Fort McMurray Construction - Page 6

Chadillaccc · #**101** Posted **Oct 19, 2012, 7:02 AM**

Wow, that is very impressive! With all the money coming into the Mac I don't see why they can't build it.

rmwb · #**102** Posted **Oct 24, 2012, 11:15 PM**

Shell Place Fly Through: A little more on the MacDonald Island park Expansion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qBBUih5ois

Tropics · #**103** Posted **Oct 26, 2012, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Wow, that is very impressive! With all the money coming into the Mac I don't see why they can't build it.

More money leaves Fort Mac then comes back into it. While Fort Mac is, and will continue to be the economic engine for Alberta and Canada for decades to come the city and the people who live and work there to create that huge amount of income see little benefit. The downtown is a mess, the highway between FM and Edmonton is a deathtrap and completely inadequate, the real estate prices are insane due to the province dragging their heels on releasing land and spurring development, ect...

Fort Mac is being treated like a temporary boomtown by the province and federal government, they simply do not want to spend alot of money on it as they a shelf life on it that expires when the oil sands do. It is a little BS because with the Grosmont Formation right there as well and the future development of oil and gas in the North Fort Mac has the potential to be an important city for a long, long time.

Fort Mac NEEDS to be made into a place where people actually want to live and work beyond the current single drive of the almighty dollar. It needs to have amenities and nice areas such as that waterfront proposal, far nicer shopping options (Peter Pond Mall is one of the most profitable malls/sq foot on this planet so the market is definately there). It needs the twinning of 63 all the way to Edmonton and it needs it ASAP. It needs a huge redevelopment of the downtown core and hopefully a push to create a space that entices alot more white collar jobs connected to the oil sands into leaving Calgary and coming to Fort Mac.

fortroad · #**104** Posted **Nov 13, 2012, 6:03 AM**

New office/shopping complex in the Fort McBurbs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUsEm7asWJ8

rmwb · #**105** Posted **Nov 14, 2012, 8:16 PM**

Very nice! The Canadian Brewhouse will be a welcome addition to the fort mac Bar/Pub scene. Its nice to see mixed-use private investments following the big public commitments (Civic center, Sakitawaw Trail, Rec Center, 63).

Id love to see a few buildings in the 10-20 (hell, id take anything between 5-15) story range develop in the DT core. I think the resemblance of a skyline would go a long ways towards improving the visitor/commuter perception of the city.

rmwb · #**106** Posted **Nov 16, 2012, 1:32 AM**

Here are some very interesting tweets from Fort McMurray councilor Sheldon Germain:
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@SheldonGermain
We must look beyond roads for getting people home safely. Fort McMurray needs Light Rapid Rail from the Airport to Industry. #ymm #hwy63
@Chris_Toutant @tyler_king #monarail We need vision and collaboration to keep our friends and family safe. #ymm #AirporttoIndustry
@astcroix215 @MikeAllenMLA #YMM I have requested Council to investigate partnerships with Industry and levels of gov't for #LRT.

An LRT would be huge in fort Mcmurray. Obviously nothing is close to happening but it is exciting to know that the city is kicking the tires on a rail transit system.

s211 · #**107** Posted **Nov 16, 2012, 3:56 PM**

Note to Sheldon. How are those prime Fort Mc drugs working for you? Rapid transit??? In Fort Mc???

rmwb · #**108** Posted **Nov 16, 2012, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

Note to Sheldon. How are those prime Fort Mc drugs working for you? Rapid transit??? In Fort Mc???

My first reaction was comparable. but...

From a ridership perspective it would make sense. 100's of buses make multiple trips north every single day.

Financially speaking, it is do able, if the Oil Giants get involved. Suncor had plans set for a rail transit from Mellenium mine to Fort Hills. They tried to get other operators in on it to split the cost; none bit and the project was dropped. If someone can bring these operators together it could be done with very little public assistance.

rapid_business · #**109** Posted **Nov 16, 2012, 6:55 PM**

Exactly. It sounds crazy, but the ridership might exist. I'd like to see trip generation numbers for current and future projects.

fortroad · #**110** Posted **Nov 16, 2012, 8:50 PM**

^If you look at ridership, Suncor Alone has 3 separate bus runs of 17 routes. Depending on the time; each route has 3 buses filled to capacity going to site. What You are looking at 7:00 am and 4:00 pm is up to 50 busses leaving the same location and dropping off throughout town. Don't forget that Syncrude, CNRL and Shell have the same thing going on. There are a lot of buses going back and forth, where an LRT could pick up in nodes and service all the sites.

s211 · #**111** Posted **Nov 17, 2012, 7:10 PM**

So... having 10,000 guys all wanting to ride at once, and a system dead the rest of the time makes sense? Who's your guys' pusher? Bombardier?

bulliver · #**112** Posted **Nov 17, 2012, 7:18 PM**

^ Fort McMurray is not a 9-5 kind of town. There are many different shifts that run 24/7.

rmwb · #**113** Posted **Nov 20, 2012, 12:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by s211

So... having 10,000 guys all wanting to ride at once, and a system dead the rest of the time makes sense? Who's your guys' pusher? Bombardier?

