NEW YORK | 30 Hudson Yards (North Tower) | 1,296 FT | 92 FLOORS

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[WIGGLEWORTH]

Why does there seem to be no core in this building so far?

[BrownTown]

Originally Posted by WIGGLEWORTH

Why does there seem to be no core in this building so far?

This building is entirely steel. It will have a steel "core", but it obviously won't look anything like a concrete core.

[CityGuy87]

Originally Posted by BrownTown

This building is entirely steel. It will have a steel "core", but it obviously won't look anything like a concrete core.

So that means it will rise much faster than its little brother, right?

[WIGGLEWORTH]

Originally Posted by CityGuy87

So that means it will rise much faster than its little brother, right?

That would make sense, but this one seems to rising quite slowly in its own right.

[sbarn]

I'm nearly certain this building will have a concrete core. The steel work is just moving faster than the concrete work. The concrete core will rise within the steel superstructure. If you think back, One World Trade rose in a similar fashion.

[jstarr]

Originally Posted by sbarn

I'm nearly certain this building will have a concrete core. The steel work is just moving faster than the concrete work. The concrete core will rise within the steel superstructure. If you think back, One World Trade rose in a similar fashion.

This might not be entirely true. it is totally possible to build an all steel building. The Bow tower in Calgary was done this way. Stairwells and Elevator shafts as framed with heavy gauge steel studs and they use a product called shaft liner, its a fibreglass "papered" GWB that is typically 1" thick. it would be double layer inside with possibly double layer 5/8" outside depending on if its a 2.5 or 3 hour fire-rating.

If you think about what they are building over, they have no place for a raft slab to support the enormous weight of a concrete core

[sbarn]

Originally Posted by jstarr

This might not be entirely true. it is totally possible to build an all steel building. The Bow tower in Calgary was done this way. Stairwells and Elevator shafts as framed with heavy gauge steel studs and they use a product called shaft liner, its a fibreglass "papered" GWB that is typically 1" thick. it would be double layer inside with possibly double layer 5/8" outside depending on if its a 2.5 or 3 hour fire-rating.

If you think about what they are building over, they have no place for a raft slab to support the enormous weight of a concrete core

True, it is entirely possible. However, given that this how the original World Trade Center was built, I find it highly unlikely that a supertall tower would be built again in NY employing this structural system. From what I understood about this building, the core sits on solid ground while portions of the floorplates extend over the tracks.

[CCs77]

I think it is highly unlikely this building having a concrete core, as such.

Though, it is possible that the fire stairs and some elevators will be encased in concrete walls, poured over the steel structure as a protections, if done that way, together with some steel bracing, those concrete walls could also serve to help resist horizontal forces, but I don't think it will have an entire concrete core. So far I haven't seen anything indicating that, nor in the construction pics, nor in any plan or document.

As for the speed of construction, many people seems to believe it will rise fast just because it is steel, I don't think so. 10HY didn't rise relatively slow because it has a concrete structure, but because it has a complex structure, spaning over the High Line, with leaning columns, each plate different to each other, etc. 30 Park Place, with a structure entirely made of concrete rose very fast, because the building is much simplier.

I don't think this building will rise quickly because it is very comples, more than 10HY, and mostly the lower floors.

Her it is a diagram with the structure of the tower, I don't see anything indicating a concrete core.

[NYguy]

http://therealdeal.com/issues_articl...-yards-hustle/

The Hudson Yards hustle
With Related furiously locking in tenants, a look at who’s signed and how much space in the megaproject is left

November 01, 2015
By Rich Bockmann

Last month’s topping-off ceremony at 10 Hudson Yards was marked by the usual fanfare associated with such events — jeans-clad construction workers were assembled alongside suited executives, speeches were made and concrete was hoisted and poured.

There was good cause for celebration. The 52-story tower represents the first of Related Companies’ five planned office buildings on the Far West Side. With 94 percent of its space spoken for, 10 Hudson Yards will open its doors in the spring to tenants such as Coach and L’Oreal.

But in terms of the Hudson Yards project as a whole, it’s just the beginning. Construction is already under way on the second and third towers at the 28-acre, 17-million-square-foot development. And the ink is already dry on some leases.

In addition, a seven-story, 1-million-square-foot mall will be home to more than 100 shops, including Neiman Marcus, which is taking 250,000 square feet across three floors.

To be sure, the total square footage already locked up — a figure The Real Deal calculates to be 3.92 million square feet — is an impressive sum. But for Hudson Yards, it’s only about 40 percent of the 9.9 million square feet of planned office space for the entire project. That includes the sale late last month of a 343,000-square-foot office condo to the private equity firm KKR.

Related and its partner Oxford Properties will undoubtedly face increasing competition from neighboring developments, which were arguably spurred by Hudson Yards. Altogether, Brookfield Property Partners, the Moinian Group and Tishman Speyer plan to develop roughly 10 million square feet of office space in the surrounding area. With that in mind, here’s a look at the status of Related’s project and who’s already measuring the windows for curtains.


30 HUDSON YARDS

The 90-story, 2.6-million-square-foot tower began rising this past summer after Related inked a megadeal with Time Warner. When completed in 2019, 30 Hudson Yards will be the second-tallest office building in the city at 1,296 feet, and the tallest of the Hudson Yard’s buildings. The building has 342,000 square feet available, after the buyout firm KKR & Co. said it was buying 343,000 square feet, the top 10 floors, at press time. Below are the other tenants who have signed on.

Floors 14-51
Media powerhouse: Time Warner

Time Warner is playing musical chairs at Related’s buildings. In early 2014 it made the long-held rumors official, announcing plans to move to Hudson Yards from Related’s Time Warner Center. Related bought the media company’s Columbus Circle headquarters for $1.3 billion in 2014, freeing Time Warner up to buy a 1.6-million-square-foot commercial condo at Hudson Yards’ second tower. With the relocation, Time Warner will consolidate its subsidiary companies CNN, Warner and HBO — 5,000 employees in total — under one roof.

