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Old Posted Feb 23, 2020, 2:46 PM
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American TV is lowest common denominator? No offense, but this was last true 30 years ago

Anime is better written than

Sopranos
Deep space nine
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2020, 3:06 PM
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disagree with Chicago, and not just because I lived here. I was also here 25 years ago

no doubt it gained with Obama's election. And seriously about TV and movies? There are 145 Chicago shows

it was in danger of becoming a giant detroit 25 years ago. Now it's becoming a national tech hub and restaurant center that hosts the Beard Awards.

the Chicago of Michael Jordan is basically hieroglyphics at this point

my answer for a fade might be Portland? seems to have slipped from when everyone was talking about it, or maybe ATL. Hard not to peak with the olympics
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2020, 3:11 PM
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^nationally yes. globally, no
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Chicago and the Midwest are not any less relevant to Americans but their role in movies and Hollywood has declined due to the globalization of western culture that I mentioned earlier

And cities in the USA generally are much more relevant than they were in the 1980s . My parents would not have even considered a vacation to Chicago (scary!) or New York back in the day.

Economically the increase in corporate jobs / hqs to central Cities (especially Chicago) has been a huge change as well

But yeah Ferris bueller if it were made today would probably not be set in Chicago but in nyc or La since moviegoers in Lagos or Singapore only recognize those cities
Ferris Bueller was only set in Chicago because of John Hughes.
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Chicago and the Midwest are not any less relevant to Americans but their role in movies and Hollywood has declined due to the globalization of western culture that I mentioned earlier.................

But yeah Ferris bueller if it were made today would probably not be set in Chicago but in nyc or La since moviegoers in Lagos or Singapore only recognize those cities
I think John Hughes made that movie in Chicago/burbs (and many others like breakfast club) because he grew up there.
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i read yesterday that dc comics (in la) is going to have a live action play in japan of the anime batman ninja. la will always be well known because of its entertainment.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2020, 4:02 PM
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But yeah Ferris bueller if it were made today would probably not be set in Chicago but in nyc or La since moviegoers in Lagos or Singapore only recognize those cities
This is a ridiculous premise. The amount of movie making and TV shows set in Chicago has actually increased, and when it comes to TV shows, exploded, so I don’t know how you can come to the opposite conclusion.

And what makes you think that people in Laos would really give a shit whether Ferris Bueller were set in Chicago or LA? The whole premise of that movie doesn’t require it to be in Chicago. So the lack of “recognizability” of the city it is set in really won’t have much bearing on the story that movie was trying to tell.

While John Hughes played a role in a lot of movie making in Chicago in the 80’s, that situation today is no longer as tenuous. In Cinespace, Chicago now has one of the largest studio complexes in the nation outside of Hollywood and it is only expanding. It is a dedicated investment with a lot of backing and a huge job generator. It is a game changer and it isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, no matter how much the usual naysayers elsewhere want to dismiss the local scene.
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It’s not on culture, but on economics. Chicago used to be much more prominent worldwide till the 1990’s than today.
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He was traded from the bulls, wolves and sixers because he’s a loud mouth idiot. He landed on Miami, didn’t seek them out. He’s also said he’s like to play for th bulls again (an embarrassment of a franchise) so you know that he’s happy to be paid by whatever team will have him.

To be fair though, athletes not wanting to play there has probably nothing to do with the city and everything to do with the state of the teams. When the heat were a top tier franchise they had plenty of free agents eager to play for them.
It depends on the narrative people want to push. When Lebron went to Miami Heat, it was far more about playing with Wade than Miami itself. But the media and fans back then made it into this massive South Beach thing, which was weird. If Wade played in Memphis or Phoenix, Lebron would've went there too.

Also, the Heat never really fell off into some tanking franchise. As long as Riley is there, it probably won't happen. But you still don't see the big names pushing for it like they did before. This is true for the other sports as well, to a lesser extent. it doesn't seem to have the same allure in pop culture as it once did.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2020, 8:13 PM
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I'm way past the age where anime is geared towards but I did grow up watching some of it. I understood the appeal then but I don't understand it now. Movies and series seemed more mature to me, written for all-ages. The stuff I see on store shelves now (both anime and manga) look very childish and almost geared towards teenage girls.
I'm pretty sure the average anime fan in the west is a 40 year old neckbeard, not a teenage girl.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2020, 8:21 PM
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^nationally yes. globally, no
Not sure if you were referring to Portland or Atlanta, but yeah I'd say Portland, while less locally 'buzzy' than a few years ago, seems to have a more global awareness. At least in Japan, which has about a dozen Portland-themed shops, bars and restaurants in a Tokyo neighborhood. But this article was from waaay back in 2017 so... maybe this has faded too, ha!

https://www.wweek.com/we-went-to-japan/

We Went To Tokyo To Figure Out Why They’re Obsessed With Our City

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The dream of Portland is alive in Japan.
Published January 10, 2017

Like a lot of Portlanders, Miyuki Hiramatsu got tired of the corporate grind.

