Ride-hailing in Metro Vancouver: Uber, Lyft, Sidecar - emerging technologies

[libtard]

Originally Posted by scottN

I think that ride sharing technologies like Uber Pool (actual ride sharing, not just hailing a ride for youself) could go a long way to improve the efficiency of our road network by raising the average occupancy of vehicles. Local governments can encourage this by creating more HOV lanes. If there are enough HOV lanes, then a shared ride could actually be faster than a dedicated one. I don't think we are there yet, as the HOV lanes we currently have are limited to highway 1 and a few bridge approaches. This will be the tipping point - when shared transportation is fast than private transportation there will be many many adopters. A few cities in the US have even developed a "slugging" culture in response to the HOV lane incentives.

You want people to get corona virus?

[scottN]

Originally Posted by libtard

You want people to get corona virus?

You're right we should also ban busses, tandem bicycles, line-ups and walking on the same side of the street as somebody else.

On second thought that won't work. Maybe we should simply lock everyone on earth in their own individual plastic bubble for the month of November to get rid of the coronavirus for good. I mean who likes November anyway?

[casper]

Originally Posted by scottN

You're right we should also ban busses, tandem bicycles, line-ups and walking on the same side of the street as somebody else.

On second thought that won't work. Maybe we should simply lock everyone on earth in their own individual plastic bubble for the month of November to get rid of the coronavirus for good. I mean who likes November anyway?

Well if we are going full board on automated vehicles why not add the automation to self sterilize the inside between passenger visit.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by libtard

But people on this site love buses. What will happen to the transit fantasy thread?

Originally Posted by libtard

Wow this forum never ceases to amaze me. High rises and public transit. Bring up anything that threatens these 2 things and you’ll be met by a ravenous mob denouncing their existence. Now we’ve got people arguing AGAINST autonomous vehicles too funny

Originally Posted by libtard

You want people to get corona virus?

So wait, what is your argument again? Do you even have one? Or are you just kicking shit around because you like stinky feet?

Earlier your replies seemed to indicate you were on board with the idea that there won't be a significant number of new vehicles on the road because a car holds 5 or 6 people, so you only need a low number to replace the capacity of 33 boarding/hour.

Now you are saying there should only be 1 person per car? Always? And all people should have a car?

If you are going to come one here and poke fun at people defending buses at least come with a coherent argument and not just pathetic one line sarcastic alt right talking points.

I don't think people on here love transit like they love pizza. I think a lot of people have come to the conclusion transit is an important tool used to maximize utility and thus improve the overall quality of life of society. You are going to need more than childish insults to convince them otherwise.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

So wait, what is your argument again? Do you even have one? Or are you just kicking shit around because you like stinky feet?

Earlier your replies seemed to indicate you were on board with the idea that there won't be a significant number of new vehicles on the road because a car holds 5 or 6 people, so you only need a low number to replace the capacity of 33 boarding/hour.

Now you are saying there should only be 1 person per car? Always? And all people should have a car?

If you are going to come one here and poke fun at people defending buses at least come with a coherent argument and not just pathetic one line sarcastic alt right talking points.

I don't think people on here love transit like they love pizza. I think a lot of people have come to the conclusion transit is an important tool used to maximize utility and thus improve the overall quality of life of society. You are going to need more than childish insults to convince them otherwise.

I am thinking about the public’s safety. We are in the grips of the second wave of the coronavirus pandemic. We are trying to limit the spread of it. Highway use has returned to pre pandemic levels because single occupancy vehicles are the safest way to transport people. I am absolutely an advocate of single occupancy vehicles, anything else would be incouraging the spread of a deadly disease. The keyword is SINGLE occupancy. Cramming people into a car like sardines is almost as bad as cramming people into a bus like sardines, it only increases the rate of infection

[Migrant_Coconut]

And yet AVs will only arrive 5-10 years from now when transit is back to normal and Covid is ancient history, so that entire train of thought is somewhat irrelevant.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And yet AVs will only arrive 5-10 years from now when transit is back to normal and Covid is ancient history, so that entire train of thought is somewhat irrelevant.

Your refusal to acknowledge the new normal we live in now is disturbing. Coronavirus has had a profound impact on civilization, it will never be “ancient history”. The days of packing sky trains and buses like sardines are over

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by libtard

Your refusal to acknowledge the new normal we live in now is disturbing. Coronavirus has had a profound impact on civilization, it will never be “ancient history”. The days of packing sky trains and buses like sardines are over

Funny thing about change - it changes. Just because you're hoping the virus sticks around forever (which itself is weird) doesn't mean it will, and once it slowly goes away, so does the fear of shared spaces. Most people aren't shut-ins.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

Your refusal to acknowledge the new normal we live in now is disturbing. Coronavirus has had a profound impact on civilization, it will never be “ancient history”. The days of packing sky trains and buses like sardines are over

We will see. Judging by history it seems like people have remarkably short memories.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

We will see. Judging by history it seems like people have remarkably short memories.

