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Here's an example of why Japanese auto companies will keep winning at the expense of GM and Ford:

Behind Toyota's hybrid revolution
Automaker's successful gamble with Prius fuels its image as a trendsetter

Robert Collier, San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, April 24, 2006


Workers assemble doors for the Prius at the Toyota Tsutsumi Plant in Toyota City, Japan. Toyota accounts for about 80 percent of U.S. hybrid sales


Satoshi Ogiso, chief designer of the Prius, stands inside the Toyota showroom in Toyota City, about 150 miles southwest of Tokyo

Toyota City, Japan -- Satoshi Ogiso doesn't look or act like a brash automobile executive. With an ill-fitting suit and spiky hairdo, his hands flutter bashfully across his face as he talks of "difficulties," "challenges" and "problems."

The 45-year-old engineer refuses to brag about his accomplishments. But as chief engineer of the hybrid Prius, Ogiso has helped Toyota revolutionize the auto industry.

By making huge long-term investments in gas-saving technologies that U.S. automakers pooh-poohed, Toyota has proved that corporate environmental consciousness can be wildly profitable.

"What has made this revolution possible is that Toyota is a company with a focus on technology, because we think innovation is the future of our company," Ogiso said in an interview. "So we cannot fall behind. We are trying very hard, and it is very difficult."

Ogiso's humility is typical of Toyota. Its world headquarters in Toyota City, a quiet industrial city 150 miles southwest of Tokyo, has a deceptively modest demeanor: The nondescript, 13-story building looks like it might house a midsize insurance firm in any American suburb.

But Toyota is expected to overtake the nearly bankrupt General Motors this year as the world's largest automaker. While GM and Ford are closing factories and losing billions of dollars annually, Toyota is expanding at a red-hot pace around the world.

For years, Toyota recorded solid growth because of its dependable, fuel-efficient cars such as the Camry. Then, in the 1990s, while U.S. automakers were building bigger and bigger SUVs and trucks, Toyota threw itself into hybrid gasoline-electric research, investing more than $1 billion in the then-little-known field.

Executives at GM, Ford and Daimler-Chrysler derided the hybrids as money-losers and lagged in producing their own models. Toyota pressed ahead, and its resulting hybrids -- the Prius, the Highlander SUV and Lexus RX400h, as well as a half-dozen other hybrid models sold only in Japan -- now dominate the market, accounting for about 80 percent of U.S. hybrid sales.

Hybrids make up only 3 percent of Toyota's overall world sales, but the buzz resulting from their success has added to Toyota's public image as a trend leader.

"Toyota is willing to make investments to gain technological capability, not just for guaranteed returns on investment, like the Big Three," said Jeffrey Liker, the author of a recent book, "The Toyota Way."

"Toyota believes that 10 years from now, its hybrid technology will be like the Windows platform is now -- most cars will be a version of hybrid," said Liker, a professor of industrial and operations engineering at the University of Michigan. That gamble is "probably correct," he added.

In many ways, the Prius project appears to be a textbook example of Toyota's much-vaunted, much-imitated internal management system and its mantra of kaizen, or continuous improvement, in which top executives steadily ratchet up performance standards for their employees, while also listening closely to suggestions and emphasizing consensus.

The project was the brainchild of Toyota's chairman at the time, Eiji Toyoda, a member of the company's controlling family, who had an unusual obsession with energy saving. The secretive project, known internally only as G21, was at first not meant to be a hybrid.

Ogiso was one of the original team of about 100 engineers selected by Toyota chiefs in late 1993. "We didn't know much about the idea," he said. "Our only instruction was that it should achieve a fuel-efficiency improvement of 50 percent, and it somehow should be the 'car of the 21st century.' "

The insistence on fuel efficiency was highly unusual. At the time, the price of oil averaged below $15 per barrel, Americans were snapping up ever-bigger SUVs, and saving gasoline seemed like a politically correct anachronism.

But Toyota's chairman convinced his top executives that environmental issues were a long-term threat, said Takehisa Yaegashi, a chief of the Prius project in the mid- and late 1990s who later became chief of all Toyota alternative power-train projects.

"In those years, discussions were going on about the hybrid program, but we thought it was quite clear that global warming was a challenge we would have to take up," said Yaegashi, who now is a semi-retired consultant for the firm.

In September 1994, the G21 team first heard hints from top executives that it should consider hybrid technology, which had been tainted by its association with an earlier, failed project to build an electric car. That December, management came with a thunderbolt -- instead of a 50 percent improvement in fuel efficiency, the new car would need a 100 percent improvement.

The team protested that this would be impossible with a normal internal combustion gasoline engine. Fine, the response came. So you'll have to make it a hybrid.

In August 1995, Toyota's new chairman, Hiroshi Okuda, came with another thunderbolt -- instead of the previous target date of December 1998, the project would have to be completed by December 1997.

The team worked feverishly, canceling all vacations and working through most weekends, and divided into two 12-hour shifts, working around the clock.

They had several crises. At first, the electric motor's battery was very sensitive to high temperatures, and it would malfunction when heated up by the gasoline engine next to it. "For a long time, we couldn't solve that," Ogiso said. "It was very difficult."

After that was fixed, a full-scale prototype vehicle was plagued by malfunctions. "It would hardly go 100 meters," Ogiso recalled.

The tight-knit team of Yaegashi, Ogiso and the others finally succeeded in beating the deadline by two months. The Prius was launched on the Japanese domestic market in October 1997. Three years later, it came to the United States.

