Western Expresso

[biguc]

You guys casting aspersions at natives should go back in time and take your grandparents away from their parents, and then take your parents away from them, and then when your parents were doing a bad job at raising you because they never learned how to be parents, you could get taken away too. And while you're at it, you could do this to everyone you ever grew up with.

Then, you could live a life where you and everyone you know has grown up without the granular institutions--family, community--that teach us how to do things like being parents, or being reliable employees. You could see how much easier just getting by is when you've had literally thousands of lessons every day of your life from when you were an infant that taught you how to get by.


And your colonial prescriptions for fixing other peoples' lives are just as garbage as all that came before.

[biguc]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

So the cost of the so called "freedom road" (certainly not free for anyone paying taxes) has jumped from $30M to $46.5M or 55% and this for a reserve with get this....on-reserve population of 266! Does this make any sense what so ever? That's $173,000 per resident , fuck me!

We flooded their fucking town out. Fuck us is right. We built this house, and now we have to live in it.

[1ajs]

Thank you biguc

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by biguc

You guys casting aspersions at natives should go back in time and take your grandparents away from their parents, and then take your parents away from them, and then when your parents were doing a bad job at raising you because they never learned how to be parents, you could get taken away too. And while you're at it, you could do this to everyone you ever grew up with.

Then, you could live a life where you and everyone you know has grown up without the granular institutions--family, community--that teach us how to do things like being parents, or being reliable employees. You could see how much easier just getting by is when you've had literally thousands of lessons every day of your life from when you were an infant that taught you how to get by.


And your colonial prescriptions for fixing other peoples' lives are just as garbage as all that came before.

Don't believe that residential schools were all bad, they weren't, up until the mid 1950's what was the leading cause of death in Canada? Answer: tuberculosis of which 90% of First Nations people were infected with and rightly or wrongly one of the ideas govt. came up with to fight this was the residential school system, it's easy to look back 50-80 years and say it was wrong and yes most of it was.

[Dan0myte]

Originally Posted by biguc

And your colonial prescriptions for fixing other peoples' lives are just as garbage as all that came before.

OK, I'll bite. What's your "prescription" for fixing this then?

[Urban recluse]

The status quo is definitely not working. They do need to be involved needless to say.

[1ajs]

what about all the lvls of government that fight over things all the time regarding natives

such as whos paying for medical care or a frickin pen let alone proper funding for people to run the water treatment plant that sits idle falling apart cause as soon as u get someone trained they leave for higher paying job els where thats more then double what they get paid there...

my fathers trying to organize a circuit he can do, going around to all the communities up in northern mb (reserve and none reserve) and is running into problems with government departments fighting with each other over funding afriad that ur steeling money from them for one or the other really bizar some people see what he wants to do and are trying province sent him for training of witch a class of 20 only 2 passed....

my father has his instrumentation ticket and likes being up there kinda a rare breed i poke him to not give up and he keeps poking around

[biguc]

Originally Posted by Dan0myte

OK, I'll bite. What's your "prescription" for fixing this then?

Honoring the treaties.


These are sovereign nations we made some incredibly favorable (to the settlers) agreements with, then proceeded to repeatedly break those agreements and failed to live up to our half-assed end of the bargain.

Now we're in a shitty situation where we have to make right on a lot of those past transgressions, and it's a lot more expensive than just not being dicks would have been. But it's only going to get more expensive in the future.

Recluse is right that the first nations need to be part of the solution, and you'll find that's what they've been asking for all along. There are very smart people representing the first nations making cogent arguments based on the laws that the treaties established. The "handouts" people think they want are just what they're due after 150 years of us violating the treaties.

[biguc]

I've been thinking a lot about the Hyperloop this week. Here in Canada we should be paying very careful attention to how the technology develops.

In Eastern Europe there seems to be great interest in its potential.

