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  #141  
Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 2:04 AM
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So there it is... taller than the Empire State Building!
on paper.

if they were physically next to eachother the ESB would clearly be taller at 1,470ft.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 2:32 AM
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Here's some info I got from going to the Boston Redevelopment Authority's office, but pictures were prohibited

I now have a much more favorable opinion on this project than before. Although the boxiness still leaves plenty to be desired, the details more than make up for it. There's about an acre's worth of public space on the ground floor, and, like shiz already said, Devonshire Street is demapped in front of the building (it will now lead underground to the parking garage and loading docks), creating one big continuous open space with Winthrop Square. Given the security concerns, just how open the indoor space will be remains to be seen, but on paper it looks great. There will be some smaller retail areas off to the side of the open space, along with what looked to be one entire floor's worth in the level just below ground. Overall retail space is supposed to be around 40k square feet.

The tower's lobby is located in the northwestern portion of the site, filling in the space that 101 Federal wraps around. Escalators will bring you up approximately 50 feet from ground level to where the elevator banks begin, and the actual office floors start 20 feet above that. The exterior spire/shaft also holds four elevators which will make stops at the 31st/32nd and 47th/48th floors transfer/mechanical zones, along with all the way up to the restaurant level. The shaft will also hold what looked to be solar or reflective panels up near the top, getting thicker with them the higher you went (the diagonal lines seen in the restaurant section above). So although this shaft looks rather dinky in the first rendering, in reality it will be pretty substantial (4 elevator shafts plus lobby space).

Along with the environmental panels on the exterior elevator shaft, there will also be other reflective panels on the outside of the tower itself, placed about 650 ft up (the white things visible in the original rendering) that, combined with reflective panels mounted on top of surrounding buildings such as 101 Federal, will direct sunlight down to the vegetation at ground level. The glass will also be "low emission" and up to triple glazed, depending on which cardinal direction it will face. And although I didn't see it anywhere else, it looked like there was some kind of second skin on the northern facade, a la the ceramic rods used on Renzo's New York Times tower. That building was shown more than a few times throughout the book more or less as an example as to how to design in a green manner, and it's quite obvious that this tower is through and through a product of Renzo Piano.

A diagram I did based on the images:



Other stats:

Height: 1,087 ft to the floor of the roof garden (glass extends up another 20-25 ft), 1,270 ft to the top of spire

Width/Length: 140 x 140 ft (not including exterior shaft), 32 x 32 ft structural bays

1.336m sf office space, 40k sf retail, 54k sf indoor public area (not including roof zen garden),1200 parking spaces, and 40.3k mechanical space
Total = 1.470 million square feet

Sounds great! The spire seems like it will be much more substantial than the rendering made it look. Great info for Boston. this will put this tower taller than just about anything outside of NY/Ch. (including Signature Tower in Nashville -just with the roof height alone excluding spire.) for Boston A great city!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 10:20 AM
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O.K. so there is one bidder. Whats next, how long do we have to wait until final design/approval/and finally construction?
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 2:54 PM
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This is from shiz02130 over at ArchBoston.com:

"There's a construction time-line that shows the actual vertical construction as starting in early 2009 and finishing in September of 2011. But they allotted a bunch of time for the 'selection process,' so maybe it could start sooner, since there is no competition."
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 7:31 PM
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A new rendering has been released!!!



     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 8:27 PM
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It's a square box???

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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 8:51 PM
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ewwww. its a big Multifoods tower.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 9:09 PM
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That's a dirty trick.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2006, 11:43 PM
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Ok..kznyc2k..was your info part of the joke as well?..lol..God that pic really does show how uninspired a 'regular' old box would look..anyway that is still even better than what Paris is getting:

TOUR-SIGNAL!!!!





How would this look in a rendering hovering over Boston like a monster? LOL!

Maybe if Boston does not like it's tower Paris would be willing to trade buildings???
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2006, 6:23 AM
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How would this look in a rendering hovering over Boston like a monster?
I'll tackle that question tomorrow.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2006, 6:40 AM
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Pretty decent design, really tall, good for Boston! Its about time some other American cities start getting the Supertalls going. There aren't many outside of NY and Chicago.

There seem to be an awful lot of supertalls proposed, rumored, or under construction in the United States right now, and to think that just 7 or 8 years ago everyone was preaching about how we will probably see practically no buildings over 50 or 60 stories built anymore in the US because 50 or 60 story buildings are the most efficiant height to build a building or some other crap like that. Hurray for the nay-sayers being wrong yet again.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2006, 12:37 AM
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Its nice to see Boston get a supertall greater than a 1000 feet. As far as the buildings design, frankly, I am really happy we ended up with the NYTimes Tower and not this. A bit bland for my taste.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2006, 5:58 AM
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Some food for thought:





Trump Tower Chicago



art deco throwback: Nashville's Signature Tower



cutting edge "organic:" Paris' proposed new tallest, by Thom Mayne of Morphosis

     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2006, 7:05 AM
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Try putting the Freedom Tower there and see how it would look in Boston. Haha!!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2006, 7:57 AM
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Well that Signature Tower-type design would really look good there..with the tapering helping it fit in better.

And that one with the horrible box would be funny..except some cities have as their tallest building things that look just like it..mine included.


The Rhodes State Office Tower..629 feet.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2006, 3:59 PM
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Try putting the Freedom Tower there and see how it would look in Boston. Haha!!
Will do. I'll also be doing Renzo's New York Times and London Bridge towers to see how it stacks up against Boston's proposal, plus Chicago Spire, Bank of China and Burj Dubai. Whoopee!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2006, 4:03 PM
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Might as well add the former Twins also. Haha!!
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2006, 3:56 PM
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A few..

London Bridge Tower:



Bank of China:



and the FT:

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Old Posted Dec 1, 2006, 5:03 PM
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And Roger's 3 WTC

     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2006, 5:14 PM
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^ Thanks for your work.

From that perspective I'd take London Shard hands down... she would would compliment any city's skyline.
     
     
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