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Trump plans executive order requiring federal buildings built in Classical style

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Feb. 6, 2020 6:53 pm ET

‘Making Federal Buildings Beautiful Again,” a new executive order planned by the Trump administration, would thrill lifelong amateur architects George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. These Founders—who designed Mount Vernon, Monticello and the Virginia State Capitol—wanted the new nation’s public buildings to embody its ideals of self-governance, rooted in Greek democracy and Roman republicanism. They would surely applaud President Trump’s proposed order to build new federal buildings in the classical style . . . .

Modernist buildings, the expression of a mechanical, anonymous vision of a social leviathan that individuals are born to serve, might as well be designed by machines. In this computer age, they largely are.

What’s more, they are ugly. The Pritzker Prize in architecture, like the Nobel Peace Prize, almost guarantees the honoree will be the Yasser Arafat of architecture, the very opposite of what the prize claims to honor. Consider Pritzker winner Thom Mayne’s contribution to America’s national patrimony. His San Francisco Federal Building resembles a cyclops mated with a prison. The building is so hideously antisocial that, like Boston’s brutalist concrete City Hall, the homeless camp there permanently.

Of course the modernist establishment has already slammed the proposed executive order, which overturns the General Services Administration’s design excellence program, long a full-employment scheme for modernist architects. The debate now, says an arts critic in the Guardian, is between “those who trust architects and professionals to design whatever they think is best, and those who seek to control what they do.”
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Just flipped on Tucker Carlson for a half-minute and saw him talking about this. It was predictably cringe-worthy analysis and supportive of this Trump edict.

This is of course in no way surprising. Conservative minded people tend to over-romanize history and look to harken back to the mythologized past instead of the risking of a better future and innovation. And the real psychotic low-imagination ones will even outlaw all but singular forms of art/architecture not unlike what a few 1930's European regimes did.

The most ironic element regarding this issue is again the blatant hypocrisy of these federal officials and small clique of self-appointed art critics claiming that other "architectural elites" are ruining the country with these modernist buildings and that it is they can best decide what is good art/design (Grecco-Roman is their one and only) as opposed to local officials and the actual designers. So much again for the charade of an intrusive big government.

If these advocates wanted meaningful change to our cityscapes then pushing for guidelines that actually make more pleasant communities in regards to transit, walkability, livability, efficiency, community cohesion these bureaucrats think that good design means plopping a few more dozen, likely mediocre, Greek-Roman fakes around the country, of which is one style that is aplenty already in this country.

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Just flipped on Tucker Carlson for a half-minute and saw him talking about this. It was predictably cringe-worthy analysis and supportive of this Trump edict.

This is of course in no way surprising. Conservative minded people tend to over-romanize history and look to harken back to the mythologized past instead of the risking of a better future. And the real psychotic low-imagination ones will even outlaw all but singular forms of art/architecture not unlike what a few 1930's European regimes did.

The oh so ironic element regarding this issue is again the blatant hypocrisy of these federal officials claiming that "architectural elites" are ruining the country with these modernist buildings and that it is they who know what best is good art/design (Grecco-Roman) as opposed to local officials and the actual designers. So much again or the charade of hating big government.

Instead of actually pushing for guidelines that actually make more pleasant communities in regards to transit, walkability, livability, efficiency, social cohesion these clowns think that good designs means plopping a few more dozen, likely mediocre, Greek-Roman fakes around the country of which is one style that is aplenty already in this country.
So much this. Not only is this eerily reminiscent of some seriously fucked up past regimes, it's also painfully Eurocentric. I've seen some alt-right types who hate modern architecture, I'm sure they will love this. All the more reason to dump it.
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Just flipped on Tucker Carlson for a half-minute and saw him talking about this. It was predictably cringe-worthy analysis and supportive of this Trump edict.
I read this in the Journal--it was an Op-Ed, not necessarily reflecting the paper's editorial opinion--a few hours before Tucker comes on the air, but I saw his piece nevertheless and you've got to admit the examples he showed of recent federal buildings were hideous.

Actually, Thom Mayne's San Francisco building is much more interesting and creative than what Tucker showed--they did all look like something from North Korea or, since North Korea sometimes puts up something interesting like that giant conical hotel, worse: Just quadrangular blockhouses.

In general, a program by the feds to foster beautiful architecture--not necessarily classic--seems like a very good idea but it's amazing how badly they have failed to do that (build attractive buildings). So I support Trump's idea just because the average Greek temple is far more attractive than the typical Communist prison.

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So much this. Not only is this eerily reminiscent of some seriously fucked up past regimes, it's also painfully Eurocentric. I've seen some alt-right types who hate modern architecture, I'm sure they will love this. All the more reason to dump it.
To suggest that some of these buildings represent any non-European culture is to demean that culture. Seriously. Look around the world at so many US embassies. They are designed to be fortresses but the problem is they mostly look like it.
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A sterling decision!
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if trump proposed this obviously we should do what we aways do with trump, ignore it or do the opposite.

he have to run up more debt, his specialty, to pay for fancier fed buildings. oh wait mexico will pay for it, huh.
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Vain deception has a long history in the most prominent architecture in Washington, D.C. The most fascistic celebration in this pompous tradition is probably

the capitol building - where the militaristic roman symbols are used to frame a great deal of cloyingly bad art and to try provide an air of righteousness to

politicians who regularly use misrepresentations for personal gain. It is a glorified sausage factory and its products are largely composed of ingredients which

have grossly debilitating effects around the planet. The Trump scam is a desperately greedy attempt at ignoring reality in order to suck the life out of any

possible attempts at social responsibility and it is also largely bipartisan. When modernism was endorsed for government buildings, it was also mainly a

tool whereby the sausage factory could try to brainwash its subjects into believing they were the "exceptional" people among all of the people on the

planet.

"American" vanity should never be underestimated and Trump's desire for fascist control over building design is reflected all over the mall.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he might want to bulldoze the Vietnam memorial. It is the only monument which even hints at the truth. Of course, it

also ignores the millions of poor Vietnamese who were slaughtered under the long-standing fascist corporatism which is widespread in architectural

disdain for socially and environmentally responsible behavior.

Maybe Trump can put a dome in the center of the pentagon because that building is the central cathedral and every year it gets greater and greater

funding for its "huge"ly wasteful effects.
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