Winnipeg CMA Population in 5 Years: Predictions

[roccerfeller]

ouch.

well, at least immigration is record

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by Winnipegger@Heart

Not good folks...

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bus...114784164.html

Certainly not good news but we've got to look at this in the bigger picture to realize what it's saying .
We're not actually seeing any decline in population . We're seeing people who are already living here head for higher paying jobs in other jurisdictions . The international immigration and (presumably) birthrate are more than making up for this .

The only real way to deal with this is to start pouring cash into high-tech industries through government incentives . Sounds pretty simplistic but at this point it's the only practical way to jumpstart an entire industry that is so noticeably lacking in this province . There's always the off chance that one or two of them will make it big and act as a lure for others . And yes , I'm aware that there are probably plenty of small high-tech companies in Manitoba . The point isn't that they're non-existent but that it's such a small industry in Manitoba when compared to the same industry in so many other provinces .

[bicycles]

I think we should just be worrying about making the city better for the people who live here. and with this little growth, is there really a need for all these new suburbs? no growth isn't necessarily a bad thing. lets focus on densifying our city and improving it for those people already living here.

[RTD]

I'm of the opinion that Mantioba should continue to build on industries that are big economic building blocks in this province. It's great that we have record immigration to this province, but we now need to focus on substantially reducing the "brain drain" to other provinces. This will weaken us as a province, and it doesn't boast well for people from other provinces thinking about relocating here. This is definately an achillies heel for Manitoba, making the province look bad and this concerns me.

Something to consider when looking over the campaigne platforms for the upcoming provincial election.

[Boreal]

Manitoba is too far away from Bay Street or the oil patch to gain enough access to venture capital to really be a player in pursuing fledgling investment-intensive industry. The province is broke and also could not pursue any initiatives. I still maintain that the best thing for Manitoba, would be to whore out cheap power to energy intensive (what the earthy folks call "dirty") industry. They employ large amounts of every day people, with a number of management and highly-skilled positions from mechanics to engineers, etc.

[Winnipegger@Heart]

I am concerned about who we are losing to the other provinces; if we are losing those with little education to blue-collar jobs in the oilfield, as usual, I am sure they will be back. If we are losing educated people to white collar jobs, and not replacing them with equally-educated Immigrants, that would piss me off.

[Tower Crane]

Originally Posted by Tower Crane

With a net interprovincial loss what is the outlook for the 5 years. As mentioned almost all of the gain is immigration. Does this immigration come at an added cost to support these citizens while they get their pins under them.

A number of people keep saying that there are numerous numbers of people that left that are moving back, the numbers do not seem to be proving that out.

I just don't want to see the province raising Immigration just so it can report positive gains and possibly have to deal with long term pains of whats associated with to much immigration.

The Net lose report from 2010 to 2012 confirms that some forumers were mistaken in believing people were moving back in droves. The province is not doing enough or anything at all to stem the lose of Manitoban's to other provinces.
The Province has been aggressive on the immigration front just to try and report positive numbers if you ask me.
It's the Provinces 'fix' to a bat people losing habit.I say let's kick the habit.

[hexrae]

Originally Posted by Tower Crane

The Net lose report from 2010 to 2012 confirms that some forumers were mistaken in believing people were moving back in droves. The province is not doing enough or anything at all to stem the lose of Manitoban's to other provinces.
The Province has been aggressive on the immigration front just to try and report positive numbers if you ask me.
It's the Provinces 'fix' to a bat people losing habit.I say let's kick the habit.

I'm with you, and there are a number of fronts that this can be "attacked" at. I know things are easier said than done, but a couple thoughts off the top of my head are:

1) Improve employment prospects.
- Fairly obvious. Money makes the world go around. Identifiable industries to target? IT, Health Care, Energy (Green), Manufacturing/Shipping? (Centreport)

2) Increase/Expand/Build upon civic/provincial pride.
- There's likely a number of individuals whose pride is unquestionable, but leave for "greener pastures". This can be addressed by item 1. However, I get the feeling more can be done in this area.

[Biff]

I would say that it is of concern that intra-provincially we are still loosing some people and we need to find ways to correct this but......

The new stats-can figures show that we are doing better here in the city than even i thought. These stats also cut off at Jul of 2010 so we are missing out on some more increase that isn't displayed with these numbers. These are pretty healthy numbers for a city under a million people.

Go Winnipeg.

