noirish Los Angeles

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by odinthor

My mother, aunt, and uncle visited L.A. some time in--if I'm not mistaken--the 1930s.

24th and Juliet

ODINTHOR Collection

Great looking group. (& your Mom is cute as a button)

Is that a thin wire running up that short 'pillar' (for lack of a better word) over on the right----->
___



OK, I just zoomed in....I think it's a crack.


detail / (crack is whack)
_____





Oh, and here's the neighboring house across 24th St. facing Juliet.


GSV

Note the interesting corner bay-windows on the second floor

You can see them in this odinthor pic as well.


ODINTHOR Collection

It's too bad that massive palm is gone.

-I just noticed the interesting looking tree next to the house is gone as well. What kind of tree is that? (it looks like something you'd find on the Sinai Peninsula)

(and remind me again, who's the good looking dude in the glasses?)

__

[ethereal_reality]

I'll end tonight's blogging with an ugly 'mystery' location.

This is another slide taken in Santa Monica in the 1980s.


EBAY

Any guesses?

(oh..and thanks for locating the mystery street-corner FROM last night Hoss.
Do you think that clock on the roof was an original feature that they reproduced...
or just something they added out of the blue?

So many mysteries so little time.

Goodnight noirishers

[Flyingwedge]

Rolling Hills Herald, October 22, 1948:





CDNC


May 2017, SE corner of 87th Street and Sepulveda Eastway; the Mademoiselle building is now the Triangle Cleaners:



GSV

[John Maddox Roberts]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

24th and Juliet

ODINTHOR Collection

Great looking group. (& your Mom is cute as a button)

Is that a thin wire running up that short 'pillar' (for lack of a better word) over on the right----->
___



OK, I just zoomed in....I think it's a crack.


detail / (crack is whack)
_____





Oh, and here's the neighboring house across 24th St. facing Juliet.


GSV

Note the interesting corner bay-windows on the second floor

You can see them in this odinthor pic as well.


ODINTHOR Collection

It's too bad that massive palm is gone.

-I just noticed the interesting looking tree next to the house is gone as well. What kind of tree is that? (it looks like something you'd find on the Sinai Peninsula)

(and remind me again, who's the good looking dude in the glasses?)

__

The dude? Who's that babe in the stylish hat?

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

I also found that the Crescent Bay Yacht Club was just south of the Gables Beach Club:

_LINK

Why is is so easy to find pictures of the Gables Beach Club, but perfectly impossible to find even a single photo of the Crescent Bay Yacht Club???

What a great callout graphic you made!

Your 1926 article mentions "the coming breakwater project." The only breakwater for yachts around that area and
time that I can think of was on the north side of the Santa Monica Pier, and from what I've read it was built in 1934.
Did the Crescent Bay YC exist until then? Was there another breakwater used by yachts that I've forgotten about?
Maybe the name of the club was changed before 1934 because the members had no place to anchor their yachts?

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

24th and Juliet

ODINTHOR Collection

Great looking group. (& your Mom is cute as a button)

Thanks! That would have gotten an appreciative smile from her...

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Is that a thin wire running up that short 'pillar' (for lack of a better word) over on the right----->
___



OK, I just zoomed in....I think it's a crack.

Either that, or the electrician had had a few too many for lunch that day (hic) . . .

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

detail / (crack is whack)
_____





Oh, and here's the neighboring house across 24th St. facing Juliet.


GSV

Note the interesting corner bay-windows on the second floor

You can see them in this odinthor pic as well.


ODINTHOR Collection

It's too bad that massive palm is gone.

Absolutely. It was a pretty good size for that kind of palm (Phoenix canariensis) in the 1930s. They're slow-growing, and if memory serves, they were introduced into California in the 1870s (I wasn't actually there in the 1870s. I was visiting a friend overseas). So either it managed to get planted there quite early after introduction (why there?), or someone paid a lot of denaro to have an old one moved, or for some reason the tree was very happy and grew unusually quickly.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

-I just noticed the interesting looking tree next to the house is gone as well. What kind of tree is that? (it looks like something you'd find on the Sinai Peninsula)

Well done, e_r--you're thinking Acacia. Dagnabit, though, I can't get a good enough look at its leaves etc. to give a more specific answer.[/quote]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

(and remind me again, who's the good looking dude in the glasses?)

