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There is a big difference. The Albion Road location is already established as a Casino. Kanata is not.
True, but that seems like a weak argument to me. That is like saying there is no need for a bridge because no one crosses the river at that location.

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There is not that much transit service around CTC but there is none to Albion Road other than a private service.
The 62 alone provides 25 buses a day each way weekdays to the CTC (along with the service provided 162, 261 and 263). It could be better but I wouldn't call it "not much" either.

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Albion Road is surprisingly central to the city compared to Kanata, which makes access easier to much of the city.
It may be central from an east/west perspective, but getting to it is awkward and slow, so it isn't all that easy to access (by car, bus, bike or foot). OTOH, the CTC is much easier to access by all 4 modes of transport. Even from Orleans the travel times are comparable. Maybe when the long promised Ottawa bypass is built things will change, but I am not holding my breath on that one.

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Old Posted Nov 2, 2017, 11:33 AM
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Hard Rock Casino quietly seeks to increase raceway gaming tables by 67%
'Backdoor, sneaky approach' being used to get around council directions, says councillor

By Joanne Chianello, CBC News Posted: Nov 02, 2017 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Nov 02, 2017 5:00 AM ET


About a month after Hard Rock Casino took over the day-to-day operations of Rideau Carleton Raceway, the casino in south Ottawa has quietly applied to expand the allowed number of gaming tables from 21 to 35, completely bypassing council approval.

The promise of a maximum 21 gaming tables for the casino has been re-iterated at council numerous times, most recently in September when council rubber-stamped Hard Rock partnering with Rideau Carleton Raceway.

At the time, council re-affirmed its 2013 commitment that any expansion to gambling would only go ahead after the casino went "before the public, committee and council as part of the planning process."

Instead, Rideau Carleton Raceway applied to the committee of adjustment, a quasi-judicial body that deals with minor changes to zoning rules. It's also a body that is not usually subject to public scrutiny.

Because it's a zoning by-law that stipulates that the casino can only have up to 21 gaming tables, Rideau Carleton is taking its case to the committee, arguing that a 67 per cent increase in gaming tables is a "minor variance."

"This is a heaping helping of bad faith is what I think this is," said Coun. Diane Deans, who has been a vocal opponent of expanding gambling in the capital.

It was Deans who moved the motion in 2013 that called for any expansion of gaming to be preceded by studies and public consultation on the effects of transportation and traffic.

"Now what we're seeing is this back-door, sneaky approach to expanding gaming without public scrutiny or even council scrutiny," Deans said.

She added she was told by city staff that planning staff knew of the raceway's plans to add additional gaming tables, and views the expansion as "minor in nature."

"But it is not at all what council passed, it's not what we anticipate, it's not what we directed," Deans said.

"I just find it unconscionable."

Coun. Keith Egli said he left the September council meeting with a "sense of optimism" council's relationship with the new casino operators would be open and transparent, with Hard Rock officials agreeing to discuss and address the negative effects of gambling with Ottawa Public Health.

"Everyone was under the understanding that those discussions would take place before any expansion of gambling," Egli said. "This does not bode well … I'm disappointed at how this is playing out."

So far, there have been no such discussions, confirmed a public health official. In 2013, public health estimated that at any one time, there are 13,000 people in Ottawa with gambling problems, 2,000 of them with issues considered serious.

Councillors aren't the only ones who were surprised to hear about the casino's application for expansion.

Ontario Lottery and Gaming, which regulates gambling in Ontario, confirmed in an emailed statement the city "passed a positive resolution to allow up to 21 live table games at the current site."

But "before Hard Rock Casino Ottawa can add table games to the site, it must present a business case to OLG and receive required municipal and provincial approvals."

Those requirements do not appear to have been met.

The application is going to the committee of adjustment on the morning of Nov. 15 at Ben Franklin Place. The public is allowed to participate.

However, the committee can decide not to hear the application.

The committee of adjustment can only hear applications that meets four tests, including whether the request meets the general purpose of the bylaw and whether it's truly "minor in nature."

It will be up to the committee members to determine whether the applications meets those tests, according to city clerk and solicitor Rick O'Connor.

No one from Rideau Carleton Raceway could be reached for comment on Wednesday.

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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 12:29 PM
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Rocksino wins approval for more table games

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 15, 2017 | Last Updated: November 15, 2017 3:20 PM EST


Hard Rock Casino Ottawa has won its bid for 14 additional gaming tables beyond the maximum city council had allowed at the Albion Road facility.

A committee of adjustment panel took about an hour Wednesday to decide in the casino operator’s favour after hearing arguments from Hard Rock’s consultants and a few public delegates.

