Posts: 8,013
Quote:
Originally Posted by bomberjet View Post
Annnd go!

Lol all kidding aside, (and to bring the off topic discussion on topic with an engineering question) I keep hearing from people around town about how the stadium is shoddy and there's cracks in the concrete all over the place. I'm not a P. Eng, but rather a C.E.T. at the current moment (will be changing in the near future), I'm not a design expert in structural engineering.

But I don't think most people realize that the concrete isn't there to hold everything up all on it's own. It's there to hold the steel inside the concrete in place, for the most part. Of course the concrete provides support as well. But most concrete has a crush strength of 30 mPa to 50 mPa. Where the steel would have a yield strength of something like 400 mPa. So it's the steel that's doing most of the work and the concrete is providing bracing for the steel.

So just because the walls are cracked doesn't mean the building will fall down. Concrete cracks. How does that sound Drew?
There are cracks, and then there are CRACKS... if that makes any sense. I doubt (and hope) the stadium has any more serious issues than any other building.

Yes, you are right with concrete. The concrete itself has enormous capacity in terms of compression, but next to nothing in tension. Steel has enormous capacity in tension, but isn't as strong in compression.

Combine them together - and - voila. You can basically design around anything with concrete.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3132  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 6:27 PM
SHOFEAR's Avatar
SHOFEAR SHOFEAR is offline
DRINK
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: City Of Champions
Posts: 8,219
I would assume Manitoba is very similar.

Quote:
RESERVED Title


The Engineering and Geosciences Professions (EGP) Act states that no individual, corporation, or other entity shall represent that it is entitled to engage in the practice of engineering or geoscience unless they are licenced by APEGA to do so. This includes the use of specific reserved titles named in the Act, as well as more general use of titles or words that could mislead the public based on specific context and usage. For individuals, licensure is achieved by becoming a Professional Member of APEGA. For corporations or other entities, licensure is achieved by obtaining a valid Permit to Practice issued by APEGA. It is important to note that licensure in another jurisdiction does not entitle the holder to use reserved titles in Alberta.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?


For the same reason that a person seeking treatment at a medical facility should expect that the person using the title “Doctor” is a licensed medical doctor, people seeking services from an individual or company purporting to practice engineering or geoscience should also receive professional service from licensed practitioners.

RESERVED TITLES UNDER THE EGP ACT
TITLES SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY STATUTE FOR APEGA MEMBERS – INDIVIDUALS

TITLES SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY STATUTE FOR PERMIT HOLDERS – CORPORATIONS

TITLES GENERALLY RESERVED BY STATUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS

OTHER REPRESENTATIONS PROHIBITED BY STATUTE

APPROPRIATE TITLE USE FOR ENGINEERS AND GEOSCIENTIST IN TRAINING, LICENSEES, APPLICANTS, & TECHNOLOGISTS

POWER ENGINEERS, TRAIN ENGINEERS, AND OTHERS

LEARNING MORE


If this overview has not resolved all of your questions or concerns about reserved titles, please have a look through our FAQ’s or contact any member of the Compliance Department directly; it is our pleasure to work with you to ensure that you or any party you are concerned about are well informed and in compliance with statute.






TITLES SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY STATUTE
FOR APEGA MEMBERS– INDIVIDUALS
The following titles are specifically reserved for professional members of APEGA by statute and may not be used in in any context in Alberta by anyone who is not licensed by APEGA.

Professional Engineer P. Eng., or any other abbreviation
Professional Geologist P. Geol., or any other abbreviation
Professional Geophysicist P. Geoph., or any other abbreviation
Professional Geoscientist P. Geo.,or any other abbreviation
Professional Licensee (Eng/Geol/Geoph/Geo) Or any other abbreviation


TITLES SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY STATUTE
FOR PERMIT HOLDERS – CORPORATIONS
No corporation or other entity may be incorporated or registered with the words “engineering”, “geology”, “geophysics”, or “geoscience”, or their abbreviations, in Alberta.



TITLES GENERALLY RESERVED BY STATUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS
APEGA generally recommends that unless a person is a professional member of APEGA, they should avoid using the words “engineer”, “geologist”, “geophysicist”, or “geoscientist” in any position title or representation to ensure that they remain in compliance with statute and to ensure that no one is misled by their title. This is because the EGP Act prohibits unlicensed individuals or companies from using titles that represent or imply that they are entitled to engage in the practice of engineering or geoscience. In determining if a title is compliant with this part of the statute, it is common to look at both the CONTEXT and the USAGE of the title.