You're making my family very happy: That's my Uncle Lloyd. So you see three of five siblings: My mother, aunt, and uncle. My other two uncles were too young to be traveling out to wicked So Cal, and were back on the farm in Nebraska. Likely further pix from this trip sent back home are scattered among all my cousins.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts

The dude? Who's that babe in the stylish hat?

The touch of vanity that runs in my family is having a good day today... My mother enjoyed turning heads. And so do I.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

[...] Look at the 1940s print on the curtains....so cool! ( they're stylized leaves....odinthor?) [...]

I agree, e_r: Yes, very cool, and I think they'd look contemporary and "in" these days. I'm sure I've seen that pattern before...so it must be good . . . If they're based on anything real, it might be tobacco leaves.

[sadykadie2]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

Forgive me if this is a stupid question - I searched this thread and read five pages of search results for “negro”, and one page of search results for, um… “n-word”… and I didn’t find an answer.

I understand that the tallest pole, almost dead-center in the photo, is some kind of early lighting fixture…


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/3704/rec/1

…but I couldn’t find any answer to what these two, shorter poles are:



Obviously, they look like telephone poles, but if there are any wires running between them I can’t make them out. Additionally, one has five crossbeams, while the other has only four, which seems odd.

The Huntington says that the photo was taken in 1882.

This website says:


Assuming that the photo is correctly dated, are these the first telephone poles in Los Angeles? And if not, what the devil are they?

My husband was a lineman and says they are telegraph poles

[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

What a great callout graphic you made!

Your 1926 article mentions "the coming breakwater project." The only breakwater for yachts around that area and
time that I can think of was on the north side of the Santa Monica Pier, and from what I've read it was built in 1934.
Did the Crescent Bay YC exist until then? Was there another breakwater used by yachts that I've forgotten about?
Maybe the name of the club was changed before 1934 because the members had no place to anchor their yachts?

Glad you like the graphic, Flyingwedge!

Sadly, I know nothing about the breakwater situation, but the latest reference to the Crescent Bay Yacht Club that I could find appears in the Evening Outlook newspaper dated March 23, 1931. LINK

There may be later references, but heck if I can be sure - that Santa Monica Public Library archive is an absolute nightmare to navigate through!

(Only un-hide this next section if you want to see me ranting like a madman about how crummy the SMPL website is!)

You specify that you are searching for an EXACT PHRASE (like “crescent bay”), then it links you to 3,679 pages of search results that contain BOTH “crescent” AND “bay”, but NOT “crescent bay” - so you have to keep going back and trying again, endlessly clicking on “exact phrase” until it finally “sticks”. Or you try to search for “crescent” and the search results say “You searched for ‘crescent’ and ‘crescent’ and ‘crescent’ and ‘crescent’ and…”, repeated 16 times. Or you specifically do a “NEW” search, and once you get your results, you find that it has MAGICALLY inserted some word you used in a previous search into your present search. And then there are the zoomable images, where the image doesn’t redraw once you zoom in, forcing you to keep zooming in and out, over and over again, just trying to force the image to redraw. And then there are the links, where if you copy them from your browser's address bar and paste them here, the link takes you to a TOTALLY DIFFERENT page than the one you linked to - you have to un-hide a section of the page to find the “link to this page” link to get it to work properly… what a nightmare! It really makes you appreciate how great a website like the USC Digital Library is, which works every time!

Originally Posted by sadykadie2

My husband was a lineman and says they are telegraph poles

Interesting, sadykadie2! Your husband my well be right - a telegraph would certainly seem to be more likely to appear in 1882 than a telephone line.