Hard Rock can now have 35 table games, such as roulette and blackjack, at the former Rideau Carleton Raceway, in addition to the 1,250 slot machines.

City council had decided in 2011 to limit the number of table games to a maximum of 21. That was before the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. went looking for a new operator for its gambling facility at the horse track, leading to a contract awarded earlier this year to Hard Rock Casino Ottawa.

Murray Chown, one of the company’s planning consultants, told the panel that the addition of 14 table games wouldn’t alter the facility since there would be no physical changes.

Chown said it’s effectively an “invisible variance.”

But Paul Norris of the Hunt Club Park Community Association said Hard Rock’s application to add table games isn’t “minor” in nature and that it shouldn’t be heard by the committee of adjustment.

“It would set a dangerous precedent,” Norris said. “What’s next for a minor variance?”

The city’s planning department was satisfied that Hard Rock’s application could be heard by the committee of adjustment, which is tasked with considering minor planning applications.

Citizens, not city council members, sit on committee of adjustment panels.

Pam Morse of the Emerald Woods Residents Association highlighted the 100 table games that would be in Ottawa-Gatineau if the Lac Leamy Casino’s tables were also considered. Ottawa doesn’t have “zealous gamblers,” Morse said.

Morse is also concerned about an increase in traffic on Albion Road, which she said can’t handle more vehicles.

On the other hand, Harley Bloom, general manager of the Capital Fair, questioned how 14 more table games would significantly impact the traffic. The fair this year drew thousands of people to the horse track facility and Bloom said he didn’t receive one complaint about traffic.

“We’re excited for the opportunity for the expansion,” Bloom said.

“Opportunities in the south end are going to explode.”

There was a fourth delegate signed up, David Eggett of the Osgoode Care Centre, but since he planned to talk about socio-economic issues about expanded gaming, he decided not to address the committee.

At the beginning of the hearing, the committee chair said only matters specific to planning policy could be brought up.

Gloucester-Southgate Coun. Diane Deans listened to the discussion from the gallery. Deans wanted to address the committee, but the city’s legal department told her she shouldn’t. Council appoints committee of adjustment members, so there’s a perceived conflict with a council member appearing as a delegate.

Deans said Hard Rock is showing “bad faith” by circumventing the council approval process and applying through the quasi-judicial committee of adjustment.

She was one of six councillors who wrote to Hard Rock asking that the company withdraw its planning application.

Committee of adjustment decisions don’t require a council vote but they can be appealed to the Ontario Municipal Board.

Hard Rock Casino Ottawa, which is a partnership between the international entertainment company and the Rideau Carleton Raceway, is planning a $320-million redevelopment of the complex.

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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 5:58 PM
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I dont understand so much. OLG is a provincial entity, and casinos are the purview of the province. So if Hard Rock, a private company, wants to expand, why go through extra bureaucracy? Bad faith or not, it is the city who tried over stepping their bounds.
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21 tables to 35. Sound the alarm.
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How about letting them build what they want without seemingly arbitrary limits imposed?

There. Problem solved.
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Hard Rock files casino development application

Hard Rock files casino development application, including request for more games

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Published on: February 15, 2018 | Last Updated: February 15, 2018 11:00 AM EST

Hard Rock Casino Ottawa is asking for permission to add another 20 table games, a multi-storey hotel and a theatre has part of its development application filed at city hall.

If city council approves the land-use changes for the former Rideau Carleton Raceway property on Albion Road, there will be a total of 55 table games phased in over the expansion.

Hard Rock is also looking to add 750 slot machines, according to its timeline of the project, but it’s not clear if the slot expansion is part of the development application. There are currently 1,250 slot machines at the casino.

The company says it will invest more than $318 million over six years.

The city’s committee of adjustment approved 14 additional table games last November, a process that raised eyebrows at city hall since the application didn’t go through the political gauntlet. The committee of adjustment agreed it was a minor change to the current land regulations not requiring council’s endorsement.

Since then, the “Rocksino” partnership, as it’s become known, of Hard Rock and the Rideau Carleton Raceway has hired Ottawa-based public relations experts to help usher the new development application through the planning process. The application will need the approval of the agriculture and rural affairs committee and council.

A public consultation on the development application is scheduled for March 7. The time and location are being worked out.

The province announced Hard Rock as the new operator for the Ottawa casino operation at the horse track in May 2017. The company said it wanted to expand the existing facility to add the hotel, concert theatre and restaurants over multiple phases. Hard Rock, which is the majority owner in the partnership with the raceway, assumed operations last fall. Horse racing will remain as part of the expanded facility.

The new development application details plans for phases two and three of the expansion. The first phase is underway with renovations to the current building and the addition of table games approved by the committee of adjustment.