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/slovaki...tm_source=SFFB



Here, land is abundant and distances vast. This means we could build Hyperloop affordably, with little need for pylons or expensive expropriations. It also means we could achieve incredible connectivity between our cities. If these things really can move faster than 700mph, that puts a trip between Winnipeg and Regina at 30 minutes, and Regina to Calgary is only slightly longer. Build these things downtown to downtown, and those are commuting speeds.

Imagine commuting to your corporate job in Calgary every day, from Winnipeg. Or leaving home in Regina at 2 in the afternoon and getting to Winnipeg with spare time to heckle Bombers fans. Why not pop all the way across the prairies for Thanksgiving dinner? You can sleep off the tryptophan in your own bed.


Hyperloop also has enormous potential to open up the north. Thompson is only about 40 minutes away from Winnipeg. Ft. McMurray only about 20 from Edmonton. You can move goods in these things too, opening the possibility of more fresh, healthy, affordable food in northern markets that badly need it.

[James Gablan]

If the hyperloop was built along side the existing railway rights of way then the expropriation cost would be zero. And the rail roads already pass through the centre of all the cities in the country.

Also, hyperloop tubes are simply steel pipes the same as is used by the oil industry, we already have the capacity and expertise to build and maintain these systems locally.

I could see there being a big push to build these systems in Canada next decade, once electric cars start to make a significant dent in the demand for oil, the pipeline companies are going to have to look for areas in which to diversify.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by James Gablan

If the hyperloop was built along side the existing railway rights of way then the expropriation cost would be zero. And the rail roads already pass through the centre of all the cities in the country.

Also, hyperloop tubes are simply steel pipes the same as is used by the oil industry, we already have the capacity and expertise to build and maintain these systems locally.

I could see there being a big push to build these systems in Canada next decade, once electric cars start to make a significant dent in the demand for oil, the pipeline companies are going to have to look for areas in which to diversify.

Umm have you ever tried to buy land from a railway. They like to absolutely soak you. Also, the thing we lack in western Canada is population. That is why we have little intercity rail.

It would be great for Regina if Evraz Steel could get into the business of building hyper loop pipes!

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by biguc

I've been thinking a lot about the Hyperloop this week. Here in Canada we should be paying very careful attention to how the technology develops.

In Eastern Europe there seems to be great interest in its potential.

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/slovaki...tm_source=SFFB



Here, land is abundant and distances vast. This means we could build Hyperloop affordably, with little need for pylons or expensive expropriations. It also means we could achieve incredible connectivity between our cities. If these things really can move faster than 700mph, that puts a trip between Winnipeg and Regina at 30 minutes, and Regina to Calgary is only slightly longer. Build these things downtown to downtown, and those are commuting speeds.

Imagine commuting to your corporate job in Calgary every day, from Winnipeg. Or leaving home in Regina at 2 in the afternoon and getting to Winnipeg with spare time to heckle Bombers fans. Why not pop all the way across the prairies for Thanksgiving dinner? You can sleep off the tryptophan in your own bed.


Hyperloop also has enormous potential to open up the north. Thompson is only about 40 minutes away from Winnipeg. Ft. McMurray only about 20 from Edmonton. You can move goods in these things too, opening the possibility of more fresh, healthy, affordable food in northern markets that badly need it.

The Hyperloop is a very good idea. I'd love to be working in Winnipeg, and then go home to my girlfriend living up in Thompson at the end of the day. Or, if someone needed to see a specialist, but is only located in Winnipeg, they can take the Hyperloop down from say Flin Flon to Winnipeg in little time, and then be back just in time for lunch.

The Internet already brought a lot of people closer and connected, especially in this day and age of high-speed Internet. Now it's time have the same opportunity in physical form, like what the Internet did for the world. It will definitely change the way how we transport people and cargo.

It may take decades, or it may not. I'd love to see this happen in my lifetime though.

[Urban recluse]

Great for unemployed people to accept jobs in different jurisdictions without having to relocate.

