ATLANTA | Development Thread VI

[MdtwnATL]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

I heard GE's Big Data group is looking at this development. Clearly CODA is getting a lot of attention for Portman to want to start Phase II as a speculative development. Also, considering Selig's proposed West Peachtree development is 600K sqft and is 32 stories it is conceivable this could be above 30 stories.

30 office building stories means pretty good height, no?

[tdawg]

Isn't AIG still looking at Atlanta for a major consolidation? I would think that they would definitely be looking hard at a new Midtown tower.

[Omaharocks]

Gotta agree with the nimby's on the ponce proposals - that height is ridiculous for that area, and a larger number of shorter structures would result in the same or higher density and better urbanism.

Tall towers in proximity to drive-throughs and parking lots is the Houston model, no reason for Atlanta to continue with the poor urbanism along the Beltline.

[pitmeo]

Originally Posted by Omaharocks

Gotta agree with the nimby's on the ponce proposals - that height is ridiculous for that area, and a larger number of shorter structures would result in the same or higher density and better urbanism.

Tall towers in proximity to drive-throughs and parking lots is the Houston model, no reason for Atlanta to continue with the poor urbanism along the Beltline.

Who's to say those drive throughs and parking lots can't also be redeveloped into denser parcels to support the increasing urbanization of the area? No reason that all of the land on North Ave and Ponce shouldn't be developed from Midtown to the EST, especially with the North Ave streetcar looming.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by tdawg

Isn't AIG still looking at Atlanta for a major consolidation? I would think that they would definitely be looking hard at a new Midtown tower.

When I was doing a consulting project at AIG in 2013 the rumor at their HQ in NYC was they were relocating to Atlanta.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by pitmeo

Who's to say those drive throughs and parking lots can't also be redeveloped into denser parcels to support the increasing urbanization of the area? No reason that all of the land on North Ave and Ponce shouldn't be developed from Midtown to the EST, especially with the North Ave streetcar looming.

100% agree!

[Atlanta3000]

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

100% agree!

Yep, midtown to north highland along ponce is prime for redevelopment and same thing goes for midtown to the EST along north Ave. we don't need 18 story towers the whole way though.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Yep, midtown to north highland along ponce is prime for redevelopment and same thing goes for midtown to the EST along north Ave. we don't need 18 story towers the whole way though.

Nor would we get them the whole way. But don't think they should be outlawed there.

[alco89]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Is this the "boutique urban concept hotel" that's already had 2 drastically different renderings before this one?

EDIT: 17 floors, so I guess this is it.

[Omaharocks]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Nor would we get them the whole way. But don't think they should be outlawed there.

Sure, all the developments along Ponce could and should be developed into walkable projects in the 3 - 7 story range, which would fit the context of the area and boost the nearby neighborhoods, but 18 stories along that corridor is insane when there are so many empty lots remaining between downtown and midtown.

PCM is great, but remains way out of scale with the neighborhoods despite being about 10 stories. High rises at various parcels on Ponce would not jive visually with Atlanta's north/south Peachtree spine arrangement.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by alco89

Is this the "boutique urban concept hotel" that's already had 2 drastically different renderings before this one?

EDIT: 17 floors, so I guess this is it.

The previous ones were from a different architecture firm and for Virgin hotel. Not sure if this new proposal is replacing it, but they look to be similarly placed. I'll reach out to my buddy and see what he can share.

[pica]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Nor would we get them the whole way. But don't think they should be outlawed there.

Exactly, higher density can and should be built where it makes sense, and the exact place where Beltline transit will meet North Ave transit makes lots of sense. Yes, 18 stories is out of scale with what's there now. But who thinks fast food restaurants and suburban big box plazas is the model for how the neighborhood should continue developing forever?

[daharris80]

Originally Posted by Omaharocks

Sure, all the developments along Ponce could and should be developed into walkable projects in the 3 - 7 story range, which would fit the context of the area and boost the nearby neighborhoods, but 18 stories along that corridor is insane when there are so many empty lots remaining between downtown and midtown.

PCM is great, but remains way out of scale with the neighborhoods despite being about 10 stories. High rises at various parcels on Ponce would not jive visually with Atlanta's north/south Peachtree spine arrangement.

I bet this is what they said when Colony Square was built in Midtown. Way out of scale in the neighborhood when it was built.

[Atlanta3000]

TowerPlace Buckhead - Office/Condo Tower and Apartment Tower

[Atlanta3000]

Opus Place - Midtown

[Dale]

Question: isn't Peachtree Place getting a rehab ?

[PhunkyPho]

[QUOTE=Atlanta3000;7868206]Opus Place - Midtown

Oh Opus, you know I love you.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by Omaharocks

Sure, all the developments along Ponce could and should be developed into walkable projects in the 3 - 7 story range, which would fit the context of the area and boost the nearby neighborhoods, but 18 stories along that corridor is insane when there are so many empty lots remaining between downtown and midtown.

PCM is great, but remains way out of scale with the neighborhoods despite being about 10 stories. High rises at various parcels on Ponce would not jive visually with Atlanta's north/south Peachtree spine arrangement.

Yeah, I think 3-7 stories will be more common in that Cooridior. But what exactly is the hardship that is being suffered by allowing taller buildings? If we want to give people options beyond traffic we need as much density as we can get in walkable, transit connected areas.

[jsvh]

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