Manitoba Election 2007: The SSP Forumers Perspective

[vid]

Like capitalism has done much for us. It was the abuses of a capitalist society that gave way to the popularity of socialism throughout central Canada.

[newflyer]

Originally Posted by vid

Like capitalism has done much for us. It was the abuses of a capitalist society that gave way to the popularity of socialism throughout central Canada.

How so .. I think it was the other way around. The lack of capitalist policies over the last 30 years has left Manitoba dreaming of brighter days when business used to thrive. We are all so deparate to keep the Exchange District alive as a reminder of when Winnipeg used to be an important economic city.

You can put the blame where it belongs .. Socialism has turned Manitobas into a weak have not province.


BC used to have dilutions of NDP fantacies as well, but they were cured by a strong dose of Capitalist expansion. It funny how the NDP kills every economy they govern. BC is an amazing example of what can be achieved with economic policies that promote growth.

[1ajs]

who was in power when we boomed i n the 60s/70s

[thegestetner]

Re: newflyer

The only real "cure" BC has received under capitalist policies is more dough to line the pockets of the small but growing upper class. The cost of living has soared and the minimum wage has stayed stagnant, and the idea of "affordable housing" within the city of Vancouver is a complete joke. Their economy is doing fine now, sure, but give 'em a couple decades of their current policies and all the massive Olympic-related expropriations/tuition hikes/selective logging operations will come back to bite them in the ass.

We are not a people-magnet for the natural/environmental reasons BC is, and never will be. Ergo, we can't have our method of government revolve around the money that these nonexistant wanderlust types will bring in.



Oh, and hi everyone! (grin)

[vid]

Originally Posted by newflyer

How so

Capitalist exploitation of workers led to a revolt in the form of the labour unions and ultimately the Winnipeg General Strike. Karl Marx said that after capitalism will be communism, it will happen when people finally have enough of capitalists exploiting the workers.

[spiritedenergy]

Originally Posted by thegestetner

Re: newflyer

The only real "cure" BC has received under capitalist policies is more dough to line the pockets of the small but growing upper class. The cost of living has soared and the minimum wage has stayed stagnant, and the idea of "affordable housing" within the city of Vancouver is a complete joke. Their economy is doing fine now, sure, but give 'em a couple decades of their current policies and all the massive Olympic-related expropriations/tuition hikes/selective logging operations will come back to bite them in the ass.

We are not a people-magnet for the natural/environmental reasons BC is, and never will be. Ergo, we can't have our method of government revolve around the money that these nonexistant wanderlust types will bring in.



Oh, and hi everyone! (grin)

welcome! great first post

[spiritedenergy]

Originally Posted by vid

Capitalist exploitation of workers led to a revolt in the form of the labour unions and ultimately the Winnipeg General Strike. Karl Marx said that after capitalism will be communism, it will happen when people finally have enough of capitalists exploiting the workers.

i want a communist Manitoba!!!! people have the power

[The Diva]

If any jurisdiction needs a socialist government, it is Alberta. Massive amounts of cash in its coffers, yet it makes its residents pay health care premiums, the housing market is out of control (with virtually no affordable housing initiative)...

Things are really bad when the one province we could always rely on to be worse off than we, is now an oil-rich province, while we are still in limbo with no clear vision. All Doer cares about are transfer payments which make us look like we are fiscally sound.

[newflyer]

Originally Posted by spiritedenergy

i want a communist Manitoba!!!! people have the power

Yeah communisim has worked so well around the world.. where people are asured to live in complete poverty and have no rights to make change. Where there are long lines for a shortage of food.

Yeah what a paradise I guess thats why it has colapsed around the world. China which is still a dictatorship... is now a adopting capitist policies. The country has never been as wealthy. Millions of people have moved from poverty to mid-income on a global scale. Modern cities have apeared where old communist centres of communist failure used to be.

Even Cuba, which allows its people to live in third world conditions (real fairness right??) has just stated that it will pour 180 Million .. a masive amount for such a poor nation.. into updating many resorts as tourism revenue from private resorts is declining, and that drives the extemely limited economy. A co-worker friend of mine just got back from Cuba, and said how she helps a local family provide for themselves, with clothes, vitimines, food.. (to supliment limited government rashions) and money.