There are 8 10 and 12 hour shifts at all of the mines. Different operators have different 12 hour shift change time, ranging from 06:30 -08:30. I havent even mentioned the night shift.

While the service industry is not huge, 10000's of people circulate the downtown core daily. Keyano College offers University studies and extensive trade studies and is located downtown. All of this would add to the mid-day ridership.

For arguments sake, lets say the lrt would be dead most times. I don't think it would matter much. If its built, it would primarily be built to get 10000's of people north of town every day. If it can do this more effectively than the fleet of buses that diversified utilizes, I don't think it would matter if it gets low day time ridership. It will have a specific goal, and it could easily accomplish that. Anything else would be a bonus, especially if the operators will contribute to financing.

rmwb · #**114** Posted **Nov 29, 2012, 6:52 PM**

http://www.mymcmurray.com/the-city-w...redevelopment/

"Fort McMurray is one step closer to a new downtown sports and entertainment complex at Franklin (ave) and Morrison (st).

Municipal council gave the green light yesterday to expropriating land that it needs for the project if the city can’t come to an agreement with some businesses and homeowners."

Ive heard they will be looking for an arena capacity of 5000 - 10000, and dozens of luxury boxes. There is also "rumblings" of a resedential development to come along with the sports and ent. complex.

Tropics · #**115** Posted **Dec 2, 2012, 10:52 PM**

Ridership is not the issue, distance is. LRT costs alot of money with regards to price/km of track. The distance a LRT would have to travel to reach each site that people need to get to is up to 127km away from Fort McMurray. That would cost a MASSIVE amount of money. At the lowest you are looking at 30 million per a KM for LRT. To get to all of the sites you are thus looking at well over 3 billion dollars just in construction costs. That is simply not practical.

LRT works for relatively short commutes, for something like getting people from Fort Mac to the various sites you need something different.

It is a REALLY nice dream, the idea of being able to jump on a LRT and get to work quickly and on time due to avoiding the traffic on the 63, the added safety, the amount of traffic that would no longer be ON the 63 due to the people now on a train, ect... But it ain't gonna happen sadly. 3 billion dollars is alot of money, even to companies like Syncrude, Suncor, and Shell.

Chadillaccc · #**116** Posted **Dec 3, 2012, 7:39 AM**

Would be nice, but I see your point.

rapid_business · #**117** Posted **Dec 3, 2012, 4:44 PM**

Even the infrastructure for a 'commuter' train line seems cost-prohibitive considering the distance.

MrChills · #**118** Posted **Dec 11, 2012, 6:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Tropics

Ridership is not the issue, distance is. LRT costs alot of money with regards to price/km of track. The distance a LRT would have to travel to reach each site that people need to get to is up to 127km away from Fort McMurray. That would cost a MASSIVE amount of money. At the lowest you are looking at 30 million per a KM for LRT. To get to all of the sites you are thus looking at well over 3 billion dollars just in construction costs. That is simply not practical.

LRT works for relatively short commutes, for something like getting people from Fort Mac to the various sites you need something different.

It is a REALLY nice dream, the idea of being able to jump on a LRT and get to work quickly and on time due to avoiding the traffic on the 63, the added safety, the amount of traffic that would no longer be ON the 63 due to the people now on a train, ect... But it ain't gonna happen sadly. 3 billion dollars is alot of money, even to companies like Syncrude, Suncor, and Shell.

What would be more practical solution I think would be to have the LRT go as far as Syncrude, or perhaps to the CNRL turnoff and from these major stops (Suncor, Syncrude, CNRL, Albian) then have buses going back and forth to the actual sites from the LRT stops.

Tropics · #**119** Posted **Feb 16, 2013, 6:29 PM**

There are alot of new things in Fort Mac on the horizon.

The waterfront redevelopment plan is seeing what looks like a higher end (For Fort Mac) condo development coming about with this development.

Both from Watersedgefirst.com

Hopefully this summer we see some action on the redevelopment of the Snye and along the Clearwater as described in the Waterfront redevelopment program. That along with the downtown redevelopment are very needed.

Chadillaccc · #**120** Posted **Mar 26, 2013, 9:09 PM**

That is gorgeous!

When is it starting construction?

Maybe someone could do a photo tour of porjects sometime? That would be cool.

and just one question... WHEN is Fort Mac gonna have a skyline?!?