Some exceptions to the rule do exist – click here for exceptions.

A sample of some position titles to avoid unless you are licensed

Civil Engineer

Sales Engineer

Pipeline Engineer

Chief Geophysicist

Wellsite Geologist

Exploration Geoscientist

Field Engineer

Senior Geoscientist

Field Geologist

Reservoir Engineer

To illustrate how context and usage are evaluated, if a person working for a design firm uses the position title “Mechanical Engineer”, the context (design) and the use of the word “engineer” combined with the word “mechanical”, which is a recognized field of engineering, could easily lead a reasonable person to believe the title user is entitled to practice engineering. Alternately, if a person working in a bakery uses the position title “Cupcake Engineer”, the context (bakery) and the use of the word “engineer” combined with the word “cupcake” is unlikely to lead a reasonable person to believe that the title user is entitled to practice engineering.


OTHER REPRESENTATIONS PROHIBITED BY STATUTE
The EGP Act prohibits individuals and corporations from making any representation, expressly or by implication that they are entitled to engage in the practice of engineering or geoscience.

A sample of some representations to avoid unless you are licensed

“Talk to our engineering team about your design needs.”

“My/our professional services include: Engineering, drafting, etc.”

“Services offered: engineering, etc.”

“Our engineers provide economical and practical solutions to your design needs”

“John Doe, C. Eng., Structural Designer”

“Our team of reservoir specialists uses the latest in geological techniques to identify reserves.”


APPROPRIATE TITLE USE FOR ENGINEERS AND GEOSCIENTIST IN TRAINING, LICENSEES, APPLICANTS, & TECHNOLOGISTS
APEGA has several classes of membership in addition to professional membership. Some classes of members are entitled to use titles that would generally be reserved by statue for professional members as long as they make it clear at all times that they are not professional engineers or geoscientists.

Classes of APEGA member who can use the word “engineer”, “geologist”, “geophysicist” or “geoscientist” in a position title.

Engineers in Training • Geoscientists in Training

Provisional Licensees • Professional Licensees

Life Members

Acceptable form of title use: Example:

Member Name, APEGA Designation
Position Title
John Doe, P. Lic. (Eng.)
Civil Engineer



Technologists or engineering school graduates who are not members of APEGA in the categories listed above should not use the words “engineer”, “geology”, “geophysics” or “geoscientist” in their position titles unless it is in the context of “engineering technologist”, “geological technologist”, etc.

Power Engineers, Train Engineers, and Others
Some individuals can use specific titles that include the word “engineer” in Alberta without typically being opposed by APEGA.

Individuals holding a valid license in accordance with the Power Engineers Regulation when using the title on their license. These include:

- Power Engineers
- Shift Engineers
- Assistant Engineers

Train Engineers who operate locomotives and who are appropriately licensed or certified by the Government of Canada or appropriate regulatory body when using their given title.

Flight Engineers, Aircraft Maintenance Engineers, or Marine Engineers who are appropriately licensed or certified by the Government of Canada or appropriate regulatory body when using their given title.

Sound, Mixing, or Audio Engineers whose work or activities are limited exclusively to the entertainment industry.

Any individual who uses the titles listed above for the purpose of causing someone to believe that they are entitled to engage in the practice of engineering would be considered in violation of the EGP Act and subject to enforcement action by APEGA.



Learning More

If this overview has not resolved all of your questions or concerns about reserved titles, please have a look through our FAQ’s or contact any member of the Compliance Department directly; it is our pleasure to work with you to ensure that you or any party you are concerned about are well informed and in compliance with statute.
__________________
Lana. Lana. Lana? LANA! Danger Zone
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3133  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 6:33 PM
SHOFEAR's Avatar
SHOFEAR SHOFEAR is offline
DRINK
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: City Of Champions
Posts: 8,219
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisallard5454 View Post
Interesting assertion. Noted. I am not officially an engineer yet, as I have yet to obtain my certification, however I am only 2 months away from graduating (top of my class as well) and then I will have the nice little certificate that says I am qualified to provide an educated guess at how sound will react in a stadium environment. Thank you though for trying to undermine my opinion. I hope you weren't trying to make me feel like shit on purpose, because that was most definitely the end result. Read the second paragraph and tell me again, with confidence that you don't find my opinion to be valid, simply because I don't have a BSc.

.
Educated guess? You mean you are able to do the work under the supervision of an Engineer. Any educated guesses are his call, afterall, he is the one stamping any documents or drawings and taking responsibility.

For what it's worth, when I was an EIT my business cards reffered to my job title as Project Engineering, not Project Engineer. Don't screw around with stuff like this, you could easily get burned.