[bomberjet]

Another great concept. But I don't really see it being feasible for a Flin Flon to Winnipeg run, and just in general. The cost from San Francisco to LA was $6B, from Elon Musk. Many say that's way too low.

[biguc]

That cost included buying land in California and building it on pylons. Both expenses don't exist in Western Canada. And we don't have earthquakes, which eliminates the biggest objection to Musk's estimate.

One major advantage I see to Hyperloop over high speed rail or any other kind of transportation is that it would create demand. I have next to no reason to go to Regina or Thompson, but put any place 30 minutes away and you turn the question 'why?' into 'why not?'. And even at ten dollar fares a single tube between Winnipeg and Regina could bounce a single car back and forth and generate a few million in revenues a year, which would be more than enough to cover operating expenses.

Imagine what a boon it would be for tourism too, if travelling between cities in Western Canada didn't mean a day's travel. Or if a trip to Churchill didn't involve a 48 hr train ride, but a Hyperloop blast to Thompson and a far shorter train trip from there.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Another great concept. But I don't really see it being feasible for a Flin Flon to Winnipeg run, and just in general. The cost from San Francisco to LA was $6B, from Elon Musk. Many say that's way too low.

So at least $10B CDN. You could buy everyone in Flin Flon or Thompson lifetime airline passes to Winnipeg for cheaper. The cost of a round trip form Flin Flon would have to be at least $15,000. Not exactly feasible for commuting.

Hyper loops will only be feasible if they carry millions of passengers per year. They will never work for remote destinations.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by biguc

That cost included buying land in California and building it on pylons. Both expenses don't exist in Western Canada. And we don't have earthquakes, which eliminates the biggest objection to Musk's estimate.

One major advantage I see to Hyperloop over high speed rail or any other kind of transportation is that it would create demand. I have next to no reason to go to Regina or Thompson, but put any place 30 minutes away and you turn the question 'why?' into 'why not?'. And even at ten dollar fares a single tube between Winnipeg and Regina could bounce a single car back and forth and generate a few million in revenues a year, which would be more than enough to cover operating expenses.

Imagine what a boon it would be for tourism too, if travelling between cities in Western Canada didn't mean a day's travel. Or if a trip to Churchill didn't involve a 48 hr train ride, but a Hyperloop blast to Thompson and a far shorter train trip from there.

You still have to buy land and you have to go over or under every street, highway, railway, river, etc. Construction costs in Canada are generally higher Than in CA due mostly to labour costs and alack of competition.

[biguc]

Build it under hydro pylons. I'm glad you can come up with reasons nothing should ever change but this is a technology worth keeping an eye on because it could fundamentally change Canada for the better in the next 20 years. Much like, at one point, paving roads and building sewers did.

[Treesplease]

The initial infrastructure costs would be massive. The size of tube required would be significantly bigger than even the largest diameter oil pipeline. Anything travelling at 700 mph plus would need to be extremely flat and straight or the g-forces would kill any organism inside the tube. This straight and flat requirment would make infrastructure costs massive. Cars have to be able to cross this big ass piece of pipe at street level and countless rural roads in between cities - you can't just drive over uncontrolled crossings like you do with rail tracks. And even if the marginal cost of operating once complete was pennies per passenger mile, the revenues required to cover the initial costs would be huge. Not unlike the cost of proprietary pharmaceuticals; you aren't paying for the material in a little pill, you are paying for the billions in sunk costs to develop and bring to market. And even if it was cheap to build, would the prices charged be less than air travel that takes longer and delivers you to an external airport or would there be premium pricing that charged more than air travel? It isn't the time that currently prevents anyone but CEO's from commuting great distances - its the cost. You won't be able to live in Winnipeg and work at a 7-11 in Regina.......ever (not counting Star Trek transporter rooms though - they look like they would be cheap with few barriers to entry by new participants to drive costs down)

[Cyro]

http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-...billion-2013-8

"But the New York Times did us all a favor by calculating the true cost of the Hyperloop: It's going to be ~$100 billion."