Last year, Toyota sold 110,400 Priuses in the United States and Canada and 43,600 in Japan. U.S. and Canadian sales of other Toyota hybrid models totaled 40,300 and Japanese sales were 14,500.

Yaegashi calls hybrid technology "the key to two issues -- the global environment and the development of world energy resources. I do not understand why U.S. manufacturers are not so keenly working on hybrid technology. Are they more optimistic about global warming or the supplies of oil?"

John Cleveland, vice president of IRN Inc., an auto industry consulting firm in Grand Rapids, Mich., said Toyota views environmental concern as simple business logic, not "do-gooderism."

Toyota has been the most explicit automaker "about the environmental challenge facing the auto industry because it has always had such a long-term perspective, ever since the days of Mr. Toyoda, when he started the company with a 50-year business plan," Cleveland said, referring to Kiichiro Toyoda, who founded the company in 1938 as an offshoot of his family's textile loom business.

"Now, they're starting to realize they have an almost $200 billion market (capitalization) based on a carbon energy source that's diminishing, and they're wondering, 'What's our company going to be worth 50 years from now, when oil may be much more scarce?' " said Cleveland, whose company's client list includes several Toyota parts suppliers. "So they're the most aggressive about developing alternate technologies."

By Wall Street's main yardstick -- the company's share price levels -- Toyota is the world's ninth most valuable company, and is now worth more than double the combined value of GM, Ford and DaimlerChrysler.

Japanese analysts agree that even by Japan's standards, Toyota is unique.

"Toyota is a model company in the field of environmental management and resource productivity," said Ryoichi Yamamoto, a professor of environmental materials design at the Institute of Industrial Science of the University of Tokyo.

Yamamoto cited Toyota's steps to improve the recyclability of its cars, its reduction of waste and pollution in its manufacturing plants, and its focus on fuel efficiency. "Other companies are trying to imitate it, but they have not yet reached the same level," he said.

Some environmentalists disagree.

"Toyota is two-faced," said Yurika Ayukawa, director of the climate change program at the World Wildlife Fund of Japan. "It wants to be seen as an eco-company, as environmentally committed, but it's really just business as usual."

Ayukawa noted that Toyota has joined with U.S. automakers in filing lawsuits in state and federal court seeking to block California's landmark 2004 rule ordering all automakers to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of the cars they sell.

Masayuki Sasanouchi, general manager of Toyota's environmental affairs division, defended the company's attack on the California rules.

"We understand climate change is a federal issue, so we don't think California has a right to legislate it," he said. "We don't believe carbon dioxide is the same as a pollutant, and for this reason it's not covered under the Clean Air Act," he said, referring to the 1977 law, amended in 1990, that gives California the right to set air-quality standards different from the federal government's rules.

In fact, Toyota probably would benefit if the new California rule goes into effect in 2009 as scheduled, because its cars produce less emissions than its competitors' cars. But some analysts said Toyota seems to have bowed to larger political concerns, calculating that by allying with the politically powerful Detroit automakers on the anti-environment lawsuits, it could defuse pressure in Congress for anti-Japanese tariffs.

"Toyota is hypersensitive to the potential for protectionist backlash," Jeffrey Liker said, pointing out that Toyota's exports from Japan to North America are growing fast, reaching 940,000 cars in 2005, up 16 percent from 2004.

Environmentalists also have criticized Toyota for using hybrid technology to boost the horsepower and acceleration, rather than fuel efficiency, of its new Lexus RX 400h and Highlander hybrid models.

And under U.S. fuel-efficiency rules, the high mileage of the Prius helps Toyota comply with fleet averages even as it launches gas guzzlers like a larger, beefed-up version of the Tundra, its big pickup.

For Toyota, whose U.S. sales are soaring while American automakers' sales are slumping, there is never time for bragging.

A hybrid version of the best-selling Camry will be released this autumn. Ogiso said his team of engineers is working on a new version of the Prius and other hybrid projects.

"We need to continue working hard," Ogiso said. "We need to be making drastic improvements."
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Here's an example of why Japanese auto companies will keep winning at the expense of GM and Ford:

Behind Toyota's hybrid revolution
Automaker's successful gamble with Prius fuels its image as a trendsetter

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And here's why that "successful gamble" could very well be just a lot of hype.

http://today.reuters.com/business/ne...HYBRIDS-DC.XML

US hybrid sales mostly slack despite gasoline hike
Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:38 PM ET
By Poornima Gupta

DETROIT (Reuters) - U.S. gas prices have risen nearly a third over the past year without touching off a boom in sales of fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles, some of which are sitting on dealer lots for as long as three months.

Many U.S. consumers are concluding that what they save in gasoline and on tax credits from driving a hybrid does not justify the roughly $3,000 premium they face at the dealership, even with high and volatile fuel prices, analysts said.

That poses a problem for car makers including Honda Motor Co. Ltd. (7267.T: Quote, Profile, Research), Ford Motor Co. (F.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.T: Quote, Profile, Research), that have bet on broadening popularity for hybrids, including more powerful six-cylinder models and sport utility vehicles.

"What it comes down to is whether you want to pay for that premium right up front... or pay for it incrementally in the form of a different vehicle that gets a slightly lower fuel economy," CSM Worldwide analyst Mike Jackson said.

Gasoline prices across United States are nearing $3 a gallon, up from $2.23 a year ago, driven by a surge in oil prices to record highs.

