New Hotel/Residential Tower for SA

jaga185 · #1 Posted **Feb 19, 2007, 10:49 PM**

Preliminary Plans
Parking floors 1-2
River level/Street Level - entrance lobbies, retail, back of house, courtyard
2nd floor - meeting rooms
3-8th floors - hotel rooms
9-14th floors - residential units

or the 300ft alternative!

elmariachi · #2 Posted **Feb 19, 2007, 11:50 PM**

Great find. I hope it gets built. Not like some other buildings that have come and gone.

sanantoniorocks21 · #3 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 1:13 AM**

Cool! Can't quite pinpoint the location exactly, it's a little hard to tell imo

NBTX11 · #4 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 1:29 AM**

Where is this. What is the 376' building. Trying to pinpoint exactly where this is.

BSofA04 · #5 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 1:46 AM**

Why not go bigger? There's only so much land downtown and with the push to get San Antonians to live in the city center, what gives? Show me something in the 40-50 story range!

elmariachi · #6 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 1:46 AM**

the 375' is the nix hospital. from what i can tell this is on the corner of navarro and commerce. currently there are some 2 story buildings there.

elmariachi · #7 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 1:49 AM**

my mistake. currently there is a parking lot there.

sakyle04 · #8 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 2:47 AM**

Very cool. Where did this come from?

NBTX11 · #9 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 2:57 AM**

I hope it's not the shorter version. We've got enough midrises as it is. Don't need any more of those, we need highrises, 350'+, preferably 400'+

21bl0wed · #10 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 3:51 AM**

I'll file this already under the "wont happen" catagory. I remember seeing the black/white for the 300' building that was supposed to get built near kress (like nextdoor) but it still hasn't happened...It's been around a year with no word...Or pretty close..So just how the details on this are so vague...How are there models of the building, without knowing what companies are involved? Where is the info? Idk i've been let down too many times. Im not trying to be a pessimist just a realist.

alexjon · #11 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 4:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by 21bl0wed

I'll file this already under the "wont happen" catagory. I remember seeing the black/white for the 300' building that was supposed to get built near kress (like nextdoor) but it still hasn't happened...It's been around a year with no word...Or pretty close..So just how the details on this are so vague...How are there models of the building, without knowing what companies are involved? Where is the info? Idk i've been let down too many times. Im not trying to be a pessimist just a realist.

A realist?

Do you know how long it takes for a building like that to get built?

SAguy · #12 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 4:27 AM**

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21bl0wed
I'll file this already under the "wont happen" catagory. I remember seeing the black/white for the 300' building that was supposed to get built near kress (like nextdoor) but it still hasn't happened...It's been around a year with no word...

The Condo building you are referring to is still under review.

21bl0wed · #13 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 5:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by alexjon

A realist?

Do you know how long it takes for a building like that to get built?

IN SA terms or in terms of a major city? I know a 300' building isn't going to get much attention and start construction rather quickly in any large city. SA is unique so maybe i was being unrealistic and forgot to think in SA terms...I know a 300' building in austin dallas or houston isn't going to be "under" review for a year...But hey..I guess it has to do with the art-deco preservation of the kress building look thing..Since this building isn't the same and is hopefully not having to keep a certain look to "preserve" its surroundings maybe we can hear from it sooner than later.

jaga185 · #14 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 5:24 AM**

This is a complete new structure other than the Kress building, and its tower. The applicant is 3D/I - Andres Andujar. The residential part of the proposal is optional, so in all reality this could really only be 198ft to the roof and 220ft to the mech box. The address is 245 East Commerce Street.

kornbread · #15 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 5:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by 21bl0wed

...I know a 300' building in austin dallas or houston isn't going to be "under" review for a year...But hey..I guess it has to do with the art-deco preservation of the kress building look thing..Since this building isn't the same and is hopefully not having to keep a certain look to "preserve" its surroundings maybe we can hear from it sooner than later.

No, it most likely has to do with the market, financing or committments. When you're dealing with millions of dollars on a project like this, it could take a little extra work to get all the pieces together...in any city.

The project in this thread is on the lot where the old Planet Hollywood died, next to the Watermark hotel. This space is definately underutilized

Complex01 · #16 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 3:53 AM**

OKay were is this project. Is this the Kress building, or a totally different building/location. Was there any copy to go along....

tmathis · #17 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 5:16 AM**

Any guesses as to who will be the hotel tenant?

tmathis · #18 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 6:18 AM**

21bl0wed, real estate development does not work like that. It is never wam-bam-thank you ma\'am.

21bl0wed · #19 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by tmathis

21bl0wed, real estate development does not work like that. It is never wam-bam-thank you ma\'am.

IN SA it hasn't. I just know that a 300' in any other large city isn't going to raise much of an eyebrow and have as much scrutiny. I know thats only an SA thing...So a 300' building proposed here would generally take a lot longer to get underway over a 300' building proposed in some other city like...Dallas or Houston for instance....Right?...Who knows i may be dead wrong and maybe 300' buildings even in chicago take over a year most of the time to get off the ground! lol...Anyway I hope this gets built...With the NIX so close...it would look nice.

I just wish taller buildings in SA could go up as easily as...say...Staybridge went up...And how quickly Vistana started construction...I mean come on why didn't those take so long to get underway?

michobq · #20 Posted **Feb 20, 2007, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by 21bl0wed

IN SA it hasn't. I just know that a 300' in any other large city isn't going to raise much of an eyebrow and have as much scrutiny. I know thats only an SA thing...So a 300' building proposed here would generally take a lot longer to get underway over a 300' building proposed in some other city like...Dallas or Houston for instance....Right?...Who knows i may be dead wrong and maybe 300' buildings even in chicago take over a year most of the time to get off the ground! lol...Anyway I hope this gets built...With the NIX so close...it would look nice.

I just wish taller buildings in SA could go up as easily as...say...Staybridge went up...And how quickly Vistana started construction...I mean come on why didn't those take so long to get underway?

The reason buildings like the Staybridge and the Vistana are going up so fast is because they are not in the RIO district, which has height restrictions if buildings block light into the riverwalk corridor. If you look at the hdrc review committee agenda pdf, you will see the designs are presented with how the building's shadow will cast at summer and winter solstice. Not only do buildings in SA have to get pass the hdrc, but they might have to get the zoning changed and then ultimately, city council approval.

Cities, like Houston, that don't have any zoning restrictions can approve buildings much quicker. I am not sure about Dallas or Austin, but I know that thier restrictions in historic districts are not as stringent as San Antonio. We have the Riverwalk and the Alamo, which have caused a lot of buildings to be scaled down or not been built because of viewshed or shadow restrictions.