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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 2:25 PM
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Shiro has pretty much nailed the essence of this discussion that started with a question on whether Atlanta would reach the significance of Chicago, LA or NYC. Then, like many entries in SP it blossomed into a full city vs. city discussion with no holds barred and winding up with Amsterdam in the mix. Of course, since all future history is speculative, in the long run Atlanta could overtake all these cities. But, in any case, it will be a very long run. Barring natural or man made disasters, NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo will be powerful global cities in 2100. Where Atlanta will be is at best vague. It depends on what scenarios you particularly like. For example, if the worst predictions on climate change occur and sea levels rise significantly, Florida will be mostly underwater, NYC will have to have built a major sea wall, and other US coastal cities will be heavily impacted. Where do these affected populations go?
To higher ground and there is Atlanta at 300 meters. All the past glory of seacoast cities will be part of the history of other departed great cities.

There is little doubt that Atlanta is already an important global city by most rankings, but it is not in the same league as NYC, LA, Chicago or the Randstad at this time nor in the near future.
     
     
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For the first 2 centuries of its existence, New York was just a humble port town of little significance.

Any city at any time can sprout if the conditions demand it.

I think the next great city will be on Mars
     
     
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In defense of Atlanta. It is the scene of one bitchin' zombie apocalypse.

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Chicago has globally significant architecture (birthplace of the skyscraper and home of masterpieces like the carbon and carbide building), music (blues and the mighty Chicago orchestra), art museums, great food and drink, great neighborhoods, world-class universities.

Can’t believe we are reducing Chicago’s cultural offerings to deep dish pizza.
Fuck all that other crap. Chicago gave us Al Bundy and Mike Ditka.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 3:06 PM
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Amsterdam cannot compete with this.

It's a documentary about a typical Thanksgiving in Chicago.

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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 3:24 PM
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Ditka versus a hurricane? Ditka!!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 3:30 PM
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but what if the hurricane's name is "Hurricane Ditka"?


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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 4:33 PM
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For the first 2 centuries of its existence, New York was just a humble port town of little significance.

Any city at any time can sprout if the conditions demand it.

I think the next great city will be on Mars
Come on, New York had potential from the get go. It was the first capital of the United States. The British and Dutch wouldn't have fought over something supposedly so insignificant.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 5:11 PM
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My favorite movie is Planes, Trains and Automobiles (1987)
Chicago 1 Amsterdam 0

Granted theres about 20 minutes actually in Chicago but it's all about getting back to Chicago across the midwest. (im actually trying to sort of do the reverse thing right now)

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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 6:27 PM
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Come on, New York had potential from the get go. It was the first capital of the United States. The British and Dutch wouldn't have fought over something supposedly so insignificant.
Obviously it had potential, I'm not disputing that. But still, a lot has to fall in place for a city to become great
     
     
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Actually the Dutch willingly unloaded New Amsterdam in return for Suriname which was far more valuable to them at the time.
     
     
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Actually the Dutch willingly unloaded New Amsterdam in return for Suriname which was far more valuable to them at the time.

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welllllll, that's awesome

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Can’t believe we are reducing Chicago’s cultural offerings to deep dish pizza.
Perish the thought. I've had great sauerbraten at the Berghoff.
     
     
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I've had great sauerbraten at the Berghoff.
yes, the Berghoff has great sauerbraten.

but my personal favorite sauerbraten in chicago is at Laschet's Inn up on Irving in St. Ben's.

and the best sauerbraten i have ever eaten was at Karl Ratzsch's up in Milwaukee (now sadly closed ).



full disclosure: shamefully, i have never been to germany. as north america's #1 sauerbraten fan, i must rectify that.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 10:18 PM
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This thread reminds me why I still come back to skyscraperpage no matter what.

Who or what people have these discussions? Who the hell knows this much about so much in relation to cities, economies, histories, etc, all in one?

Really impressive. Lets keep it going
     
     
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"Packed like Sardines" is quite the exaggeration. Maybe by Michigan standards, it is.

Yes, progress is slowly being made with Detroit becoming a normal city. However, compared to other major cities in America (or even cities like Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Nashville, etc.), downtown Detroit is still fairly empty on a typical day and has a long way to go before it's "packed like sardines."
No, it's not an exaggeration, on this particular weekend it is literally, not figuratively packed like sardines.


http://detroit.carpediem.cd/events/5...-martius-park/

A typical day looks like this, there are always plenty of people


https://www.flickr.com/photos/michig...es/19334192761

Downtown streets are rarely empty. What are the sunbelt standards? do tell.
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Might I add that tourism does wonders for day time population and vibrancy of certain neighborhoods.

Local population is always nice, but if a city is seeing big tourist #'s (international or domestic) on a daily basis or even around certain months, it adds a lot to the city.

In terms of the OP question, day time population is one thing. Places like Chicago, NY, and LA can have a big amount of folks depending on where your at.

Things like events, and holidays add to the big city feel as crowds and congestion hit the area. Street life, in a big or small city, if vibrant enough, can give the illusion of being in a much, much bigger place.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2017, 1:28 AM
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Looks like I created a bit of a shit storm. I thought my remark about size not being everything was inconsequential. I was wrong.

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Old Posted Nov 18, 2017, 6:45 AM
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No, it's not an exaggeration, on this particular weekend it is literally, not figuratively packed like sardines.


http://detroit.carpediem.cd/events/5...-martius-park/

A typical day looks like this, there are always plenty of people


https://www.flickr.com/photos/michig...es/19334192761
The poster you responded you said "outside of special events" (a Christmas Tree lighting *IS* a "special event"). Did you not read what they wrote?

As far as the 2nd picture, again, that's not "packed like sardines." That's how a normal downtown park *SHOULD* look.

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