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Old Posted May 20, 2013, 4:00 PM
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SAN ANTONIO │ CPS Headquarters Redevelopment Thread | U/C

The story is behind a paywall, but here's the quote pertaining to the skyline.

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In a more formal RFP, Beneby said CPS would likely accept proposals from developers to build a new CPS headquarters downtown and maybe lease it to the utility — in addition to potential property swaps.

As always, the hurdles for a new building would be the high cost of downtown construction and lining up adequate parking.

Nevertheless, Beneby said he wants to consider “the best opportunity for the skyline of San Antonio.”
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Old Posted May 20, 2013, 11:55 PM
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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 12:22 AM
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This needs to happen.
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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 12:51 AM
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I can see this happening.
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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 2:51 AM
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I'm hearing the city, including CPS, want it to be in the 600-700 ft range. There are whispers this could go near the Weston with Graham building residential next to or very near it.

Exciting times ahead my friends.
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600-700ft?! That'd be amazing! I hope it's closer to 700. I hope the design is bad.
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600-700ft?! That'd be amazing! I hope it's closer to 700. I hope the design is bad.
Care to elaborate on that?
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As much as I'd love to see this actually get built, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not getting my hopes up too high
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Care to elaborate on that?

Oh gosh. Got too excited, I meant ISN'T*
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Old Posted May 21, 2013, 7:28 PM
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Oh gosh. Got too excited, I meant ISN'T*
Haha, I knew I was missing something.

I see the location is rumored to be near the Weston Center; does anyone have any guesses as to where, specifically, this building will end up? I know it's too early to know anything, but it's fun to speculate.
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Oh gosh. Got too excited, I meant ISN'T*
I thought that was meant as a jab at the HDRC. Honest.
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600-700ft?! That'd be amazing! I hope it's closer to 700.
Is the idea for a mixed-use building with residential or hotel space in it? A 600 foot tower is a lot of space to dump in a downtown office market with a 30% vacancy rate.

I'd love to see it happen, but we have a lot of work to do to on those Geekdom startups to fill that much space.
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Is the idea for a mixed-use building with residential or hotel space in it? A 600 foot tower is a lot of space to dump in a downtown office market with a 30% vacancy rate.

I'd love to see it happen, but we have a lot of work to do to on those Geekdom startups to fill that much space.
That's true. I forgot about the vacancy rate. I think your idea of a hotel on the first few floors might work. Especially for the businesses that might operate on the higher floors, or vice versa.
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I think part of the problem with the vacancy rate, is just the sheer age of some of the existing space in downtown. I believe Weston is one of/if not the newest office tower in downtown and that was in 88 or 89? You have to wonder just how out of date some of the infrastructure in terms of data, electrical, water, sewer, conveying equipment etc. is in these buildings. When companies move into a space, they don't want to be dealing with outdated real estate that could hinder their ability to grow.
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When companies move into a space, they don't want to be dealing with outdated real estate that could hinder their ability to grow.
True enough, but if the demand were there, wouldn't the property owners pay to update the infrastructure? Or once a B always a B?
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Any idea of what this building will look like?
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just to throw this out there....

Submitted for conversation...Wouldn't it be better to have two 400'ers than one 800'? Please don't get me wrong, things are finally starting to happen here and I don't want our downtown to look like OKC with a couple kinda tall buildings and one really tall. A more extreme example would be if that 800'er gets built in Midland. Just sticking my neck out there....
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Submitted for conversation...Wouldn't it be better to have two 400'ers than one 800'? Please don't get me wrong, things are finally starting to happen here and I don't want our downtown to look like OKC with a couple kinda tall buildings and one really tall. A more extreme example would be if that 800'er gets built in Midland. Just sticking my neck out there....
Hey texastarkus, that's a great thought. I can see where you're coming from. Another example might be Dubai, where the Burj is massively taller than anything else around it.

However, I don't think that's what we'd be looking at here. According to Emporis, the Weston Centre is 557' at the top and the Tower is 622' at the architectural height or 730' at the tip of the antenna.

The CPS Energy building would fall somewhere in that 557'-730' range so it wouldn't be alone in that height range. It could look more like the Comcast Center in Philly, which looks like a natural growth in the skyline.

I think more important than height is the fact that there would just be a lot of empty space around it on the northwest end of downtown. Hopefully Weston Urban plans some taller apartments to go with the office building.
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Submitted for conversation...Wouldn't it be better to have two 400'ers than one 800'? Please don't get me wrong, things are finally starting to happen here and I don't want our downtown to look like OKC with a couple kinda tall buildings and one really tall. A more extreme example would be if that 800'er gets built in Midland. Just sticking my neck out there....
At this point, a 600'er would make an impact on the skyline and I would prefer (just a personal preference) to keep the Tower the tallest or at least not too much shorter than our (future) tallest. Would I prefer a 600'er or 2 300'ers? Well, it would depend on the design of the building. If it ended up "office park-like" then I would hate either one. Mixed-use maximizing the street would be the best with any height. I think I might squeak out the preference for a single tall only to take up less real estate and leave room for more residential.
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Submitted for conversation...Wouldn't it be better to have two 400'ers than one 800'? Please don't get me wrong, things are finally starting to happen here and I don't want our downtown to look like OKC with a couple kinda tall buildings and one really tall. A more extreme example would be if that 800'er gets built in Midland. Just sticking my neck out there....
I say go for the tall one.

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