The second phase starting in 2019 would include the addition of slot machines, restaurants and the concert theatre. The third phase starting in 2023 would include the hotel and parking garage.

The City of Ottawa, which receives a cut of gaming revenue, is poised to make $43 million in new revenue over 10 years thanks to the expanded facility, Hard Rock says. City hall has budgeted to receive $5.6 million in 2018 from the gaming operations.

Hard Rock has posted more information about the expansion on its project website.

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All of this investment for a Casino in the woods only accessible by a 2-lane dirt road...

What is Ottawa's obsession with building everything in the outskirts (CTC, Hard Rock, Calipso, Science & Tech Museum)
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It's Hard Rock's money, they can do what they want.
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All of this investment for a Casino in the woods only accessible by a 2-lane dirt road...

What is Ottawa's obsession with building everything in the outskirts (CTC, Hard Rock, Calipso, Science & Tech Museum)
8 years ago, I'd have questioned the same thing, but the RCR/Hard Rock is less than a 10 min drive away from Riverside South(which is creeping closer every year), and the southern portion of stage 2 LRT will terminate less than a 3 min drive from the casino. It's not that bad of a location if everything comes to fruition.
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8 years ago, I'd have questioned the same thing, but the RCR/Hard Rock is less than a 10 min drive away from Riverside South(which is creeping closer every year), and the southern portion of stage 2 LRT will terminate less than a 3 min drive from the casino. It's not that bad of a location if everything comes to fruition.
Can we make Hard Rock pay for a frequent shuttle bus to the Trillium line?
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All of this investment for a Casino in the woods only accessible by a 2-lane dirt road...

What is Ottawa's obsession with building everything in the outskirts (CTC, Hard Rock, Calipso, Science & Tech Museum)
The Science and Tech museum is a funny example considering

A. It's been there for 50 years
B. It's a short walk from a major bus terminal (Elmvale)

I get that it's not downtown but c'mon...
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Jim Watson did not want a casino in the 90s, Gloucester's Claudette Cain did and it matched the need of Rideau Carleton Raceway, which was being bled dry by Ontario's lottery business. Gloucester took advantage of it. It is too bad the City of Ottawa was so puritanical at the time. The decision was made then and it is too late to change it especially with Hard Rock willing to invest.

There is a complementary bus to Rideau-Carleton Raceway from Greenboro already. When is Ottawa going to provide public transit service? They don't want to support it. Part of the past stubbornness?

On the subject of the casino being downtown, there were two opportunities and neither time did we want to do it. If you don't like it, fire our politicians. When no action took place the first time, we got Lac Leamy and Rideau-Carleton. Action by other municipalities came from inaction by the City of Ottawa.
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Hard Rock wants rail spur to new casino, files request for more games

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 15, 2018 | Last Updated: February 15, 2018 4:33 PM EST


The new Hard Rock entertainment facility at the Rideau Carleton Raceway should get a rail spur from the O-Train Trillium Line, according to one partner in the joint venture.

Andrew Wright, director of the raceway, said if the city is building a spur from the Trillium Line to the Ottawa International Airport, now is the time to consider another offshoot to the casino facility.

However, Gloucester-Southgate Coun. Diane Deans said she looked into the idea of a spur with city staff but was told it’s not feasible.

Wright said the casino could easily run shuttle buses to the planned Trillium Line stop at Earl Armstrong Road but his ideal scenario is bringing trains right to the property.

“If we’re putting our city planning hats on, with the amount of property that we have and all of a sudden that could be a commuter site into downtown and it would be a big parking lot,” Wright said in an interview Thursday, after Hard Rock and the raceway announced it has filed a development application at city hall for the next two expansion phases.

The development application calls for land-use amendments to allow another 20 gaming tables (for a total of 55 tables), a nine-storey 200-room hotel and a 2,500-seat concert theatre. The required zoning changes will need city council’s approval.

Also included in the documents, but not part of the re-zoning requirement, is a plan to add 750 slot machines to the existing 1,250 machines. The number of slots is determined by the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp.

A transportation analysis filed with the application says the expanded entertainment facility would have “minimal traffic impact” and that any problems with road capacity will be worked out with future intersection and road widening improvements. Traffic through Blossom Park will be relieved when an eastern extension for Earl Armstrong Road is built to Bank Street, the analysis says.

There is currently no OC Transpo bus service to the casino property.

The city would benefit from a rail spur to the site because it would encourage development and bring in property tax money, Wright said.

However, there haven’t been serious discussions with the city on such an idea.

“If they’re going to the airport anyway with this O-Train, then that’s the time to consider doing projects like what we’re talking about,” Wright said.

There has been talk in the past about creating a second, lengthy road entrance off Bank Street, reducing the strain on Albion Road.