Even notably conservative Dr. Bonnie Henry sees vaccines rolling out here starting in January. This will fade relatively quickly once that starts happening. 2022 will be "back to normal".

[LeftCoaster]

No way things will not return to what it was like last year or at least very close.

We adopted that lifestyle because it was an efficient utilization of resources previously and we will revert to that utilization once Covid is behind us.

Our economy cannot keep up the current measures, be it transportation or social gatherings or any other forced separation issues.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

No way things will not return to what it was like last year or at least very close.

We adopted that lifestyle because it was an efficient utilization of resources previously and we will revert to that utilization once Covid is behind us.

Our economy cannot keep up the current measures, be it transportation or social gatherings or any other forced separation issues.

Hopefully with some good habits to boot. Wearing a mask on a jammed Skytrain over the winter is not the worst idea in the world.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Hopefully with some good habits to boot. Wearing a mask on a jammed Skytrain over the winter is not the worst idea in the world.

Wearing a mask in public when you're feeling poorly is a good idea, COVID or not. It's a good lesson to learn from Asian culture, IMHO.

[WestCoastEcho]

The lawsuit the taxi companies filed against the Passenger Transportation Board for approving Uber and Lyft has been dismissed:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lyft-1.5885588

Several taxi companies have lost a court bid to run Uber and Lyft off the road in British Columbia.

Nine Metro Vancouver cab companies filed a petition asking the B.C. Supreme Court to quash the decisions of the provincial Passenger Transportation Board allowing the ride-hailing companies to operate.

The cab companies argued that the board's decisions were "patently unreasonable," in part because they allowed Uber and Lyft an unlimited fleet size while the number of taxis is capped.

However, Justice Sandra Wilkinson says in a written ruling this week that the board carefully considered fleet size and decided not to limit ride-hailing cars, but left the issue open for future review.

[Migrant_Coconut]

If the taxi lobby has enough bread to keep lobbying for a whole twelve months, surely they have enough money to overhaul their crap-assed service and make it competitive?

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If the taxi lobby has enough bread to keep lobbying for a whole twelve months, surely they have enough money to overhaul their crap-assed service and make it competitive?

But that would be work!

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If the taxi lobby has enough bread to keep lobbying for a whole twelve months, surely they have enough money to overhaul their crap-assed service and make it competitive?

Exactly.

I don't mean to shit on other industries but an old-school taxi company failing to meet the needs of the new generation, is no one's fault but their own. If Blacktop or Yellow Cab (for example) just invested a bit of money into an online app, they would be able to remain competitive. And there's lots of tech companies in Vancouver qualified to do that for them.

Old school taxi companies have to take responsibility for their own downfall in this case because they have decades of ample resources to update their services. It shouldn't be a surprise that a competitor emerged from perfecting a cab company's common short-coming: the refusal to implement digital convenience.

This is very reminiscent to me of when Blockbuster was around when Netflix emerged. Netflix even offered them a deal that they refused, iirc.

[SpongeG]

I saw a car the other day, it had an Uber sign and a Lyft sign in the front window. Can drivers work for both?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I saw a car the other day, it had an Uber sign and a Lyft sign in the front window. Can drivers work for both?

Yes that's pretty much the norm.

[casper]

Originally Posted by scryer

Exactly.

I don't mean to shit on other industries but an old-school taxi company failing to meet the needs of the new generation, is no one's fault but their own. If Blacktop or Yellow Cab (for example) just invested a bit of money into an online app, they would be able to remain competitive. And there's lots of tech companies in Vancouver qualified to do that for them.

Old school taxi companies have to take responsibility for their own downfall in this case because they have decades of ample resources to update their services. It shouldn't be a surprise that a competitor emerged from perfecting a cab company's common short-coming: the refusal to implement digital convenience.

This is very reminiscent to me of when Blockbuster was around when Netflix emerged. Netflix even offered them a deal that they refused, iirc.

This is cross generational. They fail to meet the needs of older generations equally as well as newer generations.

They did develop an app, it is called eCab. It is crap. That is the reason everyone is going to use uber and lyft.

The reason it is crap is if you book a ride you can still end up waiting a random amount of time for your ride. If you book 24 hours ahead, you may still be waiting an extra hour if it is busy. There work systems and business model is messed up. Their customer service approach is based on a best selling business book published in Russia during the USSR on how to create customer experiences in a monopoly.