Trans Canada Highway Twinning: Segments U/C

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

the A30 is a tolled highway,

Yeah but only for one bridge and it's only 2.50.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Yeah but only for one bridge and it's only 2.50.

je crois pas ça serait une bonne idée de faire passer de façon officielle la TCH sur un pont à péage. anyway les gens le font déjà pour éviter.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

je crois pas ça serait une bonne idée de faire passer de façon officielle la TCH sur un pont à péage. anyway les gens le font déjà pour éviter.

Mais comme il a déjà été mentionné, il y a un segment de la Transcanadienne en Nouvelle-Ecosse qui est à péage. C'est 6 ou 7 dollars.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Mais comme il a déjà été mentionné, il y a un segment de la Transcanadienne en Nouvelle-Ecosse qui est à péage. C'est 6 ou 7 dollars.

Réellement $4 pour le Cobequid Pass.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Réellement $4 pour le Cobequid Pass.

OK merci!

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Réellement $4 pour le Cobequid Pass.

C'est dommage qu'il n'y a pas de standard nationaux pour la transcanadienne comme les interstates. La route ne devrait pas avoir de péages. Il devrait avoir de routes alternatives plus rapides qui ont des péages pour ceux qui désirent un voyage plus rapide, mais sans désignation TCH

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It's too bad there aren't national standards for the TCH like the interstates. I don't think the TCH should have tolls. Create alternative highways that are quicker with tolls but they should not have the TCH designation

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by WildCake

C'est dommage qu'il n'y a pas de standard nationaux pour la transcanadienne comme les interstates. La route ne devrait pas avoir de péages. Il devrait avoir de routes alternatives plus rapides qui ont des péages pour ceux qui désirent un voyage plus rapide, mais sans désignation TCH

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It's too bad there aren't national standards for the TCH like the interstates. I don't think the TCH should have tolls. Create alternative highways that are quicker with tolls but they should not have the TCH designation

That was the idea but in the modern era of budget constraints and creative financing, they let it slide with Cobequid Pass. The traditional idea that something like the TCH is a national symbol, paid for by all, that should be free for all to use was much stronger at the time that the Coquihalla was being built.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Andy6

That was the idea but in the modern era of budget constraints and creative financing, they let it slide with Cobequid Pass. The traditional idea that something like the TCH is a national symbol, paid for by all, that should be free for all to use was much stronger at the time that the Coquihalla was being built.

I have no problem with tolls on 4 lane sections that can be bypassed by a 2 lane section.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I have no problem with tolls on 4 lane sections that can be bypassed by a 2 lane section.

That was the idea with the Cobequid Pass, but they forebade truckers from using the old alignment (bypass route), and also reduced the speed limit on the old road from 100 km/hr to 80 km/hr to make it unattractive to through traffic.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by WildCake

C'est dommage qu'il n'y a pas de standard nationaux pour la transcanadienne comme les interstates. La route ne devrait pas avoir de péages. Il devrait avoir de routes alternatives plus rapides qui ont des péages pour ceux qui désirent un voyage plus rapide, mais sans désignation TCH

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It's too bad there aren't national standards for the TCH like the interstates. I don't think the TCH should have tolls. Create alternative highways that are quicker with tolls but they should not have the TCH designation

Here's the thing though: It's very cost-prohibitive to do so even in Canadian Shield (let alone east of Kamloops, BC). Hence, it's only realistic to twin the current route.
Yea that's another reason why TCH in Northern Ontario remains 2-lane for the most part.

[TorontoDrew]

it would/will cost a ton to do it through Ontario's vast remote northern regions.


[IMG]Hwy 17 near Kama Bay by glenn tanaka, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]Old Woman Bay by glenn tanaka, on Flickr[/IMG]

[Dengler Avenue]

Well, unless you twin the 11 instead of the 17. Surprisingly, once you get past Temiskaming Shores, it's mostly flat land again until you hit Beardmore(?). Between Nipigon and North Bay, there are 317 km of rough segment of 11 whereas there are 587 km for 17.

[Glacier]

Originally Posted by Andy6

The new highway was initially a toll road, which was one reason the TCH designation didn't change. But I wouldn't doubt that it had as much or more to do with the wishes of the communities along the traditional route.

Highways in BC are extremely political and frustrating. Instead of designing and building highways to advance the great good of the entire province, the government (both left and right) keeps catering to special interest groups.

Highway 1 remains highway 1 down the Canyon because of the Cache Creek lobby. But it's not just the naming that caters to special interest groups (namely whiny snively businesses in downtown communities). Highway 97 from Vernon to the US border at Osoyoos is 180km, and there are over 60 traffic lights (with more going in all the time). That's one traffic light every 3 km for 180km. It sucks donkey nuts. As soon as you cross the border, our average speed goes up by 20km/h.

Anyway, at Sicamous, there a massive sign telling travelers from Alberta that they can choose between highway 1 via Kamloops or highway 97 via Kelowna to get to Vancouver. What they don't tell you is that the s**t ton of lights via Kelowna makes the trip an extra hour longer. Plus, your carbon footprint goes up 10% from all the stop-go traffic.

If you go Kamloops, there's another sign for choosing between 5 or 1. The second option being an extra 1.5 hours.