“It’s not in the cards now. It may become so, to be perfectly honest,” Wright said.

“It’s a long road and it would be expensive to build. It’s been suggested. Nothing has been committed to, obviously, and the city hasn’t requested it as far as I know.”

Counillor Deans, whose ward is north of the site, sees warning flags in the transportation plan for the casino expansion.

Deans noted that the Earl Armstrong Road extension cited in the transportation analysis isn’t even planned until after 2031.

There’s “road rage at peak hours,” Deans said, and she fears a large entertainment facility will make things worse.

“I think you’re just layering on the problem,” Deans said.

The Hard Rock and raceway partnership says it will invest more than $318 million over six years on the expansion.

The province announced Hard Rock as the new operator for the Ottawa casino in May 2017. Hard Rock, which is the majority owner in the partnership with the raceway, assumed operations last fall. Horse racing will remain as part of the expanded facility.

The second phase starting in 2019 would include the addition of gaming tables, slot machines, restaurants and the concert theatre. The third phase starting in 2023 would include the hotel and parking garage.

In a written statement lauding the proposed development, Osgoode Coun. George Darouze, whose ward includes the site, said his community “cannot wait” for the expansion.

The city’s committee of adjustment approved 14 additional table games for the facility last November, a process that raised eyebrows at city hall since the application didn’t go through the political gauntlet. The committee of adjustment agreed it was a minor change to the current land regulations not requiring council’s endorsement.

Since then, the “Rocksino” partnership, as it’s become known, has hired Ottawa-based public relations experts to help usher the new development application through the planning process.

“In hindsight, we could have done things better,” Wright said of the last table game application. “Our goal is to be completely transparent. What we’re doing, I believe the community wants and will support. If we build something stupid, it won’t get supported and we’ll go bankrupt, so that’s not an ideal business model. We’re going take every precaution, which means transparency, to make sure what we’re building is what the community wants.”

The company is finalizing a time and location for a public consultation on March 7.

Deans said she wants a comprehensive consultation that also takes into account the public health impacts that come with gambling addictions.

“I don’t want it to be the Salvation Army,” Deans said, referring to the controversial planning file in Vanier. “It can’t be a failure of process. It’s too important.”

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According to the transportation impact assessment, page 28

We are advised the RCRS supports the study, will be
active in it, and may assist the City in front-ending the cost of the first two lanes from Albion Road to Bank Street, as it is
currently scheduled for after 2031.


Sounds like Hard Rock is willing to pay for the earl armstrong extension between Albion and Bank to get it sooner than a city funded road.

Nowhere in the TIA is talk of spurring the LRT to the casino site. They sound quite happy to run a shuttle service between Bowesville and the casino. So not quite sure what that Ottawa Citizen article is on about.. probably just initial posturing for a negotiation.
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Hard Rock wants rail spur to new casino, files request for more games

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Published on: February 15, 2018 | Last Updated: February 15, 2018 4:33 PM EST


If we build something stupid, it won’t get supported and we’ll go bankrupt, so that’s not an ideal business model. We’re going take every precaution, which means transparency, to make sure what we’re building is what the community wants.”

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Something stupid like a lrt spur line to a rural casino?

Dumbest thing I've ever heard, but I bet Watson and his minions will be all over this one!
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This is about to become one of the city's biggest entertainment venues with every day usage. There is already a large weekly flea market and effectively the Ottawa Ex replacement takes place here. The need for public transit is going to grow rapidly with the planned expansions. It does not surprise me that there has been a request for rail to the site with rail planned to be so close by. The pressure is increasing for double tracking, which will be ignored.

There is a closed paved road from Bank Street that enters the raceway site. I never really understood why it was closed. I am sure it needs rehabilitation.

I find it strange about how an Earl Armstrong Road extension to Bank Street solves anything for Blossom Park. It just redirects the traffic to another part of the neighbourhood.
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There will never be enough transit traffic to the RCR to justify $20 million for s spur. 20 minute bus service to the nearest O-Train Station is more than enough.
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There will never be enough transit traffic to the RCR to justify $20 million for s spur. 20 minute bus service to the nearest O-Train Station is more than enough.
Probably more ridership than our vanity project to the airport and a lot cheaper.
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The current airport connection is a joke, for sure. The infrastructure however will be usable in the future if they ever decide to actually implement direct service to downtown, or at the very least Bayview. A spur to a rural casino surrounded by parking is just useless. At that point, might as well have a spur from Blair to CSIS, and a spur from Moodie to the new DND HQ and another from Lees to Lansdowne somehow, all of which would be higher ridership generators but completely ridiculous. A bus shuttle is more than enough.
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