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supertallchaser · #1 Posted **Jan 11, 2014, 12:55 AM**

im drooling

Submariner · #2 Posted **Jan 11, 2014, 1:09 AM**

I had asked in the other thread, but could someone do a rough diagram of this building to see how it might compare with other buildings in the city?

King DenCity · #3 Posted **Jan 11, 2014, 3:14 PM**

Man, if this became a possibility I might just die.

antinimby · #4 Posted **Jan 11, 2014, 6:08 PM**

This is hardly any great big revelation. That half block site was always slated for 2.5 msf except now we find out that Sherwood did not own that whole site like we were all lead to believe.

That rendering is just what could be built in theory and we all know how those tend to end up. Let's not get too excited here fellas.

Dac150 · #5 Posted **Jan 11, 2014, 7:53 PM**

Certainly ambitious, though keep in mind the key and reoccurring word is 'could'. Curious to see how this pans out.

baseball1992 · #6 Posted **Jan 14, 2014, 4:03 AM**

Obviously 2000+ ft is slightly far-fetched, but what is the change that we get 1800 ft to pinnacle for this tower?

nyc15 · #7 Posted **Jan 11, 2014, 10:27 PM**

very nice to see a megatall in new york city , i think houdson is the nice pleace for this

Submariner · #8 Posted **Jan 11, 2014, 11:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by nyc15

very nice to see a megatall in new york city , i think houdson is the nice pleace for this

It might be an easier sell here too. I'd imagine getting a 1800+ foot tower would be a near-impossible sell along 57th street, midtown or even downtown. Hudson Yards is virgin territory - not nearly as many NIMBY's around

NYguy · #9 Posted **Jan 12, 2014, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by antinimby

This is hardly any great big revelation. That half block site was always slated for 2.5 msf except now we find out that Sherwood did not own that whole site like we were all lead to believe.

That rendering is just what could be built in theory and we all know how those tend to end up. Let's not get too excited here fellas.

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Originally Posted by Dac150

Certainly ambitious, though keep in mind the key and reoccurring word is 'could'. Curious to see how this pans out.

Obviously, it's just an idea. The building was always going to be tall, sure. But when was the last time you saw a piece of real estate being marketed as a possible home for New York City's tallest? I don't recall ever seeing that, or it at least being publicly known. I think it's at least being marketed that way for a reason, to be attractive enough to the right buyer who just might want to have a site where such a tower could be built. Let's face it, they're not all over the place. I can even see Sherwood staying on as a partner with a new developer to build such a thing. And it's not inconceivable that the concept is something they had already given thought to.

The Hudson Yards is the future of New York, it's pretty much all new, all the time. In other parts of Manhattan, the new integrates with the old. But I can at least see someone wanting to make a splash here. And I say why not, go for it. Of course, that doesn't mean anyone will. But is Manhattan attractive enough now for such a thing to become possible? Most certainly.

Dac150 · #10 Posted **Jan 12, 2014, 3:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

And it's not inconceivable that the concept is something they had already given thought to.

One of multiple concepts I'm sure are in consideration. It's likely the most exciting concept, though I wonder if it's the most realistic. Nevertheless, I'm anxious to read more details as they emerge.

Hypothalamus · #11 Posted **Jan 12, 2014, 4:11 AM**

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Nevertheless, I'm anxious to read more details as they emerge.

Same-- is the property on the market now as we speak? I think it will sell for a fortune. If I remember correctly, 511 West 35th Street, one of the lots on the block to the north, sold last month for a hefty amount-- went on the market for $75M and sold for $88M. That one had 500k air rights or about a potential 1M combined with the lot next to it. My point is a 2.5M potential air right property may go sky high, literally!

Crawford · #12 Posted **Jan 13, 2014, 5:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by Submariner

It might be an easier sell here too. I'd imagine getting a 1800+ foot tower would be a near-impossible sell along 57th street, midtown or even downtown. Hudson Yards is virgin territory - not nearly as many NIMBY's around

I'm not sure what you mean by this comment. NIMBYs are irrelevant when a tower is as-of-right.

If anything, 57th Street would be an easier place to build such a tower, because the residential values are much higher.

And NIMBYs are opposed to all development. It makes no difference if the building is 1,800 ft. or 180 ft., if there's an opportunity to block a development, they will do so.

gramsjdg · #13 Posted **Jan 13, 2014, 5:36 AM**

When you have a high density supertall cluster, super-thin is the only way to go...

NYC4Life · #14 Posted **Jan 12, 2014, 2:28 AM**

Good lord, these will be perhaps the greatest collection of towers for one single site anywhere. Ambition is growing and so are the tenants, only a matter of time.

Onn · #15 Posted **Jan 12, 2014, 3:13 AM**

That's the one thing that gives me a lot of optimism for this project and Manhattan West. So far Related's Hudson Yards project has been bringing in the big name tenants (Time Warner/Coach/L'Oreal). If the momentum keeps up it seems likely other large companies will seriously consider Hudson Yards to call home. I think this is due both to the excitement factor surrounding the new development and the feeling of needing to get away from other hustle and bustle "tourist" areas of the city. Related does have some advantages over its competitors though, including a tax break and a large pool of tenants to pull from. Manhattan West has the potential to do just as well though in my opinion. Not saying other areas of the city should be neglected in favor of Hudson Yards, but Hudson Yards does seem to have the momentum on its side right now.

NYC GUY · #16 Posted **Jan 13, 2014, 3:56 PM**

Is this a serious?? Cause I just felt a jump of excitement.

King DenCity · #17 Posted **Jan 13, 2014, 5:04 PM**

^Yes it is

jk, I think it's just a theory. But a nice one at that!

Hypothalamus · #18 Posted **Jan 14, 2014, 10:58 PM**

CTBUH Global News:

Hudson Yards Site Could Host Supertall
New York, United States – January 13, 2014

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Two parcels of land in Hudson Yards, if developed together, could host a supertall tower that would surpass One World Trade Center at an astounding 549 meters (1801.18 feet).

A parcel of land owned by the Rosenthal family, which stretches from West 35th to West 34th streets between 10th Avenue and the new thoroughfare Hudson Boulevard, is now on the market. Adjacent to the Rosenthal parcel is a site owned by Sherwood Equities, which may consider selling to the neighboring buyer.

Major developers are attracted to the monumental potential of the Hudson Yards site.

“Together these sites are one of the best commercial development parcels in the area,” said Ryan Nelson, senior vice president and manager of Sherwood Equities acquisitions and sales.

The zoning of the parcels supports commercial, office, hotel, and up to 37,161 square meters of residential space, for a combined total of 111,484 square meters.

chris08876 · #19 Posted **Jan 14, 2014, 11:17 PM**

An 1800ft'r to the roof. Now that would be ridiculous. A combination of commercial, office, and hotel in one tower would be nice.

Roadcruiser1 · #20 Posted **Jan 14, 2014, 11:25 PM**

Can this building reach 2,000 feet if the developers wanted it to??