May I suggest you pull you head out of LA-LA world and get a grip on reality. Go talk to some people who lived under the old Soviet Union. That would be a good start. I can't beleive I am actually having a discussion about a failed political system. Perhaps someone else would like adopt the government policies of the Greek Empire.. at least they were successful in there era... or some other failed system of another bygone era. Communism is dead, except in aging history books.

[vid]

What are you talking about? There has never been a communist nation, they just call them selves that. Communism isn't achievable without removing all aspects of capitalism, therefore, communism isn't achievable.

[big W]

Wow what a sad reality this election is. While I do not agree our government is doing things right (far from it) we are still better off than Manitoba. I have seen the current government do nothing in the years that they have been in power. If one can really say Manitoba is better off relitive to the rest of Canada today than it was 10 years ago, then they have a case but in the last several years Manitoba has become the 7th province in Canada on a GDP per capita basis. Yes thats right Manitoba is now 7th and with the way things are going within 5 years may be overtaken by Nova Scotia. There is nothing wrong with a conservative or socailist party and ideals. However they need to be kept in check and how do we as voters do that? Change governments. Good Luck Manitoba you need it right now.

[spiritedenergy]

Originally Posted by newflyer

Yeah communisim has worked so well around the world.. where people are asured to live in complete poverty and have no rights to make change. Where there are long lines for a shortage of food.

Yeah what a paradise I guess thats why it has colapsed around the world. China which is still a dictatorship... is now a adopting capitist policies. The country has never been as wealthy. Millions of people have moved from poverty to mid-income on a global scale. Modern cities have apeared where old communist centres of communist failure used to be.

Even Cuba, which allows its people to live in third world conditions (real fairness right??) has just stated that it will pour 180 Million .. a masive amount for such a poor nation.. into updating many resorts as tourism revenue from private resorts is declining, and that drives the extemely limited economy. A co-worker friend of mine just got back from Cuba, and said how she helps a local family provide for themselves, with clothes, vitimines, food.. (to supliment limited government rashions) and money.

May I suggest you pull you head out of LA-LA world and get a grip on reality. Go talk to some people who lived under the old Soviet Union. That would be a good start. I can't beleive I am actually having a discussion about a failed political system. Perhaps someone else would like adopt the government policies of the Greek Empire.. at least they were successful in there era... or some other failed system of another bygone era. Communism is dead, except in aging history books.

i lived in a former Soviet Union country... all that people there wished for was to come back to the communist era.

but this is out of point, i was joking and you with your repetitive capitalist ideas keep repeating the same stuff over and over.
The point is that Gary Doer and NDP ar miles better than PC and McFayden, not because Doer is particularly good, but because McFayden has the worst vision and projects ever. Put PC in power and Manitoba would be doomed forever under the crappiest leadership ever.

[spiritedenergy]

Originally Posted by big W

Wow what a sad reality this election is. While I do not agree our government is doing things right (far from it) we are still better off than Manitoba. I have seen the current government do nothing in the years that they have been in power. If one can really say Manitoba is better off relitive to the rest of Canada today than it was 10 years ago, then they have a case but in the last several years Manitoba has become the 7th province in Canada on a GDP per capita basis. Yes thats right Manitoba is now 7th and with the way things are going within 5 years may be overtaken by Nova Scotia. There is nothing wrong with a conservative or socailist party and ideals. However they need to be kept in check and how do we as voters do that? Change governments. Good Luck Manitoba you need it right now.

thanks for your post but i don't think Manitoba needs your charity. Alberta has its problems too, especially Edmonton with out of control crime all over the place. Do you call it progress and wealth? I call it a bubble that will explode very soon.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

newflyer shut up you are an outsider......................


the conservitives are a bunch of idiots untill they get a new group of plp runing it that are not a bunch of pencil head weeners they can go fuck them selfs

Im impressed 1ajs by your new ballsy demeanor!






PS. ballsy
Intense, manly, amazing.