Hybrid vehicles, which use both gasoline and electric power to achieve better mileage, have been touted as a way to reduce consumption of oil and to reduce exhaust emissions.

Some hybrids qualify for special car pool lanes in some states, a key benefit in traffic-clogged areas. Many also carry federal and state tax incentives.

But for most U.S. consumers, the economics still favor traditional gasoline-powered cars.

An April report by Consumer Reports concluded only two hybrids in the U.S. market offer savings over five years and 75,000 miles -- the Honda Civic and the Toyota Prius. Even then, the savings are small: $400 and $300 respectively.

Other models actually cost between $1,900 and $5,500 more to own and operate, the magazine published by Consumers Union reported. It assumed gasoline prices of $3 per gallon, rising to $4 per gallon over the five years.

'DO THE MATH'

"For there to be a major shift in the industry, prices have to go well above $3 a gallon and remain there consistently," said Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis at Power Information Network. "If you do the math it's still going to take many, many years to recoup your extra price through gas savings."

Honda has said it may cut production of its Accord hybrid after weaker-than-expected sales in its first four months on the market.

The Accord hybrid sat 90 days on average on dealer lots last month, while Ford's Escape hybrid took 61 days to sell on average. Toyota Highlander and Lexus RX400h hybrids sat on the lot for over a month, according to Power Information Network.

The two hot-selling hybrids have been the Prius, selling on average in 8 days, and the Civic hybrid, selling in 12 days, on average.

Jackson and other analysts said the Prius has been a hit because its distinctive styling immediately identifies it as a hybrid -- conferring a kind of halo effect for its drivers.

The lack of broader sales momentum has prompted some automakers to offer discounts on hybrids.

Ford is offering interest-free loans, and has underwritten a national ad campaign, featuring Kermit the Frog singing: "It is easy being green."

Ford and other automakers have a lot of investment riding on the hybrid market. Ford is planning to increase production of the gasoline-electric vehicles tenfold to 250,000 by 2010.

Toyota is targeting sales of 400,000 hybrids this year. General Motors Corp.(GM.N: Quote, Profile, Research), Nissan Motor Co.(7201.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and others all plan to introduce hybrid models in coming years.

Hybrids currently account for only about 1 percent of all U.S. light vehicle sales, a share expected to grow to only 4 percent in the next six years, according to J.D. Power.

The automakers are watching the hybrid market very closely and trying to project its longer-term growth said David Cole, chairman of research firm Center for Automotive Research.

"A fairly realistic market is beginning to emerge here," Cole said, referring to the slower sales of some hybrid models. "Some of the luster is wearing off."
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And here's why that "successful gamble" could very well be just a lot of hype.
It's still working out for Toyota, though--

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The two hot-selling hybrids have been the Prius, selling on average in 8 days . . . Toyota is targeting sales of 400,000 hybrids this year.
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Hybrids make up only 3 percent of Toyota's overall world sales, but the buzz resulting from their success has added to Toyota's public image as a trend leader . . . Toyota is expected to overtake the nearly bankrupt General Motors this year as the world's largest automaker. While GM and Ford are closing factories and losing billions of dollars annually, Toyota is expanding at a red-hot pace around the world.
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But know American people is finding out that a hybrid does not save them money for years. Most likely hybrid sales will go down not up. Unless car companies lowers their prices on hybrids and I don’t see Toyota doing that. Maybe Ford or GM or even Honda but not Toyota.
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It's still working out for Toyota, though--
Just Toyota, not the others.

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The Accord hybrid sat 90 days on average on dealer lots last month, while Ford's Escape hybrid took 61 days to sell on average. Toyota Highlander and Lexus RX400h hybrids sat on the lot for over a month, according to Power Information Network.
It's pretty obvious to me the Prius is basically a cult car. If it weren't for its unique design, they'd probably be doing about as well as those Accord hybrids.
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What is a "cult car," and why would it matter if a hot-selling car was a "cult car" or not?
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But know American people is finding out that a hybrid does not save them money for years. Most likely hybrid sales will go down not up. Unless car companies lowers their prices on hybrids and I don’t see Toyota doing that. Maybe Ford or GM or even Honda but not Toyota.

Not anymore. It IS economically a good choice to buy a hybrid now. It will pay for it self in no time if you buy the right hybrid.

Ex. The 2007 Camry is only $500 more than the same model (XLE), with same features. They are exactly the same car, but one has a 150 hp gas engine and 50 hp electric engine = 200 hp. And the XLE is a 248 hp gas engine. Every thing else is exactly the same.

So the question is for roughly the same price, would you want a camry that gets a combo of 40 mph. with 200 hp. or camry with 248 hp that gets a combo of 25-26 mph.

Even if it is not economically a good choice now, that doesnt mean it wont be a great choice later, when crude continues to spike do to geopolitical tension.

So if you have $4.00 gasoline, and drive 20k per year, (your gas cost would be 2k a year compared to 2.5k a year)
YOU WOULD EFFECTIVELY PAY FOR THE DIFFERENCE OF BUYING A CAMRY HYBRID, EXCLUDING TAX BREAKS, AFTER 1 YEAR!!!!

The one downside is that they only have one camry model available, and that one comes with a good bit of options, ex. 440 watt sound system. This hurts consumers who would have otherwise wanted a "stripped down" cost effect hybrid.z

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"Cult cars" are cars like the late-80's Miata or the late-90's new Beetle which sell a lot of cars for a few years, and then typically sales start to fall off, often dramatically. While they're selling well, people will pay premiums just to get one. Basically, they're a fad. They usually have some sort of unique or quirky design, which is a major reason why they become a fad or cult.

