The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion - Page 38

Riverman · #**741** Posted **Dec 11, 2015, 10:28 PM**

And without firing any nurses or teachers.

Tacheguy · #**742** Posted **Dec 11, 2015, 10:53 PM**

The ndp have to go. They have squandered the opportunity to tighten the fiscal framework during a period of fairly strong economic growth.
But let's take off the rose coloured glasses when it comes to filmon. The only time since the Great Depression when Manitoba had back to back years of negative growth were during his watch. Downtown Winnipeg was set back for decades as public service HQ jobs were transferred to places like Riverton and Portage. I can't recall one downtown development requiring a construction crane during those years. The jets left. Our casinos were located in the sticks. But otherwise he was great...

Riverman · #**743** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 5:48 PM**

Just is case you didn't know, Riverton and Portage are in Manitoba. Why do you think all provincial government jobs have to be in Winnipeg?

Urban recluse · #**744** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 5:56 PM**

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But let's take off the rose coloured glasses when it comes to filmon. The only time since the Great Depression when Manitoba had back to back years of negative growth were during his watch. Downtown Winnipeg was set back for decades as public service HQ jobs were transferred to places like Riverton and Portage. I can't recall one downtown development requiring a construction crane during those years. The jets left. Our casinos were located in the sticks. But otherwise he was great...

Manitoba was not alone; there was a recession that affected North America. Despite that, Filmon's management of the province's finances was admirable.

esquire · #**745** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 6:08 PM**

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Manitoba was not alone; there was a recession that affected North America. Despite that, Filmon's management of the province's finances was admirable.

Interesting how you defend Filmon by citing a continent wide recession but fail to extend that courtesy to Selinger, who has governed during similar circumstances. Why does one get off the hook but not the other?

Urban recluse · #**746** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 6:19 PM**

Because Sellinger raised the PST, is spending like there is no tomorrow, and the province's credit rating is suffering.

jmt18325 · #**747** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 6:34 PM**

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Because Sellinger raised the PST, is spending like there is no tomorrow, and the province's credit rating is suffering.

I'll point this out again - the credit rating was worse under the PCs. The NDP had something like 4 upgrades and 2 downgrades.

As to spending - yes - on infrastructure and health. If you're telling me the PCs will cut either of those, I'm telling you that they'll lose, no matter how unpopular the NDP is right now.

Urban recluse · #**748** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 6:45 PM**

I am no telepath, so reading Pallister's mind--if he is being truthful about not following the extreme cust under Filmon--is something I cannot do. All I can do is speculate that he will make cuts, progress to fiscal responsibility, and reduce taxes.

I am almost certain the only downgrades were during the NDP's time in office. I know it was upgraded in the late 90s when Filmon was still in office. It was downgraded when Pawley was in office in the mid 80s.

jmt18325 · #**749** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 6:59 PM**

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I am almost certain the only downgrades were during the NDP's time in office. I know it was upgraded in the late 90s when Filmon was still in office. It was downgraded when Pawley was in office in the mid 80s.

You're right about that - the downgrades were all under the NDP. There hasn't been one before this since 1985. That said, we're still at the 3rd best level. Manitoba's last upgrade was in 2007, according to budget documents. The downgrade has a lot to do with the foolishness over at Hydro, being supported by this government.

Urban recluse · #**750** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 7:02 PM**

I think it is time for the Liberal Party to manage the province.

jmt18325 · #**751** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 7:09 PM**

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I think it is time for the Liberal Party to manage the province.

I would agree with that. I don't want the PCs in power with this leader (I liked McFadden better) and the NDP under Selinger is certainly not the NDP under Doer.

Tacheguy · #**752** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 7:39 PM**

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Just is case you didn't know, Riverton and Portage are in Manitoba. Why do you think all provincial government jobs have to be in Winnipeg?

Just in case your reading comprehension is a bit off, I specified HQ jobs.

Riverman · #**753** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 9:49 PM**

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Downtown Winnipeg was set back for decades as public service HQ jobs were transferred to places like Riverton and Portage.

My reading comprehension is just fine. Here, I put the quote nice and close so you can see it. What is wrong with some government offices in rural areas, because they don't vote NDP there?

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I can't recall one downtown development requiring a construction crane during those years. The jets left.

Is this the fault of the Filmon government? Development and pro sports are private industries. They act on what will make them money. Or are you being a good Manitoban and suggesting that all development and entertainment should be government supplied?

jmt18325 · #**754** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 10:01 PM**

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My reading comprehension is just fine. Here, I put the quote nice and close so you can see it. What is wrong with some government offices in rural areas, because they don't vote NDP there?

Generally, decentralized offices are more expensive. There's no reason that almost all of government shouldn't be in the capital.

Riverman · #**755** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 10:29 PM**

Maybe in the past but not today.

Riverman · #**756** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 10:30 PM**

This is interesting.

https://www.cdhowe.org/we-studied-te...surprise-you-1

jmt18325 · #**757** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 10:34 PM**

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Maybe in the past but not today.

I'd need some evidence of that. There are still many logistical costs to decentralization.

jmt18325 · #**758** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 10:34 PM**

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This is interesting.

https://www.cdhowe.org/we-studied-te...surprise-you-1

I'm actually surprised by that. I think that teachers should make a reasonable wage for people of their education. I'm not sure what level that is, exactly.

Tacheguy · #**759** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 10:39 PM**

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This is interesting.

https://www.cdhowe.org/we-studied-te...surprise-you-1

Well that explains the reading comprehension issue. "Some jobs in rural areas" is not the same thing as HQ jobs in rural areas.

Tacheguy · #**760** Posted **Dec 12, 2015, 10:50 PM**

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I'd need some evidence of that. There are still many logistical costs to decentralization.

Services should be more centralized now to improve quality and reduce costs.