Originally Posted by Gdoggy

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Population on July 1                                                  Change
                                2008         2009          2010      08 - 10
                             =========    =========     =========    =======
St John's,NL                    187,200      189,800       192,300      4,900
Halifax,NS                     392,800      397,700       403,200     10,400
Moncton,NB                     132,600      134,900       137,300      4,700
Saint John,NB                  126,300      127,200       128,000      1,700
Saguenay,Que                   151,700      151,600       152,200        500
Québec,Que                     738,300      745,600       754,400     16,100
Sherbrooke,Que                 192,400      194,900       197,300      4,900
Trois-Rivières,Que             144,500      145,400       146,500      2,000
Montréal,Que                 3,765,400    3,818,700     3,859,300     93,900
Ottawa-Gatineau,Ont-Que      1,200,400    1,218,500     1,239,100     38,700
Kingston,Ont                   159,700      161,000       162,500      2,800
Peterborough,Ont               120,900      121,000       121,100        200
Oshawa,Ont                     354,000      359,100       364,200     10,200
Toronto,Ont                  5,535,700    5,634,500     5,741,400    205,700
Hamilton,Ont                   729,200      734,600       740,200     11,000
St Catharines-Niagara,Ont      403,300      403,800       404,400      1,100
Kitchener-Waterloo,Ont         481,700      486,900       492,400     10,700
Brantford,Ont                  137,400      138,200       139,100      1,700
Guelph,Ont                     135,100      136,600       138,200      3,100
London,Ont                     485,900      489,000       492,200      6,300
Windsor,Ont                    333,100      332,000       330,900    - 2,200
Barrie,Ont                     187,600      189,200       190,900      3,300
Greater Sudbury,Ont            165,100      164,900       164,700     -  400
Thunder Bay,Ont                126,500      126,500       126,700        200
Winnipeg,Man                   732,200      742,400       753,600     21,400
Regina,Sask                    205,800      210,400       215,100      9,300
Saskatoon,Sask                 251,000      258,000       265,300     14,300 
Calgary,Alta                 1,187,300    1,220,400     1,242,600     55,300
Edmonton,Alta                1,127,600    1,156,500     1,176,300     48,700
Kelowna,BC                     175,000      178,100       178,900      3,900
Abbotsford-Mission,BC          168,900      171,900       174,300      5,400
Vancouver,BC                 2,279,500    2,337,200     2,391,300    111,800
Victoria,BC                    348,100      354,000       358,100     10,000


Source: Statscan 


[Riverman]

I was told the GTA was growing by 100K a year but I didn't believe it. I guess it is true!

[roccerfeller]

Interesting.

That puts Winnipeg with the highest population increase for a city under a million in Canada.


Could be better, but not bad.



Looks like as of July 1st 2010, we were at 753k


Look likes 53 people who chose 750k or less are all wrong already

[Biff]

Good point Roccerfeller.

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by Biff

Good point Roccerfeller.

I think this 21k increase really indicated teh start of the "turn around of momentum" for Winnipeg.

When you look back to the 80's where it really died, to the 90's where we had net losses & Stagnation, to the 2000's where it slowly turned around, it looks like this 21k combined with projected growth being continuously underestimated relative to actual growth, would seem to indicate we got a bright decade ahead of us...even with the losses...

The best thing? This is all stable Not dependant on any one industry *cough* hehe

[1ajs]

not to mention lots of foren imigrants who bring more culture and food options art and work skills with them

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

not to mention lots of foren imigrants who bring more culture and food options art and work skills with them

Assuming they actually do that and are not just unskilled refugees who join gangs and collect welfare.

[hexrae]

Such a display of optimism and pessimism. Your move 1ajs!

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Assuming they actually do that and are not just unskilled refugees who join gangs and collect welfare.

Such a pessimistic statement, but unfortunately, that is sometimes true. You have no idea how much that pisses me off when I hear something like that in the media.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Assuming they actually do that and are not just unskilled refugees who join gangs and collect welfare.

if u provide the proper suport for people going through culture shock and dealing with ptsd they will move on to do good stuff and theres allways going to be the few bad apples and theres nothing one can really do about them other then just do what you can to prevent them from draging otherwise good people down with them

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

if u provide the proper suport for people going through culture shock and dealing with ptsd they will move on to do good stuff and theres allways going to be the few bad apples and theres nothing one can really do about them other then just do what you can to prevent them from draging otherwise good people down with them

I agree with 1ajs on this one.

There are people who are born and raised in this city that do the exact same thing as refugees who take the wrong path.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Assuming they actually do that and are not just unskilled refugees who join gangs and collect welfare.

Oh please....

What a ridiculous statement.