The Prius may or may not eventually become a fad, but IMO right now it looks like a fad, smells like a fad, and tastes like a fad, so it probably is a fad. Time will tell.

Hybrids in general could certainly become mainstream, but the Prius itself looks like a typical fad.
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...sell a lot of cars for a few years, and then typically sales start to fall off, often dramatically. While they're selling well, people will pay premiums just to get one. Basically, they're a fad. They usually have some sort of unique or quirky design, which is a major reason why they become a fad or cult.
Ah, like the new retro Ford Mustang. Gotcha.

Only time will tell if Toyota's Prius sales start to fall off, let alone fall off dramatically. With reports today that Bush has urged lawmakers to "expand tax breaks for the purchase of fuel-efficient hybrid automobiles, a politically popular measure that's also supported by environmentalists," the Prius may actually become more affordable--which would seem to be good news for sales.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060426/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
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Could very well be.

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Only time will tell if Toyota's Prius sales start to fall off, let alone fall off dramatically. With reports today that Bush has urged lawmakers to "expand tax breaks for the purchase of fuel-efficient hybrid automobiles, a politically popular measure that's also supported by environmentalists," the Prius may actually become more affordable--which would seem to be good news for sales.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060426/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
If in fact hybrids do become mainstream and become more affordable, the irony is that it will probably kill the Prius. With tons of other hybrids to choose from, the odd design of the Prius would probably wear thin after a while and people will increasingly choose some of the other, more "normal"-looking hybrid models.
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Ah, like the new retro Ford Mustang. Gotcha.

Only time will tell if Toyota's Prius sales start to fall off, let alone fall off dramatically. With reports today that Bush has urged lawmakers to "expand tax breaks for the purchase of fuel-efficient hybrid automobiles, a politically popular measure that's also supported by environmentalists," the Prius may actually become more affordable--which would seem to be good news for sales.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060426/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
Maybe but GM and ford will most likely bring out hybird cars in the next two years that will sell just as good as the Toyota Prius.
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If in fact hybrids do become mainstream and become more affordable, the irony is that it will probably kill the Prius. With tons of other hybrids to choose from, the odd design of the Prius would probably wear thin after a while and people will increasingly choose some of the other, more "normal"-looking hybrid models.
You seem to assume the continued availability of similar-priced hybrids that look no different from ordinary gas-guzzlers will matter more to buyers in the future than now. If that is your thinking, then why? Nobody who dislikes the Prius' styling need buy one to enjoy a hybrid--yet it's the top seller. Maybe that is because buyers like the styling? I know I do.

You think the Prius looks "odd"--is that kind of like "refined?"--and furthermore, you seem to assume they'll always look "odd," that either the design won't mainstream along with hybrid technology itself, or alternatively, that somehow people will never be able to get used to today's design over the coming years. If that is your thinking, then why? I'd be willing to bet money Toyota will change the Prius' design annually, and especially so if the market's tastes change. All car companies do that for all models.
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You seem to assume the continued availability of similar-priced hybrids that look no different from ordinary gas-guzzlers will matter more to buyers in the future than now. If that is your thinking, then why? Nobody who dislikes the Prius' styling need buy one to enjoy a hybrid--yet it's the top seller. Maybe that is because buyers like the styling? I know I do.
The Prius sells well now because the combination of its distinctive styling and the fact that it's a hybrid has a very strong appeal to a very specific demographic (which can also afford the higher initial cost of the car). This is the same kind of thing as when the new Beetle first came out, as well as the Miata, the new Mustang, etc.

However, that specific demographic is . . . well, it's very . . . specific. Mass-market vehicles such as the Accord, Camry, Focus, Impala, Sentra, etc etc tend to be much more conservatively designed. If the folks at Toyota want to sell a hybrid that also appeals to a larger audience, they'll have to come up with a more conservative design and lower the initial price.

I read recently that they plan on selling a hybrid Camry within the next year or two. We'll see if this does better than Honda's hybrid Accord. I suspect that much will depend on the pricing.

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No, if anything it's the opposite of "refined." It's more like . . . quirky.

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and furthermore, you seem to assume they'll always look "odd," that either the design won't mainstream along with hybrid technology itself, or alternatively, that somehow people will never be able to get used to today's design over the coming years. If that is your thinking, then why? I'd be willing to bet money Toyota will change the Prius' design annually, and especially so if the market's tastes change. All car companies do that for all models.
You are right, as I suggested above, if Toyota can make the Prius design more mainstream, and/or if they come out with other hybrid models with a more mainstream design, it's possible they can make hybrids themselves much more "mainstream." Provided, again, that they can reduce the initial premium cost somewhat. I suspect that the main reason why hybrid Accords don't sell too well is simply because of the too-high initial cost. An extra, say, $900 might be OK. But an extra $3000 is probably too much since most people aren't sure how long they'll own a car when they buy it, nor are they sure what the price of gas will be over the time period they think they might own the car.
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Only time will tell if Toyota's Prius sales start to fall off, let alone fall off dramatically. With reports today that Bush has urged lawmakers to "expand tax breaks for the purchase of fuel-efficient hybrid automobiles, a politically popular measure that's also supported by environmentalists," the Prius may actually become more affordable--which would seem to be good news for sales.