After working 16 years at Columbia Sportswear, she wanted to slow things down. Her dream was to run a nice, little pub serving Oregon beer. She calls her place PDX Taproom, and it pours Ninkasi Tricerahops and Breakside IPA while spinning the Decemberists and Dandy Warhols. The bar is decorated with a replica of the Keep Portland Weird wall, a framed swatch of PDX airport carpet and a house copy of Willamette Week's Beer Guide.

The twist?

The bar is in Tokyo—and it's so popular on weekends you need to make a reservation.

"I thought my customers would be beer geeks," Hiramatsu says. "It turns out, they were just people who like Portland."

In Tokyo, Portland is an aspirational brand. There are more than a dozen Portland-themed restaurants, bars and shops in Tokyo's Shibuya ward, a hip neighborhood that's home to vibrant street fashion and is one of the only two wards in Japan to recognize same-sex marriage.
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It depends on the narrative people want to push. When Lebron went to Miami Heat, it was far more about playing with Wade than Miami itself. But the media and fans back then made it into this massive South Beach thing, which was weird. If Wade played in Memphis or Phoenix, Lebron would've went there too.

Also, the Heat never really fell off into some tanking franchise. As long as Riley is there, it probably won't happen. But you still don't see the big names pushing for it like they did before. This is true for the other sports as well, to a lesser extent. it doesn't seem to have the same allure in pop culture as it once did.
If wade played in Phoenix or Memphis, he bosh and lebron would have figured out a way to play for the knicks/bulls/heat/rockets/clippers. The three of them were all free agents and teams were ready to gut their entire rosters to have them. It just so happened wade played in a city like Miami and was (and still is) a huge icon there. Plus, Pat Riley.

Anyway, we’re both acting like sports are any way like they used to be as far as markets go. The knicks and bulls have been terrible for years and teams like OKC can sign Paul George.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2020, 9:25 PM
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American TV is lowest common denominator? No offense, but this was last true 30 years ago

Anime is better written than

Sopranos
Deep space nine
Seinfeld
Simpsons
Altered carbon
Girls
Rome
Breaking bad
Mad men
Succession
The good place
Black mirror
Fleabag (ok British)
Game of thrones
Orville
Family guy


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The things that make American prestige TV stand out (from network tv which is what my lowest common denominator comment was about) are par for the course in anime.

A genre serial, where there are character arcs of some kind, and a plot of some kind, and if you're lucky a little bit of philosophy in it. It doesn't mean that every anime is worth watching, but it's almost always going to have the basics covered. Anyone who likes genre serials should watch anime.

The things that American TV are just finally catching onto (and which have been very popular, indicating to me how in-demand these elements are) are things that Japan has been doing en mass for the last 50+ years. They've gotten better at it in general and there's a greater volume of it and the chances that something good is made are higher.

It's kind of like how western audiences have discovered Korean boy bands. It's not like we don't have boy bands too, but they've always had way more and they've perfected the art.
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Anime is far cheaper than American live action TV to produce hence perhaps more emphasis on the writing. GITS was pretty good in that area. Even the crappier sitcoms and cheesy cop shows. Anime will ever be a niche market over here because no matter how good some of them might be ( I loved Spirited Away), they are still cartoons.
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^nationally yes. globally, no
thanks for the view from the suburbs
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I'm pretty sure the average anime fan in the west is a 40 year old neckbeard, not a teenage girl.
There’s a shit ton of those in the East too

One of the very few good things to come out of Tokyo getting the Olympics this year: no more soft core anime porn ads in the trains and subways. To avoid making foreign tourists uncomfortable mind you, not because it’s creepy AF.

I don’t get anime at all. But that’s probably because I love Archer, Big Mouth, and Rick and Morty.
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I think John Hughes made that movie in Chicago/burbs (and many others like breakfast club) because he grew up there.
That’s true, but the Chicago suburbs he focused on, more than conveniently represented super ideal upper middle class suburban America. Other than the cities, there wasn’t anything “non Americana”, within 1000 miles of Chicago’s North Shore utopia.

Mainstream America either lived (in a much less perfect version of) or wanted to live in a place such as Winnetka, IL.
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There’s a shit ton of those in the East too

One of the very few good things to come out of Tokyo getting the Olympics this year: no more soft core anime porn ads in the trains and subways. To avoid making foreign tourists uncomfortable mind you, not because it’s creepy AF.

I don’t get anime at all. But that’s probably because I love Archer, Big Mouth, and Rick and Morty.
Thankfully I avoided the anime craze while it was in its early phase. 2D animation reached its zenith in the 90s with the Disney Renaissance and this:

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That’s true, but the Chicago suburbs he focused on, more than conveniently represented super ideal upper middle class suburban America. Other than the cities, there wasn’t anything “non Americana”, within 1000 miles of Chicago’s North Shore utopia.

Mainstream America either lived (in a much less perfect version of) or wanted to live in a place such as Winnetka, IL.
I think Hughes said once he thought most of America looked liked the North Shore and found out later in his life he was wrong, that it wasn't all huge mansions.
Kinda interesting.
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Plenty of amazing anime...

Amazon Prime- Vinland Saga. You won't be disappointed.
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