The province will not bypass communities like Sorrento even though it would be far more cost effective, reduce GHG emissions, greatly reduce accidents and deaths, and improve the economy by reducing travel times. Nope, they don't care about that at all. They only care about following the existing route even if it means the potential of an fuel truck plunging into the pristine lake because the 500 people living in Sorrento might lose business from frustrated tourists forced to stop for 5 hours as the highway is closed because of yet another fatal crash.

[ssiguy]

Yes, BC roads are horrible.

The Okanagan Connector is another stellar example. It actually doesn't connect with the Coquihalla but rather is 20 km south of it requiring all the traffic to go many km out of their way to get to Vancouver. This was done because the people of Merritt didn't want the OK-bound traffic to bypass their dump of a town and because the Minister of Highways at the time was from Merritt. This disconnection costs drivers 20-25 minutes extra and transports a whopping 40-45 minutes longer. The longer time for the transports is because before coming into Merritt from Vancouver there is a monstrous mountain to climb and decend and transports often are going at 50km/hr as they have prblems climbing the steep and long mountain and then the descent is steep so have to gear-down.

Vancouver has 2 US border points but only one for trucks. For the trucks to get to HWY#1 they have to traverse just a 4 lane road with 13 traffic lights on a road still used by farm tractors, go thru the centre of the town Cloverdale, go right beside a firestation and thru a school zone which tells drivers to slow to 50km/hr when "children are playing on the highway" with 3 stops lights at the very base of 2 VERY steep hills where transports crawl up the roadway.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by Glacier

Highways in BC are extremely political and frustrating. Instead of designing and building highways to advance the great good of the entire province, the government (both left and right) keeps catering to special interest groups.

Highway 1 remains highway 1 down the Canyon because of the Cache Creek lobby. But it's not just the naming that caters to special interest groups (namely whiny snively businesses in downtown communities). Highway 97 from Vernon to the US border at Osoyoos is 180km, and there are over 60 traffic lights (with more going in all the time). That's one traffic light every 3 km for 180km. It sucks donkey nuts. As soon as you cross the border, our average speed goes up by 20km/h.

Anyway, at Sicamous, there a massive sign telling travelers from Alberta that they can choose between highway 1 via Kamloops or highway 97 via Kelowna to get to Vancouver. What they don't tell you is that the s**t ton of lights via Kelowna makes the trip an extra hour longer. Plus, your carbon footprint goes up 10% from all the stop-go traffic.

If you go Kamloops, there's another sign for choosing between 5 or 1. The second option being an extra 1.5 hours.

The province will not bypass communities like Sorrento even though it would be far more cost effective, reduce GHG emissions, greatly reduce accidents and deaths, and improve the economy by reducing travel times. Nope, they don't care about that at all. They only care about following the existing route even if it means the potential of an fuel truck plunging into the pristine lake because the 500 people living in Sorrento might lose business from frustrated tourists forced to stop for 5 hours as the highway is closed because of yet another fatal crash.

lol great rant. BC in a nusthell.

[ghYHZ]

The Nova Scotia Department of Transportation and Infrastructure Renewal presented an Open House last week on the twinning of TCH 104 between Sutherlands River and Antigonish. Land clearing will start in 2019….construction in 2020 and completion by 2024.

It will be a Design, Build, Finance, Operate and Maintain PPP Project but will Not be tolled. To make the deal sweeter….they are also including in the maintenance contract the existing twinned 13 km section from New Glasgow to Sutherlands River and the recently completed 15 km Antigonish Bypass.


20181114070449734_0001 by ghYHZ, on Flickr

20181114070508671_0001 by ghYHZ, on Flickr


Most attending appeared to be more interested in the alignment of the middle 10 km section of completely new highway that will by-pass Marshy Hope. Map link here:

https://goo.gl/maps/6Ht7PZMbGBM2


20181110_161617 by ghYHZ, on Flickr

20181110_161622 by ghYHZ, on Flickr

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The existing TCH104 through Marshy Hope is quite scenic especially in the fall…..running through a narrow gorge section with a railway on one side and river on the other. It will become Trunk 4 in the future.


IMG_20151016_164512 - Copy by ghYHZ, on Flickr

77-10Scan10102 by ghYHZ, on Flickr

[sonysnob]

That looks like a nice upgrade to the TCH. Beautiful fall foliage as well.

[Dengler Avenue]

Wow I was trying to find this thread but couldn't.

It'll be nice to see A85 (QC) and NS 104 done around the same time.

Also, NS should really consider ditching sequential markers for exits, and use km markers instead.

[ghYHZ]

The eastern end of the continuous** North American multi-lane highway/freeway network is now at KM179.5 on TCH104.....just beyond the NS245 overpass at Sutherlands River, NS.

(**to reach Quebec and Ontario on a multi-lane highway you just have to drive thru the US until that gap in A-85 is complete)

Once this new section of twinned TCH104 is complete and hooks into the Antigonish Bypass…..it will push the eastern end to approx KM233 at Taylors Road.

There are disconnected freeway segments east of there at Sydney and in Newfoundland at Corner Brook, Grand Falls and between Whitbourne and St. John’s.

Here's the Beginning/End at Sutherlands River (looking west).......





And looking east…….

[TorontoDrew]

It would be nice to have a twinned hwy from coast to coast. That's one of the great things in the U.S. I know we have a small population and a massive expanse but if we were able to build a railroad that was the longest in the world 133 years ago we should be able as a nation to do this with ease now.