Surrey Langley Skytrain - Expo Line Extension | Proposed - Page 238

CanSpice · #**4741** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 4:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

The employment density around Fraser Highway to Langley City is not really significant at all on a regional level, KGB to Newton is far better.

Please compare and contrast the employment (and population) density along the current Expo Line between Vancouver and New Westminster in 1986 with the employment (and population) density around Fraser Highway to Langley City today.

Migrant_Coconut · #**4742** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 5:01 AM**

^ This. Once again, most of Burnaby and New West was suburbia until SkyTrain came along - much of the area still is. Transit shapes density just as much as density shapes transit... why does it apply to Guildford-Newton, but not Langley?

Bdawe · #**4743** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 1:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

Please compare and contrast the employment (and population) density along the current Expo Line between Vancouver and New Westminster in 1986 with the employment (and population) density around Fraser Highway to Langley City today.

for reference

https://twitter.com/LGeospatial/stat...06770250612736

Reecemartin · #**4744** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 3:36 PM**

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CanSpice · #**4746** Posted **Mar 14, 2018, 4:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Because the vast majority of housing in Langley is being developed in Willoughby away from Fraser Highway. Langley city is relatively small population wise vs. the Township. To service more of Langleys population you need to either go further South to Brookswood, or farther North to Willoughby.

You said "Fraser Highway to Langley" which includes huge swaths of Surrey that are being rapidly built up. Pretty much everything along Fraser except between 168th and just up the hill from 176th are blowing up at a tremendous rate. It would also unlock Cloverdale, making it 10 to 16 blocks away from the SkyTrain line. Focussing on the end point of this line completely ignores all of that.

jsbertram · #**4747** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 2:10 AM**

http://forgotten-ny.com/2005/09/sunnyside-queens/

queens, ny just after the subway viaduct was completed though miles of pasture

now they are complaining its too crowded

the expo extension to langley should take up less ground space than this, but likely in 100 years people will be complaining about it being under-built too

Migrant_Coconut · #**4748** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 4:58 AM**

Really, we've had this exact same argument before:

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- “You and your children’s children will be paying for this project for decades,” Burnaby Mayor Derek Corrigan said to a crowd during the final meeting in 2004, emphasizing that 100,000 riders per day is unrealistic, according to the Vancouver Sun.
- “There is no rational reason why we should risk the entire public-transit system – 80 percent of which is buses – on an expenditure where there is dubious assurance that the ridership will arrive,” Vancouver City Councillor David Cadman told the Straight in 2004.
- “If people were going to move in those numbers, you would have seen them on the 98 B-Line,” Pitt Meadows Mayor Don MacLean told the Straight in 2004. “It didn’t happen.”

And now, fourteen years later, people complain that the Canada Line is too small and soon to be useless. Perhaps this time around, we can break the cycle?

Reecemartin · #**4749** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 2:06 PM**

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Migrant_Coconut · #**4750** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 6:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

The Canada Line and the Langley Part of a rail extension really couldn't be less similar.

A) Again, don't obsess too much on Langley. Whalley, Fleetwood and Cloverdale are part of the catchment area too.

B) Not sure if you were around back then, but I can guarantee you that pre-SkyTrain, pre-development Cambie and Richmond were the exact same kind of low-density sprawl as Fraser Highway is now.

Trainguy · #**4751** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 8:00 PM**

"Hepner said she is optimistic the federal and provincial governments will soon strike a funding agreement for the construction of Surrey's proposed Light Rail Transit (LRT) system."

"I am confident that hopefully by the end of this month we will have something concrete to say to everyone that we finally closed that gap," Hepner said.

hhhmmm let's see.. it's the Ides of March (15th) and Hep wants to make an announcement by the end of the month?? what? in 2019?

I guess we will find out in 16 days...

Sheba · #**4752** Posted **Mar 15, 2018, 8:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

hhhmmm let's see.. it's the Ides of March (15th) and Hep wants to make an announcement by the end of the month?? what? in 2019?

I guess we will find out in 16 days...

Beware the Ides of March - Surrey's LRT plans may be in grave danger!

Firebrand · #**4753** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 2:18 AM**

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Beware the Ides of March - Surrey's LRT plans may be in grave danger!

...or the NDP flipping the bird to Langley by putting a Fraser Hwy LRT.

Firebrand · #**4754** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 2:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

"Hepner said she is optimistic the federal and provincial governments will soon strike a funding agreement for the construction of Surrey's proposed Light Rail Transit (LRT) system."

"I am confident that hopefully by the end of this month we will have something concrete to say to everyone that we finally closed that gap," Hepner said.

hhhmmm let's see.. it's the Ides of March (15th) and Hep wants to make an announcement by the end of the month?? what? in 2019?

I guess we will find out in 16 days...

What source is it from? Can you give me a link?

dcman72 · #**4755** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 3:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

What source is it from? Can you give me a link?

I read this the other day, Surrey mayor still hopeful LRT deal will be reached by the end of the month, I think this is what Trainguy is referring to. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

Reecemartin · #**4756** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 4:01 AM**

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Trainguy · #**4757** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 10:03 PM**

It's a sad day for Surrey and users of 104th ave. Everyone in the region who owns property will be paying for the Surrey vanity project. Let's hope the government gets it right when talk of phase 3 starts to get serious. LRT down Fraser Hwy would be a huge mistake.

104th user and Surrey Resident

ilikeredheads · #**4758** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

It's a sad day for Surrey and users of 104th ave. Everyone in the region who owns property will be paying for the Surrey vanity project. Let's hope the government gets it right when talk of phase 3 starts to get serious. LRT down Fraser Hwy would be a huge mistake.

104th user and Surrey Resident

don't worry my friend!! As my buddy Lyle Lanley would say,
It glides as softly as a cloud!
The track will never bend, lifetime guarantee!
Everyone will get cushy jobs!!!
Pen knives for everyone!!

Reecemartin · #**4759** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 11:28 PM**

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Aroundtheworld · #**4760** Posted **Mar 16, 2018, 11:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Frankly I'm quite excited about the LRT. However for the people that oppose it I guess we can see who was right in a few years. I seriously think people will change driving patterns and while of course there will be the odd bug LRT will be successful. At least there can be unanimous excitement over broadway.

I'm not against LRT in principle. I think it has been done well in other cities. What doesn't work for me is the massive opportunity cost needed to build something that will be nice but not very efficient. I would've preferred if they had gone with a BRT solution for the L line.

I think what irks most people is the non-sensical proposal to make the line to Langley Light Rail. It appears that decision is being motivated by Surrey's selfish interests to the detriment of potential passengers and overall transportation goals.