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pegster · #**7581** Posted **Apr 11, 2024, 9:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by lotw_wpg

Never been to these cities except Detroit. Is it that bad downtown?

As was said above, downtown Detroit and the surrounding neighborhoods (Midtown, Corktown, Eastern Market), have undergone substantial revitalization since the dark days post-bankruptcy. Having been there several times in recent years, it seems like something we could only hope for.

Detroit's problems are deeper but further out, in the vast nothingness that used to be residential neighborhoods, and are now empty lots and burned out homes.

rdaner · #**7582** Posted **Apr 12, 2024, 4:11 AM**

I know that it can be tempting to compare Canadian and American cities but be very careful as it is a bit of apples and oranges. Yes Pittsburgh has seen investment in the core but it is government driven and the city and region are losing population. Same with Detroit which has seen impressive numbers compared to where they were but remember the level that they started from.

Don't forget that Winnipeg's overall stats are very good as it has much higher density overall all than most US metros as well much more stable finances. Don't let a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington fool you into thinking that many US metros are anything but severley disfunctional disasters that are not addressing core problems. I speak from experience as my siblings live in once great Northeastern US metros whose problems embarrass them and if it wasn't for the money they make there would move back tomorrow.

Ozabald · #**7583** Posted **Apr 12, 2024, 4:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by rdaner

I know that it can be tempting to compare Canadian and American cities but be very careful as it is a bit of apples and oranges. Yes Pittsburgh has seen investment in the core but it is government driven and the city and region are losing population. Same with Detroit which has seen impressive numbers compared to where they were but remember the level that they started from.

Don't forget that Winnipeg's overall stats are very good as it has much higher density overall all than most US metros as well much more stable finances. Don't let a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington fool you into thinking that many US metros are anything but severley disfunctional disasters that are not addressing core problems. I speak from experience as my siblings live in once great Northeastern US metros whose problems embarrass them and if it wasn't for the money they make there would move back tomorrow.

The revitalization of Detroit and other US "rust belt" cities is more than "a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington". Much of D/T Detroit's revitalization is privately funded. Here's a small sample of what's currently happening in 2024: https://www.detroitchamber.com/major...ng%20in%202024.

When major retailers like Target, Nike, H&M, Lululemon, Whole Foods, etc. are setting-up shop in a city's D/T, it's a vote of confidence. Though Detroit has a long ways to go, it has come far from when it hosted the Superbowl in 2006 when D/T abandoned buildings and broken windows were hidden by banners. One unique fact about Detroit is that it is the only city in North America to have its four major sports teams play within its downtown.

BKB · #**7584** Posted **Apr 12, 2024, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ozabald

The revitalization of Detroit and other US "rust belt" cities is more than "a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington". Much of D/T Detroit's revitalization is privately funded. Here's a small sample of what's currently happening in 2024: https://www.detroitchamber.com/major...ng%20in%202024.

When major retailers like Target, Nike, H&M, Lululemon, Whole Foods, etc. are setting-up shop in a city's D/T, it's a vote of confidence. Though Detroit has a long ways to go, it has come far from when it hosted the Superbowl in 2006 when D/T abandoned buildings and broken windows were hidden by banners. One unique fact about Detroit is that it is the only city in North America to have its four major sports teams play within its downtown.

Pittsburgh? The Twin Cities sort of qualify.

pegcityboy · #**7585** Posted **Apr 13, 2024, 12:42 AM**

Pittsburgh only has the 3 major sports , no NBA and Minneapolis has Twins , Vikings and Timberwolves downtown with the Wild in downtown St. Paul .

Justanothermember · #**7586** Posted **Apr 13, 2024, 3:08 AM**

Soooooooo, how about the Sutton Hotel finally recommencing construction!

FactaNV · #**7587** Posted **Apr 13, 2024, 3:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Soooooooo, how about the Sutton Hotel finally recommending construction!

Announcement of some sort today?

Winnipeg Grump · #**7588** Posted **Apr 17, 2024, 3:28 PM**

Well, well, well. Look what we have here.
They're cleaning up the site and have removed all of the tarps that were covering up the openings to the below-grade space.

ColdRain&Snow · #**7589** Posted **Apr 17, 2024, 4:02 PM**

[QUOTE=Winnipeg Grump;10186740]Well, well, well. Look what we have here.
They're cleaning up the site and have removed all of the tarps that were covering up the openings to the below-grade space.

Hooray!

Biff · #**7590** Posted **Apr 17, 2024, 4:53 PM**

For reference after they put the site into hibernation.

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WinCitySparky · #**7591** Posted **Apr 17, 2024, 5:03 PM**

Grump is always watching over us

pspeid · #**7592** Posted **Apr 17, 2024, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Grump is always watching over us

So Grump is kind of a downtown construction angel?

Winnipeg Grump · #**7593** Posted **Apr 17, 2024, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

For reference after they put the site into hibernation.

Wild that since then the RWB project wrapped and the whole Wawanesa project was completed.

bomberjet · #**7594** Posted **Apr 17, 2024, 5:45 PM**

It's only been 3 years since that post!!

FactaNV · #**7595** Posted **Apr 18, 2024, 10:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

Well, well, well. Look what we have here.
They're cleaning up the site and have removed all of the tarps that were covering up the openings to the below-grade space.

Does that mean construction is imminent?

Biff · #**7596** Posted **Apr 19, 2024, 1:14 PM**

Supposed to restart in June.

zalf · #**7597** Posted **Apr 19, 2024, 1:56 PM**

There were dudes with hammers and power tools out there this morning doing hammer-and-power-tool stuff

WinCitySparky · #**7598** Posted **Apr 19, 2024, 2:36 PM**

That’s how you know it’s construction ^

Winnipeg Grump · #**7599** Posted **Apr 19, 2024, 2:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by zalf

There were dudes with hammers and power tools out there this morning doing hammer-and-power-tool stuff

Took the orange tarps off and now they're covering up the stairwell piece again?

Kinguni · #**7600** Posted **Apr 20, 2024, 1:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Supposed to restart in June.

Saw that the crane boom had moved the other day. It was hanging over Carlton St.