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Old Posted Apr 9, 2007, 9:24 PM
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graffiti is a part of urban life... you'd be an idiot to think you can stop it.

and in mondragon's case, it adds character to the building. if the owners wanted it gone, they would deal with it... this has been debated before.

might as well move out to melita if you need to shield your eyes from graffiti.
You realise that removing grafitti costs quite a bit of money, right?
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2007, 9:27 PM
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^^Spilling over into a rejuvinated Market Square, yes.

Grafitti does not make the cities you listed as "cool". Given the sheer size and number of buildings in those cities, it is not possible for them to be grafitti-free; snot-nose little punks suck...those who pretend they are something they are not--hmmm, maybe that is why you were beaten up along Osborne because of your attitude, Biguc?
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^^Whatever that means
some one who got band thats on skyscrapercity.com forums now that does not get along with biguc
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2007, 10:45 PM
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So anyone who disagrees with him is called "Winnipegpatriot"? Kind of like when a girl sleeps around she's called a slut? I see...okaaay...I think we need a shrink here...one who is up for a challenge-LOL

Anyhoo, I would not be upset if Albert was transformed into a pedestrian only area, but I see no real purpose. Again, Centreventure is planning on (hopefully soon) transforming Market Square, and that is sufficient for the masses.
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2007, 11:34 PM
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Um, no. You actually are WinnipegPatriot. And Phoenix. And kwhy. and Stealth. And so on.

You've been banned from this site at least half a dozen times. Find a new hobby, dude.

And for the record, you're the one who flipped his wig over an aesthetic disagreement--like always. Your characteristic inability to maintain any sense of decorum is a dead giveaway. In any case, I'm not going to justify myself to a grown man who goes on a message board and acts like a child.
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2007, 11:38 PM
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biguc who gives a rats ass if it realy is wp for all ya know it could be someone els in witch case what a way to welcome a new forumer.......
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2007, 1:16 AM
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I think we're talking past each other when we use 'success'. As far as crowds of people go, you might be right. Albert street, though, has several successful businesses along it. The stretch discussed in the article, in particular, is doing fairly well is this respect.

Since you mention crowds of people, though, I don't really think Albert Street is long enough to generate crowds of pedestrians. Especially not a one block stretch.
The prime reason that Albert Street may be a success, is its realation to P&M. If a few hundred have ther lunch and perhaps a few drinks after work, it may create enough demand to attract further retail and restaurants into the area. As it is now .. this isn't what I would consider an modest attraction to the white collar folk.

This may become irrelivent if Waterfront Drive turns into a retail strip of this nature. I don't think downtown Winnipeg could support more than one of these at this point. Perhaps after the first is established a second could begin, but that is getting way ahead of where I want to focus, which is we need something to keep people downtown after work.
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It all comes down to critical mass. There are still many under-utilized spaces in the Exchange, and they need to be converted to residential. I get pissed off everytime I walk or drive by the Ryan Block. Such prime location wasted, with no hint of redevelopment.
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Success on this forum is measured by the number of flashy renderings and impressive figures ($30-M...; 20,000 square feet... 200 units... three blocks...), regardless of how adverse or tacky the outcome is. Yes, the day-to-day street life on Albert Street pales in comparison to those of great cities, but can you think of any better local examples downtown?
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It is a fine area indeed, but there is much room for improvement. I hope to see some plans for a rejuvinated Market square soon. The city also needs to enforce its derilect buildings bylaw; just because the Reiss Family covered the windows on the Ryan Block and painted the boards red, they technically "show" that they are maintaining the structure; this is stupid. The city needs to force them to either develop it or the city should seize it; prior, being Mr. Nice City by allowing these buildings to rot has gotten the city nowhere, so let's use the iron fist, and force building owners to develop or get outta here!
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^ I totally agree. The city needs to start to stand up to building owners who are simply sitting on properties and not developing them.

There should be a new by-law that prohibits any new surface lots in the downtown core, and that also gives all new and current property owners 12 months to begin developing their properties/buildings or forfet their ownership of said property to the city for fair market value.
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^ I totally agree. The city needs to start to stand up to building owners who are simply sitting on properties and not developing them.

There should be a new by-law that prohibits any new surface lots in the downtown core, and that also gives all new and current property owners 12 months to begin developing their properties/buildings or forfeit their ownership of said property to the city for fair market value.
your suggestion is way to vague
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^ It's only an idea. I am not trying to submit it to city hall...
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^ It's only an idea. I am not trying to submit it to city hall...
hint hint.......
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Perhaps after the first is established a second could begin, but that is getting way ahead of where I want to focus, which is we need something to keep people downtown after work.
And what may that be? Lower taxes?
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Out of all the (and I do not know specific numbers as of now) Doctors, Professors, support staff at the U of W, and Health Sciences Centre, how many live downtown? These professionals are the ones we want downtown because they have the $$$ to attract the higher end stores, etc. Whenever I think of our downtown population, I think of lower end apartment buildings, and a few lofts scattered throughout, and not a whole lotta professionals. I am sure many live in Wolseley.
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And what may that be? Lower taxes?
I'm taking about vibrant centres of activity ... try to keep up.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2007, 11:18 PM
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^ I totally agree. The city needs to start to stand up to building owners who are simply sitting on properties and not developing them.

There should be a new by-law that prohibits any new surface lots in the downtown core, and that also gives all new and current property owners 12 months to begin developing their properties/buildings or forfet their ownership of said property to the city for fair market value.
Go ahead and tell Hartly Richardson to develope his blocks and blocks of property downtown ..


Any property owner worth anything willl tell you he will develope his property when there is demand. This is basic economics ... demand dictates supply. Not the other way around... except when it involves government financing.

You want to have less empty buildings .. less surface lots??

Here is the formula ... pay close attention.

Case 1) Improve the economic factors ...
.......... companies have increased revenue .. and increased profits .. companies want to capitialize on opportunity and seek to expand operations ... companies want in meet the new demand by expanding.. in order to expand, companies need more staff.. in order to employ more staff they need more space... companies goto the real estate market for that additional space. If there is not space which meets there requirements the company must deside if it wants to develope new space (development)
one more development = one less under-used lot.

Case 2) Improve the economic factors ..
.............. there is an increase demand of labour (ie: people willing to work for those who find economics too cold) .. increased demand of labour drives up the level of commericial activity (adds more demand for retail) .. more demands further increases the demand for more labour ... once the demand of labour exceeds supply of labour the price of labour increases (wages go up). As more people are earning a better wage they will be in a position to live in better housing. This will increase the demand for housing. Increased demand for housing will attract businesses who recognize this demand. If the demand is high enough there will be development of new housing.
one more development = one less under-used lot.

While this is the extremely.. very simplified version of how development occurs in the real world .. it does the reflect reality of economics.

Its not forcing investors at gun point .. it is drawing out the money through improving the economic conditions which allows for a profitable investment. The sooner you guys realize this, the less fustrated you'll be when you walk past the vast sea of surface lots and under-used buildings... known as downtown.

Of course I expect some of you to justify the lack of economic progress .. by saying its good for society.

Socialism is funny.
High taxes and government interferance kills off private investment .. but good for the people?? Maybe .. if surface lots are what is meant by good for the people.

Winnipeg must be very good for the people .. as it doens't interest many investors.
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