[oldstuff]

[QUOTE=Scott Charles;8093063]Thanks, ER - I’m really glad you like the photo!

I’m no expert sleuth like the rest of you folks here, but after I posted that photo the other day, I decided to try my best to find out ANYTHING about the Crescent Bay Yacht Club (I mean, Google literally has NOTHING on it).

While you were working on the yacht club, I saw a small column at the top of the page which mentioned an aviator, Leo Nomis, who had been found wandering in Death Valley. Since backstories on people is what I do, I checked on him and found that he was born in Iowa in 1889, served as a pilot in WWI and then stayed in the Los Angeles area after the war. His obituary lists him as a movie stunt pilot and in a 1921 directory he is listed as a "photoplayer". There is a fairly impressive list of movies he worked on.

More research shows that he was a flying instructor for Pancho Barnes among others. He was a charter member of Barnes' Stunt Pilots Union.

He is found at Clover Field (Santa Monica) in 1928 and a residence listed for him in 1930 is 6213 Airy Way. This is in the Hollywood Hills. That house appears to be still there, although large amounts of shrubbery conceal it from the street.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

Forgive me if this is a stupid question - I searched this thread and read five pages of search results for “negro”, and one page of search results for, um… “n-word”… and I didn’t find an answer.

I understand that the tallest pole, almost dead-center in the photo, is some kind of early lighting fixture…


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/3704/rec/1

…but I couldn’t find any answer to what these two, shorter poles are:



Obviously, they look like telephone poles, but if there are any wires running between them I can’t make them out. Additionally, one has five crossbeams, while the other has only four, which seems odd.

The Huntington says that the photo was taken in 1882.

This website says:


Assuming that the photo is correctly dated, are these the first telephone poles in Los Angeles? And if not, what the devil are they?

Coincidentally, as I work on a project that, um, I'm working on, I just ran across in my notes the following description of an 1855 property on Calle de los Negros, and thought it might be of interest to NLA:

July 7, 1855, published (Los Angeles Star): “A Desirable House for sale. The undersigned offers for sale his large and commodious House situated on the Calle de los Negros. Fronting on the street is a large saloon with a good bar and an excellent Billiard Table, and is considered one of the best stands in this city; adjoining is another large room furnished with counter, shelves and other fixtures, proper or convenient for a Store or Tavern all in good condition, and in good repair. In the interior is three sleeping rooms and a saloon, all floored with lumber; also a kitchen and a cellar and a fine corridor on the inside. The lot extends to Alameda street and has a zanja of water constantly running through the premises. Purchasers wishing to make a bargain will please call on the undersigned, where they can see the premises and learn its price. The sale to be in all cases for cash. Jose Vicente Guerrero.”

If it's the same lot which he had three years later, and which was to be auctioned by the Sheriff or non-payment of taxes, the starting bid for it for the auction was to be $2500 (Los Angeles Star, March 6, 1858). I should add that many of these to-be-auctioned properties were redeemed by their owners before they went under the hammer.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Hoss, do you know if Mr. Schulman took any color photographs of Milliron's Terrace Restaurant? I'd love to know the color motif.
Whoa, I just noticed those striped chairs. I'm guessing the motif was Green and a Cream color

I don't remember finding any color Shulman images of Milliron's. If there are color images, and I leave them out, I normally mention it.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

(oh..and thanks for locating the mystery street-corner FROM last night Hoss.
Do you think that clock on the roof was an original feature that they reproduced...
or just something they added out of the blue?

I've looked through dozens of aerial photos of the area around 101 Broadway to try and figure out the provenance of the clock. I think I can see the building on a 1928 aerial at UCSB, and there's no sign of the clock. As far as I can tell, the clock was added sometime in the '90s as a new feature.

So far, I've had no luck finding last night's mystery location .

[August-Marathon]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I'll end tonight's blogging with an ugly 'mystery' location.

This is another slide taken in Santa Monica in the 1980s.


EBAY

Any guesses?