Shofear, P.Eng.
__________________
Lana. Lana. Lana? LANA! Danger Zone
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3134  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 6:45 PM
bomberjet bomberjet is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 13,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by drew View Post
There are cracks, and then there are CRACKS... if that makes any sense. I doubt (and hope) the stadium has any more serious issues than any other building.

Yes, you are right with concrete. The concrete itself has enormous capacity in terms of compression, but next to nothing in tension. Steel has enormous capacity in tension, but isn't as strong in compression.

Combine them together - and - voila. You can basically design around anything with concrete.
Yeah exactly. I seen some cracks on my tour of the stadium, but no CRACKS. I wasn't able to get access to the bowels of the building and see the columns or beams. Most noticeable will be on the ramps to the second level. There's no saw cuts so there's some cracking going on. But only at the places you'd expect them to be. I think people over react because it's brand new.

I poured a new sidewalk two years ago and decided not to cut it. It cracked exactly where expected and actually cracked in less locations than I had thought. That says my rebar was good with very little engineering involved, basically nil. I wanted to go for the continuous slab look. If engineers spent countless hours designing this stadium, one would assume it's all good.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3135  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 6:49 PM
Cyro's Avatar
Cyro Cyro is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 5,197
As a regular poster I am not involved in the exclusive "club" people are posting about. No one will respond to this post or probably cares..But is this thread not about IGF, the Bombers Stadium?

If I posted my credentials in Law Enforcement here would I be asked to move it along, possibly to another thread? It would happen in a second. I respect all in these fields and enjoy the comments and posts by professionals.

So it's just a thought..Curious how people will respond.. Fire away, as long as it has to due with the topic of thread? And pls. don't say thiers people that handle this, I know but have you read the last 2 pages? thx.
__________________
♥ ♥
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3136  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 7:10 PM
cllew cllew is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,991
While we are off topic and talking about engineering what is the professional status of somebody like Winnipeg's CAO Phil Sheegl's considered to be?

I am only asking about him because I understand he is a grad of the U of M engineering faculty (mid 80's) but I never see PEng after his name when they talk about his role with the city of Winnipeg so I am guessing he has never completed the EIT requirements to get his designation.

Would you loose your ability to enter the EIT program if you have been out of the faculty for as long as he has, or could you just get a refresher semester or two and get back into the program?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3137  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 7:13 PM
djforsberg's Avatar
djforsberg djforsberg is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Regina, SK
Posts: 2,959
I wish the game was televised... Can't wait to see it in action.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3138  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 7:14 PM
cllew cllew is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrodill View Post
As a regular poster I am not involved in the exclusive "club" people are posting about. No one will respond to this post or probably cares..But is this thread not about IGF, the Bombers Stadium?

If I posted my credentials in Law Enforcement here would I be asked to move it along, possibly to another thread? It would happen in a second. I respect all in these fields and enjoy the comments and posts by professionals.

So it's just a thought..Curious how people will respond.. Fire away, as long as it has to due with the topic of thread? And pls. don't say thiers people that handle this, I know but have you read the last 2 pages? thx.
I am sure by the end of the game tonight we will be back to talking about what worked and didn't work in the new stadium.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3139  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 7:23 PM
Riverman's Avatar
Riverman Riverman is offline
Fossil fuel & rubber
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Ontario's feel good town
Posts: 4,029
Quote:
Originally Posted by djforsberg View Post
I wish the game was televised..

That's odd...I figured it would be.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3140  
Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 7:52 PM
bomberjet bomberjet is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 13,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrodill View Post
As a regular poster I am not involved in the exclusive "club" people are posting about. No one will respond to this post or probably cares..But is this thread not about IGF, the Bombers Stadium?

If I posted my credentials in Law Enforcement here would I be asked to move it along, possibly to another thread? It would happen in a second. I respect all in these fields and enjoy the comments and posts by professionals.

So it's just a thought..Curious how people will respond.. Fire away, as long as it has to due with the topic of thread? And pls. don't say thiers people that handle this, I know but have you read the last 2 pages? thx.
You're right. But sometimes it's easier to finish off the off topic conversation rather than moving it to another thread and the topic never get's followed up on. This topic was somewhat relevant to the topic of the stadium starting about the wavy roof's sound qualities and the engineering, or lack there of, behind it.

Instead of moving the good discussion to another thread where it will die, let it run it's course for a couple hours and someone will get the conversation back on topic. Or try to at least. But I agree it does get tiresome after days of tree talk in a construction thread.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 9:11 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.