"Did you see Jim tell off the boss? That was ballsy!"

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Im impressed 1ajs by your new ballsy demeanor!






PS. ballsy
Intense, manly, amazing.

"Did you see Jim tell off the boss? That was ballsy!"

ok

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

who was in power when we boomed i n the 60s/70s

I'll go back even further, to the just after the end of WWII.

Douglas Campbell - 1948-1958 - Liberal-Progressive
Duff Roblin - 1958-1967 - PC
Walter Weir - 1967-1969 - PC
Ed Schreyer - 1969-1977 - NDP
Sterling Lyon - 1977-1981 - PC
Howard Pawley - 1981-1988 - NDP
Gary Filmon - 1988-1999 - PC
Gary Doer - 1999-current - NDP

SOURCE: Wikipedia - List of Manitoba premiers

[The Diva]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

who was in power when we boomed i n the 60s/70s

A massive number of apartment buildings in this city were built during the 60s. Hmmm...there was no rent control then...any correlation? I dont know when the payroll tax was introduced, but certainly it didn't help. The increase in transfer payments could have been used to cut the payroll tax. Basically, we need to undo what was done throughout the last 40 years....

[Only The Lonely..]

Give us an election blockbuster

By STEPHEN RIPLEY| Sun, May 20, 2007 | Winnipeg Sun Commentary

What a waste of time and effort the past four weeks have been.

Instead of devoting our full attention to the advent of spring, the NHL playoffs or the new Spider-Man movie, we were subjected to the far-less-engaging provincial election campaign. Our only consolation is it’s almost over.

In the run-up to Tuesday’s ballot, the two major parties did little to distinguish themselves in voters’ minds. Reading off the same playbook, the New Democrat and Progressive Conservative parties offered up a slew of instantly forgettable promises in the areas of health care, crime and taxation, never once connecting with voters in a meaningful way.

It’s easy to understand why Premier Gary Doer ran such a milquetoast campaign. As the popular front-runner, he would rather rely on his glib charm than his questionable record.

Having been burned by — but not yet held accountable for — his broken pledge in 1999 to end hallway medicine, Doer kept expectations low, promising only to spend tax dollars on police and nurses and the like. The lone live leaders’ debate he chose to bless with his presence seemed designed to have the least possible impact, broadcast on the radio, on a weekday morning while everyone was at work.


As the front-runner, of course, Doer had little to gain by making waves. What’s so baffling is why his opponent, PC Leader Hugh McFadyen, didn’t go on the offensive and force the premier out of his hidey hole to answer for the past eight years.

McFadyen barely mentioned the Crocus scandal, despite mounting evidence the NDP government knew about the fund’s financial problems and hid that information from investors.

He didn’t hold Doer’s feet to the fire over the sorry state of our health-care system. Appallingly, thanks in part to thinly disguised campaign ads run by the Manitoba Nurses Union, the NDP was able to claim the high ground on the issue, reminding voters of the bad old days of the mid-’90s when the health-care system was a mess. Well guess what? Thanks to Doer, it’s still a mess.

Instead of tearing into the NDP for eight dismal years in which, relative to the rest of Canada, Manitoba’s economy declined and its crime rate soared, McFadyen will be remembered mostly for his ill-advised scheme to bring NHL hockey back to Winnipeg. Which is a shame, because the Tories have some good ideas — their ambitious tax-cut plan and their pledge to impose stiffer sentencing guidelines on Crown prosecutors being just a couple.

But if the parties and their leaders weren’t up to the task of running effective campaign, that doesn’t let us off the hook.

On Tuesday, it’s up to us to forget about the past four weeks of dodged debates and missed chances and think instead about the past eight years of broken promises and declining fortunes. Maybe then we’ll see a real spring blockbuster.

[Brokenhead]

Well, the election is tomorrow.


Will the future of Manitoba keep disgrading itself?

[The Diva]

I sincerely hope those undecided voters vote PC...the Liberals will probably lose what seats it has, so I would rather see the PC Party in power than Doer with his stupid grin and anti-business, gimme-more-transfer-payments-so-I-can-govern attitude.