(oh..and thanks for locating the mystery street-corner FROM last night Hoss.
Do you think that clock on the roof was an original feature that they reproduced...
or just something they added out of the blue?

So many mysteries so little time.

Goodnight noirishers

E R - Just an observation, the vehicle license plates in the above mystery photo appear to have a light green background with white letters & numbers. Plates are possibly Baja California border zone issue, circa 1984-1985.

Plate reference source: www.worldlicenseplates.com >>> Mexico, Baja California, Border Zone Passenger/Private

[August-Marathon]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Even though my last 'mystery' post hit a big sour note, I'm going to try one more time.



This slide was taken by the same amateur photographer that took the Surfridge/'Santa Monica' slides.


ssilberman / flickr

Does anyone, by chance, recognize this rather intriguing building?

[there is no information; other than it was taken sometime between 1946 and 1951]

E R - Forgive me if this was answered earlier, the 'mystery' photo you posted January 31, 2018 is the Malaga Cove Library at 2400 Via Campesina, Palos Verdes Estates, CA. The stone work and terraced fountain at this location is worth seeing in person.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks so much August-Marathon. We didn't have an answer....until now!

[ethereal_reality]

If you don't mind, I'd like to briefly return to Jack Dempsey's house at 2415 S. Western Ave.


PARADISE LEASED

While researching Dempsey's house a few days ago, Steve Vaught had said:

"By the time Dempsey had decamped Western Avenue, the area’s character had changed dramatically
and the grand homes that did not fall to the wrecker’s ball found a new life in institutional use.
Dempsey’s home was no exception, becoming the Paradise Sanitarium for a number of years."

I thought perhaps he had confused the Dempsey home with the neighboring Mount Saint John of God Novitiate, Hospital and Sanitarium.

Lo and behold, Mr. Vaught was correct. [as shown below in the city directory]

LAPL............................................Flyingwedge / 1921 Sanborn map detail

There is almost no information on the Paradise Sanitarium. I only found one reference.....

and that was Alice Lake

pinterest / page wouldn't link




Mack Sennett Fun Factory

The Sanitarium was torn down the next year. (1968)
__




sidenote:

This is the photograph on Alice Lake's WIKIPEDIA



I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure this is a different Alice. I believe this is Alice Terry.
Alice Lake was a brunette. (of course she could be wearing a wig in the photo) but I don't think so.

[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' photo.

Is this really Los Angeles?


FUCKYEAHVINTAGE

"A woman standing by malt shop. Los Angeles, 1967 © William G. Gedney"

To me, it feels like a different city. (I'm not quite sure why )

[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' location #2,

Roscoe Arbuckle, Alice Lake and Buster Keaton, candid photo [ca.1918]


valentinovamp

I was going to say Bernheimer Japanese Gardens, but the building on the right doesn't fit the scene.

__

[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'mystery' location #2,

Roscoe Arbuckle, Alice Lake and Buster Keaton, candid photo [ca.1918]


valentinovamp

I was going to say Bernheimer Japanese Gardens, but the building on the right doesn't fit the scene.

__

I was thinking it might be the Keaton Studios, as Buster shot so many of his films there. I did some Googling, and came across this quote:

According to research by John Bengston this photo was taken in the Metro lot directly across from Buster Keaton Studio - Buster with Roscoe Arbuckle and Alice Lake in his costume for Daydreams(sic) which Arbuckle may have partially directed.

Though I have been unable to find where Mr. Bengston made this statement, it would seem correct to me. The pyramid-shaped roof in the Buster photo seems very similar to the pyramid-shaped roof of the Metro Pictures Studios:


http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...+)_Page_1.html

In the following photograph, the Buster Keaton Studio is in blue and the Metro Pictures Studio is in red.

Link to full-sized original on silentlocations.com

Since the roof in the Buster photo seems to come to an end in the middle of the photo (as opposed to turning into an L shaped corner), that would seem to mean that the photo could only have been taken at the far right side of the Metro Studio building.



I wish I were 100% sure, but it all seems to fit reasonably well…