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I don't think you should compare the Toyota Prius to a Ford Mustang that has been around for 40+ years.
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DETROIT, May 10 — Fans of the Detroit Red Wings hockey team have booed plenty of opposing teams over the years at Joe Louis Arena, but last month they let loose at another traditional Detroit opponent: Toyota. What set them off was a new Toyota FJ sport utility vehicle that circled the ice during the second intermission of an April 11 game between Detroit and Edmonton.

The outburst showed how the Motor City is still having trouble adjusting to a new reality here: the Asian car companies that Detroit once vowed to vanquish have moved squarely into the front yard of the capital of American automotive dominance.

Toyota and Nissan and Hyundai of South Korea have opened gleaming technology centers and are hiring some of Detroit's most talented engineers and designers. They are also becoming more a part of the city's social fabric by supporting local charities, sponsoring teams like the Red Wings, and lending a distinctly Asian flavor to previously homogeneous suburban neighborhoods.

There are signs the city is making progress adjusting to the transition. Gone are the days when fans of the Big Three companies angrily vented their frustrations, as they did 25 years ago, by taking sledgehammers to foreign cars at special events. Nor does anyone still talk seriously, as Henry Ford II did in the 1970's, about pushing Toyota and Honda "back to the shores" of Japan.

Still, old attitudes die hard, and it does not take much for them to flare up. In a town where the United Automobile Workers union has long banned foreign cars from its lots, union members at Ford's local plants decided last winter to kick everything but Ford vehicles out of the choicest spots. Now, "non-Ford-family" cars and trucks are relegated to far-off parking spaces.

Workers at Ford, as well as G.M., have been badly shaken by their companies' slumps. The two automakers collectively plan to cut 60,000 jobs and close more than two dozen plants over the next few years. They have lost billions of dollars in North America in recent years, and their share of the market has dipped to its lowest point ever because of gains by Japanese and Korean automakers.

Just last week, for the first time, Toyota beat DaimlerChrysler in monthly car sales. It has already overtaken Ford in worldwide sales and, if current trends hold, it will overtake G.M. in the not too distant future. On Wednesday, Toyota reported a net profit of $12.1 billion for the fiscal year ended March 31, making it the most profitable manufacturing company in the world.

That may be why no less than Ford's chief executive, William Clay Ford Jr., great-grandson of the company's founder, is now warning that blind patriotism to Detroit's old ways is dangerous.

"If we are invested in that even 1 percent, we are going to lose," Mr. Ford said in an interview late last month. But he also acknowledged the difficulty in changing those attitudes.

"This is an insular industry and an insular town," he said.

Indeed, there are still signs that Detroit is trying to circle the wagons. The troubles at G.M., which lost $10.6 billion last year, have generated enormous sympathy here for the company and its embattled chief executive, Rick Wagoner, who has become something of a symbol of Detroit's fight against outside forces.

Those include the billionaire Kirk Kerkorian, the company's biggest shareholder, whose representative, Jerome B. York, has publicly pushed for change at G.M. and recently joined the company's board.

"We Almost Lost Rick!" read the headline on a story last month in Automotive News, the trade publication that covers the global industry. In it, the paper detailed how Mr. Wagoner threatened to quit if his board did not back him in the face of a media storm that declared his job to be in jeopardy. (The board did issue a statement of support.)

But statewide, the support for the homegrown companies is beginning to wane in one essential way, if ever so slightly. Five years ago, Detroit's Big Three took 90.8 percent of auto sales in Michigan, according to J. D. Power. Lately, that has slipped to 88.3 percent — compared with about 55 percent nationwide.

One reason is that the makeup of the state and especially its wealthiest areas has simply changed. Though still a fraction of the whites in the suburbs and the blacks in Detroit, the number of Asians living in the four counties surrounding Detroit has more than doubled since 1990, to over 120,000. Nearly half live in upscale Oakland County, helping to further diversify an area that includes a sizable Arab population, centered in Dearborn, where Ford has its headquarters.

The public school that Mr. Ford's son attends in Ann Arbor, home to the Toyota Technical Center, is more than 40 percent Asian, he said. Hiller's Markets, a six-store chain of upscale grocery stores across the metropolitan area, features entire refrigerator and frozen-food cases with a selection of products that rivals a Tokyo shop, including pickled plums, Japanese brands of energy drinks and fermented soybeans.

In suburbs like Novi, about 35 miles northwest of Detroit, some real estate agents do 90 percent of their business with Japanese customers. Spots in the city's English as a Second Language program, offered twice a year, fill up as soon as classes are made available.

"In an hour and a half, we're done," said Bob Steeh, director of community education for the Novi Public Schools.

One popular class features field trips to Home Depot, a funeral home and a local hospital, meant to show newcomers how life is lived differently from back home. But others stick to what they know best.

Yoko Watanabe, 50, who moved to Novi 10 years ago to join her husband, Yasue, an interpreter, edits a local Japanese business newsletter and teaches Japanese to schoolchildren and businessmen.

"My husband sometimes reprimands me for not trying to blend enough or know Americans more," she said, speaking through her husband, who interpreted for her.

The new environment traps Detroit between its traditional identity and whatever new role it may play in a global automotive world, said William Pelfrey, a former G.M. speechwriter and the author of the book, "Billy, Alfred and General Motors," about two former G.M. leaders: William C. Durant and Alfred P. Sloan.