“I think the appeal of Hudson Yards is that it’s this emergent neighborhood, a new Midtown,” said broker Michael Colacino, who was part of a team at Savills Studley that represented Time Warner in the deal. “I think in five to six years we’ll be surprised we ever thought about it as being far away.”

Floor 66
Welcome aboard, partner: Oxford Properties

Related may be the headline name on the Hudson Yards mega projects, but it has a big financial backer in Oxford, the wholly owned subsidiary of Canada’s Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System, which is providing up to $475 million in equity for the project. Not surprisingly, Oxford, which has a U.S. headquarters at 320 Park Avenue, is taking a full-floor condo for itself.

Floors 67-72
Live-in landlord: Related Companies

Related, which has about 700 employees in three offices, will also trade in its 100,000-square-foot space at the Time Warner Center and move its main operations into a six-floor condo at 30 Hudson Yards. According to Related officials, company chairman Stephen Ross and his wife, Kara Ross, will be taking a new home in one of Hudson Yards’ residential buildings. They will no doubt be setting the bar high. Earlier this year, their Time Warner Center penthouse was featured in Architectural Digest. In addition, Related CEO Jeff Blau, who currently lives on the Upper East Side, recently told the Observer that he would move to Hudson Yards once his kids are older.

[BrownTown]

Originally Posted by sbarn

I'm nearly certain this building will have a concrete core. The steel work is just moving faster than the concrete work. The concrete core will rise within the steel superstructure. If you think back, One World Trade rose in a similar fashion.

It's been an established fact for a long time now that this building has no concrete core. The center of the building arches over the rail yard and there would be no place for a core to be anchored to the bedrock.

But the fact it is all steel does not imply it will be quick. The lower portion of the building has one of the most complex constructions anywhere in the world. After the building is 10 stories tall it may begin to spring to life, but until then it will be progressing very methodically due to the incredibly complex design.

[TechTalkGuy]

I can certainly understand why some folks would assume that this tower would have a concrete core.

Technically, a concrete core could be possible between the railroad tracks, depending on the method of the mold being poured, but from the illustrations that have been made available here on SSP, we all know that this tower is an all steel frame structure.

Considering those facts, the height of these towers become even more impressive.

As for the comparison with the old "Twin Towers", I'm pretty certain that the engineering behind this project is much more advanced.

[sbarn]

THIS document is a bit dated, but it shows 30 Hudson Yards actually having both a concrete core (lower levels to sky lobby) and a steel core (upper floors). Like I said, this is dated so the design may have changed since, but it gives a good glimpse into the structural system contemplated for this building.

(Sorry for the large image... but it's interesting!)

HUDSONYARDS_2 by sbarn, on Flickr


hudson-yards-nyc-30-hudson-yards-stack-01-1112Z by sbarn, on Flickr

[NYguy]

This building is a beast, in terms of size. In fact, most of the Hudson Yards towers are or will be beasts. That adds some balance to a skyline with the emerging thin supertalls dominating to the north. For all the talk of the thing towers rising, most of what we will be getting are the more traditional, bulky giants.



https://www.pehub.com/2015/10/kkr-to...yards-in-2020/

Designed by Bill Pedersen of Kohn Pedersen Fox, the LEED Gold 90-story tower will stand 1,296 feet tall and offer state-of-the-art commercial office space for KKR employees and clients, including corporate amenity spaces, a private elevator bank to a sky lobby, river-to river panoramic views, a planned outdoor terrace, as well as direct access to premier retail shops, restaurants and the city’s highest outdoor observation deck and top floor restaurant and event space. KKR will be on the top floors of the building’s upper office block. A triple-height ground floor lobby offers entrances off of Tenth Avenue and Hudson Boulevard, and direct access to the new No. 7 subway extension

http://hudsonyardsnewyork.com/office/30-hudson-yards

30 Hudson Yards is located at the southwest corner of 33rd Street and 10th Avenue and will be completed in 2019. The 2.6-million-square-foot tower designed by Bill Pedersen of Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates (KPF) will be the second-tallest office building in New York, taller than the Empire State Building and home to the highest outdoor observation deck in the city. The 90-story, LEED Gold-designed building will stand 1,296 feet tall and feature river-to-river panoramic views

[chris08876]

Pics by me

[TechTalkGuy]

This site seems as massive as the WTC site.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by TechTalkGuy

This site seems as massive as the WTC site.

I'd say bigger because not just due to the HY, but the surrounding proxy sites. Every block or two has something going on. Lots of mid rises on the side streets too. Factor that in with the high line (tons of midrises there u/c), and further north, its a mini city u/c.

Also, the piers are due for development. Further adding to the construction frenzy. If one wants lots of crane porn, just get out of MSG on the 8th Avenue side, and walk west. Too much one could say.

Can't wait for phase 2 to kick off.

[sbarn]

Hudson Yards definitely feels larger than the WTC site. Plus it has 3+ towers rising simultaneously in addition to an above ground mall, it really is incredible to see.

[WIGGLEWORTH]

It seems to be about 4 stories above ground level now? Correct me if Im mistaken. This one will be a slow riser

[Submariner]

I took a trip to the HU station for the first time last night - though it may not be the masterpiece we all hoped for, it's shockingly nicer than the average (or even scant lovely outlier) station.

My guess is, 30 will start to rise somewhat faster given that the challenging work of anchoring it to the bedrock (and dealing with the train traffic underneath) is complete. Still, like it's shorter brother, it has a somewhat complicated design. It's not going to rise like 30PP or 432 Park...