"Clearly the old Detroit as the Motor City is history," Mr. Pelfrey said. "But the jury is still out on what Detroit is going to become."

Michigan's governor, Jennifer M. Granholm, is trying to provide one answer. Facing the loss of thousands of traditional auto jobs, and with a tough re-election race looming this fall, she is zealously competing for an engine plant that Toyota has indicated it wants to build in a Midwestern state.

Ms. Granholm, who has already visited Japan once to lobby for the factory, plans another trip soon— as does Indiana's governor, Mitch Daniels, who wants the plant for his state.

The changing complexion of the city is one reason a Detroit radio personality, Paul W. Smith, now regularly interviews executives like Carlos Ghosn of Nissan and James Press of Toyota on his morning show, long a platform for the city's auto figures.

"Anybody who is paying attention and who is making a difference is not booing Toyota and Nissan," said Mr. Smith, who has a show on the Detroit radio station WJR and occasionally sits in for Rush Limbaugh on his national show.

At his invitation, Toyota has become a sponsor of Mr. Smith's annual golf tournament benefiting Detroit's Police Athletic League — something that would have been "impossible" a decade ago, he said. Mr. Smith said he believed that the region would come through the industry's crisis, but not without some re-examination. "Things are not going to be the way they were," Mr. Smith said.

For his part, Mr. Ford does not think everything about the old Detroit needs to be discarded. Despite recent efforts by Toyota and other foreign companies, Detroit automakers still lead in backing the city's vast array of charities, he said.

What he wants to see, both for his city and for his employees, is a more realistic attitude about their place in a global industry. "I see what's happening to this world — how it's shrinking, how immigration is changing, and I think it's fascinating and invigorating," Mr. Ford said.

Instead of booing the Japanese competition, Detroiters may want to recall the counsel of Mr. Ford's great-grandfather, the original Henry Ford, who once said: "Don't find fault — find a remedy. Anybody can complain."
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What was right?
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Healdsburg, Calif.- Creating Saturn in 1983 - a clean-sheet car company with which to fight the imports - was a bold and innovative idea from General Motors Corp.

New dealers would be hand-picked for their customer satisfaction ratings and eagerness to try something different.

There would be new ideas, such as no-haggling prices.

Innovative vehicles would offer unusual features such as polymer composite body panels that shrugged off dings.

There was no subtlety in the choice of the Saturn name, which was inspired by the Saturn rocket used to send Americans to the moon.

The Saturn car company would blast free of the bureaucracy, customs and legal limitations of old General Motors. Its goal was conquest, attracting import-oriented customers who otherwise wouldn't consider a GM vehicle.

The Saturn dealers were selected by a team headed by Jill Lajdziak, who joined GM in 1980. Their work turned out to be brilliant. Saturn dealers routinely did a great job of pleasing their customers in studies conducted by J.D. Power and Associates, often rivaling luxury automakers.

But someplace along the line, GM's rocket science went awry.

In an appallingly bad series of decisions, the automaker failed to give Saturn the new, world-class vehicles it needed to thrive.

Soon Saturn's vehicles were not nearly as distinguished as its dealers, a fact top executives no longer bother to dispute.

"Saturn has only lacked a couple of things: product and more product," GM Vice President Mark LaNeve said in a speech in 2005.

Nevertheless, despite the debilitated lineup, boosted by loyal customers, the division managed to sell almost 214,000 vehicles last year, up 8 percent over 2004.

Now GM's wandering focus has returned to Saturn, and four new vehicles will be introduced this year. They are the Sky, a convertible two-seater; the Aura near-luxury sedan; the Vue Green Line hybrid and the Outlook, an eight-passenger sport utility.

One vehicle consumers won't be seeing soon is a new Ion, which the automaker was expected to build in Lordstown as early as next year. It was canceled, without any meaningful public explanation.

The person in charge of this revitalization is dealer-picker Lajdziak, who joined Saturn in 1986. Now Saturn's general manager, she appears enthusiastic about it finally fulfilling its promise.

She says Saturn will continue its core strategy of dealing honestly and fairly with customers while growing by offering exciting new vehicles.

Many of those will be designed by GM's European subsidiary Opel. They will have a unique European flair and driving dynamics that are designed to appeal to import buyers.

But with GM struggling to cut costs and the competition within the industry merciless, she is aware of the challenge.

"We are an underdog. We won America's heart in the early 1990's. We are going to win it again," she said.
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Supporting domestic companies and jobs with buying choices not as clear-cut as it was

By Jim Mateja and Rick Popely
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Published May 21, 2006

Buying a domestic car instead of an import used to be as simple as choosing vanilla over chocolate.

"Domestic" meant going to a Ford or Chevrolet dealer, while "import" buyers headed to Toyota or Honda showrooms.

But in the age of globalization, when parts and vehicles can come from anywhere, a Toyota Camry can be more American than a Ford Mustang, and a Honda Pilot can have more U.S.-made components than a Chevrolet Suburban.

Nevertheless, a group called the Level Field Institute is trying to revive "Buy American" sentiment through an advertising campaign that claims buying Japanese-brand vehicles built in the U.S. will cost American jobs because domestic automakers will further retrench.

"Made in America matters," said Jim Doyle, president of the institute, a group of retired workers from domestic manufacturers funded by Ford Motor Co. "If Americans think all cars are the same, we are more likely to lose more jobs in the U.S."

Foreign-based manufacturers like Toyota can identify models like the Camry as "domestic" cars because they meet the government yardstick of having 75 percent or more of their parts made in the U.S. or Canada.

But the Automobile Trade Policy Council, a lobbying group funded by GM, Ford and DaimlerChrysler AG, says the domestic content of all Toyota vehicles sold in the U.S.--including imported models--is 48 percent. Honda's is 59 percent and Nissan's 45 percent.

For GM and Ford, the domestic parts content is 73 percent, and for DaimlerChrysler, it's 72.

Dennis Cuneo, executive vice president of Toyota North America, says that argument ignores the fact that Japanese manufacturers built more than 3.7 million vehicles in North America last year.

"Ten years ago the debate was imports versus domestics, and now the debate is the domestic content of the vehicles," Cuneo counters. "Their idea of a level playing field is for us to make fewer cars."

While manufacturers and interest groups exchange verbal volleys over domestic content, Art Spinella, president of automotive research firm CNW Marketing Research, says consumers aren't paying attention.

Price stickers on new vehicles have been required to show the domestic parts content since 1994, and Spinella says "only about 2 percent of consumers even look at it."

To most car shoppers, a Toyota Camry built in Georgetown, Ky., is as American as a Ford Five Hundred built in Chicago. Indeed, using the government's standards, both have 80 percent domestic parts.

Sid Dechter of Hanover Park believed he was buying American when he bought his daughter, Kristine, a 2006 Toyota Camry as a graduation present.

"It's made in Kentucky so while it may have some Japanese parts, it's made in America and providing jobs in America," he said.

But on the jobs issue, Doyle still sees a major distinction between a Ford and a Toyota. Even after cutting thousands of jobs this year, Ford will employ 110,000 in the U.S., while Toyota will have around 32,000.

"So would you rather buy a Toyota built in Kentucky by a company with 32,000 jobs or a Mustang with parts made in another country, but from a company that supports 110,000 jobs in the U.S.?" Doyle asked.

Toyota's Cuneo says such thinking is misguided. He points out that Toyota, Honda and Nissan are net creators of jobs as they add manufacturing capacity in the U.S.

Honda just last week announced plans to add an assembly plant and some 1,500 jobs in the Midwest. The Big Three, on the other hand, are reducing capacity and jobs in the U.S.

"The reason for fewer workers is that we are more productive, which is good for the U.S. economy," Cuneo said. "Having people in a jobs bank getting paid for not producing isn't good for the health of any enterprise."

The "jobs bank" is a holding tank for United Auto Workers union members on long-term layoff who receive full pay and benefits for not working or for doing volunteer work.

"It drives the UAW crazy, but the fact they [foreign-owned assembly plants] can build more vehicles with fewer workers means they are much more efficient and the domestics more inefficient," said Dave Healy, an analyst with Burnham Securities.

"They say the more transplants built here, the more UAW workers lose jobs. Amen. According to GM's 10K report, their cost per hour in wages and benefits for UAW workers last year was $83 an hour. They can't live with that."

Healy also questioned the name of the group pursuing the jobs angle.

"Level field, that's a term that means some domestic company is trying to protect the field from fair competition," Healy said, alluding to Ford's support.

One aspect of the debate that is seldom analyzed is the significance of where each car company is based, and therefore where the profits go. Some would argue that the biggest difference between cars from Honda and GM is that the profit on an Accord--even one manufactured in Ohio--still goes back to Japan.

"I'm a union worker, so I stick with American vehicles," said Tom Wolfgram, an operating engineer from Lake Villa, who recently bought a Chevrolet TrailBlazer. "I want the money to stay here and be spent here so it creates even more jobs."

Cuneo, however, says the bulk of Toyota's profit stays in the U.S. to invest in new plant and equipment. He would not provide specifics.

Some analysts say as much as 60 percent of Toyota's overall operating profit and 70 percent of Honda's are derived from North America sales. Healy agrees on Honda's but believes for Toyota it's less than half.

Healy estimates that $30 billion of Toyota's $68 billion in North American sales last year were from U.S.- and Canadian-made vehicles. Moreover, as a "rough estimate," he says Toyota earned a profit of $2.4 billion in North America last year and spent the same amount on new plants, products and other investments.

"When they say they're an American company, they aren't lying," he said.

Additionally, the logic of buying a Ford or GM product because its profits stay in the U.S. isn't necessarily accurate. Because both are global companies, at any one point profits made from domestic sales could be invested in plants abroad.

As for Chrysler Group, it's based in Auburn Hills, Mich., but its DaimlerChrysler parent is based in Stuttgart, Germany, further complicating labels.

"The domestic content issue is grasping at straws. This isn't the Big Three any more. It's the Big Six," Cuneo said, referring to the growth of Toyota, Honda and Nissan in the U.S.

"All are global companies that source (parts and vehicles) in Asia, Europe, Canada or Mexico and build in the U.S."

And regardless, Spinella says, where a product is made and by whom matters little to most shoppers.

"Country of origin doesn't register with consumers," he said. "It's not that they are pro-Japanese as much as they are pro-bargain and value."

Domestic automakers pushed the legislation requiring domestic content labels as a way to inform consumers, but sometimes the information muddies the water about whether a vehicle is a domestic.

A major imported component such as an engine, transmission or drive axle can significantly lower a vehicle's domestic parts content.

For example, a seemingly red, white and blue vehicle such as the Ford Mustang has 65 percent domestic content, and the Chevy Suburban 67 percent. The Mitsubishi Eclipse is built in Normal, Ill., but the engine is made in Japan and it has 47 percent domestic parts.

That leaves some buyers, like Joe Stetina of Riverside, to make their own rules. Stetina traded a 1997 Chrysler Concorde (made in Canada) for a Toyota Matrix (also built in Canada).

His reasoning: He didn't want to buy an import.

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Ford Escape Hybrid

Not domestic, 40 percent of content from North America

Chrysler 300

Not domestic, 72 percent

Toyota Camry

Domestic, 75 percent

Honda Ridgeline

Domestic, 75 percent

Dodge Caliber

Not domestic, 70 percent

Ford Mustang

Not domestic, 65 percent

Chevy Tahoe

Not domestic, 67 percent

Mitsubishi Eclipse

Not domestic, 47 percent
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As America's perennial Red, White and Blue season kicks off this Memorial Day weekend, ailing U.S. manufacturers have a problem: "Made in the USA" doesn't have the patriotic marketing punch with consumers that it once did.
There are several reasons: Price is king, even with many shoppers who associate American goods with quality. Young adults and educated households in the global economic age have become more comfortable with imports and aren't inclined to search for U.S. products first. And the Internet has demystified foreign goods by making information about them more accessible.

Ann Khan sees it every year between Memorial Day and the Fourth of July, when shoppers come into her Old Sacramento store to purchase American flags. Her shop, Old City Kites, has Old Glory in dozens of sizes, but all are made outside the United States. Just a handful of flag manufacturers still operate here, Khan said, but their products cost up to twice the price of comparable Chinese imports.

"People care about U.S. made until they see the price tag," she said. "We can order them, but when we quote the price to a customer they always change their mind and go with the flags we have in the store."

Marketing experts say that many consumers don't have a strong emotional connection to "Made in America," so it's not surprising that shoppers are defecting to cheaper foreign products. Most don't tie their spending to lost U.S. jobs or poor labor conditions in other countries -- they're just trying to find a good deal.

"How many of us, in our own circle of connections, actually know someone who has worked in an apparel sweatshop? Or made plastic toys?" said Don Delzell, a partner at Retail Advantage, a consultant in Southern California. "(Made in America) is an obvious merchandising ploy, but it has never worked for an appreciable length of time."

U.S. consumers still tend to think highly of American-made brands, according to a survey by Synovate Global Omnibus Group, a worldwide polling firm, but those warm feelings often don't translate into cold cash purchases.

A Synovate survey of American consumers revealed that 72 percent said they "always seek out products made in the United States." The survey also gave high marks to Detroit for domestic car quality, placing U.S. cars on par with foreign brands.

"But when it comes to buying American, stated vs. actual behavior are two different things," said Thomas Mularz, a Synovate senior vice president. "People will say they value buying domestic products, then they'll go to a Toyota dealer and buy a car."

Earlier this year, Ford Motor Corp. unveiled its "Red, White and Bold" campaign, emphasizing "innovation that is formed right here in America."

Yet marketing experts think consumer loyalty to U.S. car brands is eroding in part because savvy buyers are becoming aware that globalization is blurring the line between U.S. and foreign brands.

General Motors Corp.'s cars and trucks for the U.S. market last year were made with 80 percent of the parts coming from U.S. and Canadian plants, down from 92 percent in 1997, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

About 35 percent of the parts in Ford's 2005 Mustang came from outside North America.

German-based DaimlerChrysler AG, with longtime American car roots, built its vehicles for the U.S. market last year with 75 percent of the parts from U.S. and Canadian factories, down about 4 percent from 1997.

Some Japanese cars are headed the other direction: 70 percent of the parts in Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles made in U.S. plants came from the United States or Canada, up from 52 percent in 1997.

" 'Made in America' is an integral part of the continued existence of U.S. carmakers," Delzell said. "But what are we being asked to identify with?"

The American appetite for foreign products seems insatiable. U.S. imports of goods totaled $1.67 trillion in 2005, according to federal statistics. In 1975, the last year America logged a trade surplus, the country imported just $98 billion worth of goods.

Synovate's survey found that young adults, a group entering their prime purchasing years, and educated households -- an affluent segment of the population -- generally don't look for U.S. products.

"These are consumers who are more sophisticated," Mularz said. "They're more open to buying foreign products, from electronics to cars. And they're in tune with Internet shopping, where global comparisons are just a click away."

Mularz could have been describing 21-year-olds Curtis Cherry and Anthony Varner, students at California State University, Sacramento, who were recently taking a lunch break from shopping at Westfield Galleria at Roseville.

"I already assume that just about everything comes from China or someplace else," Varner said.

"I'd be lying if I said that I look at the tag before I buy a shirt or whatever," Cherry said.

Both use the Internet to help make shopping decisions because, Cherry said, "You can get tons of information -- quick."

On the other side of the Galleria food court and two generations removed, Loomis resident Leonard Swedensky also was eating lunch.

"If I had my way, nothing would be imported, including oil," said Swedensky, an 80-year-old World War II veteran and a PG&E retiree. "This country is all screwed up."

Swedensky's generation, the baby boomers' parents who vividly remember World War II and the postwar economy, are the "strongest pocket of pro-American consumers," said Synovate's Mularz. "But they're dying off."

Ann Khan said she'll get a few of those folks in her store asking about American-made flags.

"But really, hardly anyone asks," she said. "It's not an issue for people."
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