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This is all so premature.
That's the beauty of it.

The new 25,000 Amazon employees, and their spouses, should be good for at least a 50,000 person bump on Census 2020!
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This is all so premature.
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean this discussion that's been going on all year in various threads, with specifity?




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Well, at the very least, a sped up (as if that's necessary) development of LIC will ultimately lead into the push for the redevelopment of Sunnyside Yards, itself much larger than Hudson Yards, a city unto itself.

More on that here...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=215547

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What to Expect When Amazon Arrives in Long Island City

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...after dangling the transformative power of a new corporate behemoth, Amazon chose the two cities where its presence will be noticed least. In New York, especially, the number of tech jobs has been rising in the city for well over a decade, so another 25,000 will just sharpen the curve. Last year’s opening of the Cornell Tech campus on Roosevelt Island, a quick ferry ride from Long Island City, made the Queens waterfront an obvious candidate for the sector’s new home base. As it happens, the neighborhood has an oversupply of new apartments and new office space, with more of both on the way, so Amazon could almost move in tomorrow and let its entire workforce commute on foot. Or, as Angela Merkel keeps telling Germans worried about being overwhelmed by new arrivals: Wir schaffen das. We’ve got this.
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A few consequences are obvious. Long Island City will be awash with tech types who are insufferably young and highly paid. Also with dogs (6,000 of them show up at the Amazon office in Seattle every day). The price of lunch, rent, and laundry will continue to rise. Waterfront parks will get more crowded. Less predictably, a new Amazon campus could also trigger some new transit patterns that exclude Manhattan completely.




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An inside look at Amazon's HQ2 visits to NYC


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When Amazon officials visited New York's Long Island City as a potential second headquarters, they were impressed with its "Seattle"-like neighborhood vibe and the "scale and infrastructure" it had to offer.

Long Island City is a residential and industrial neighborhood in western Queens that has been transformed into a hipster enclave. MoMA's PS1 contemporary art space and the iconic Silvercup Studios anchor the creative scene, accompanied by craft beer and cocktail bars. High-rise apartment buildings have altered the skyline, as younger New Yorkers opt for a view of, instead of from, Manhattan.
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Although no deal has been inked, an announcement is expected soon, possibly as early as this week. After a competitive nationwide search, the company is reportedly choosing two cities as its new headquarters.

The dual HQ2 is in line with what Amazon has been saying all along: one urban campus, one suburban. Very few places can supply the talent pool Amazon requires for these new 50,000 jobs, according to the source. It's also assumed that those jobs will be split evenly between the two selected cities.
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Beginning in October 2017, New York City submitted a proposal featuring four locations: Long Island City, Manhattan's Midtown West/Hudson Yards, downtown Manhattan and the Brooklyn Tech Triangle.

In January, the company narrowed its list of potential cities to 20.

On the first visit to New York, Amazon execs toured two locations: Hudson Yards and Long Island City. The problem with Hudson Yards was that it wasn't a real neighborhood yet despite its development potential, the source said.

In July, Amazon officials came back for a second visit but only saw Long Island City. Company representatives took a ferry tour at sunset, a Citi Bike tour and met with Andy Byford, the CEO of the New York City Transit Authority. Byford reassured the company about the reliability of the subway system, particularly the problem-ridden 7 train, the source said.



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Amazon subtly hinted that it could have 2 HQ2s from the beginning

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Amazon may have been considering placing its second headquarters, which it calls HQ2, in two places from the beginning.

That news has surprised many observers, as Amazon had not publicly raised the possibility that HQ2 could be put in two different places, or even split between an area wider than one metropolitan area.

But a closer read reveals that Amazon had left itself some wiggle room in the form of legal language at the bottom of its original request for proposals last September.

There, in all italics, is a disclaimer that reads (emphasis ours):

"This RFP is only an invitation for proposals, the substance of which may be memorialized in a binding, definitive agreement or agreements if any proposal is selected. Amazon may select one or more proposals and negotiate with the parties submitting such proposals before making an award decision,or it may select no proposals and enter into no agreement."

Once thought to be typical boilerplate legal language that would protect Amazon if it didn't go through with the HQ2 project for whatever reason, it takes on a much different meaning in light of the recent reports.

It seems possible that splitting HQ2 could have been an option that Amazon was considering since the beginning, when it embarked on this project more than a year ago.
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Excellent news. I love the confidence. LIC is about to be on another level. May the boom be strong, and crush those who oppose!

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A few consequences are obvious. Long Island City will be awash with tech types who are insufferably young and highly paid. Also with dogs (6,000 of them show up at the Amazon office in Seattle every day). The price of lunch, rent, and laundry will continue to rise. Waterfront parks will get more crowded. Less predictably, a new Amazon campus could also trigger some new transit patterns that exclude Manhattan completely.
Excellent. Dogs > cats, so this is a proud move for the booming dog population of LIC.
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Been on SSP for nearly 20 years. This might be the biggest cart before the horse moment I've seen yet.
lol for real, even Crawford did a total 180 change in rhetoric when he found out half of this might be going to the precious, precious NYC area.

And people complain about Chicago boosters...
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That's the beauty of it.

The new 25,000 Amazon employees, and their spouses, should be good for at least a 50,000 person bump on Census 2020!
Not all 25,000 positions will be filled by newcomers. Many of those will be filled by people already living in the area.
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Not all 25,000 positions will be filled by newcomers. Many of those will be filled by people already living in the area.
True but economic multiplier effect should have companies that do a lot of business with Amazon open up offices nearby.

I also realize 2020 may be a little early, but it should be some boost to growth forecasts.

Unemployment rate is very low, so even if folks leave other places of employment in NYC to join Amazon, those companies will still need to recruit and back fill their positions. The more job opportunities in the city, the more folks should be flocking to the big apple.
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lol for real, even Crawford did a total 180 change in rhetoric when he found out half of this might be going to the precious, precious NYC area.

And people complain about Chicago boosters...

There were well over two hundred proposals from cities across the country to attract Amazon. It looks as if New York might have been selected. You don't expect any celebration from the New York contingent? I actually feel like the celebratory posts have been quite muted considering how big a deal this potentially could be. Is it a done deal? Nope. Could they switch it up and choose Chicago? Sure I guess. But take a moment and really try to imagine what this place would be like if that happened.

(Waiting)

Awful, right?

Anyhow, we all know that being the turd in the punch bowl is kind of your thing. It's actually become somewhat endearing.
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There were well over two hundred proposals from cities across the country to attract Amazon. It looks as if New York might have been selected. You don't expect any celebration from the New York contingent? I actually feel like the celebratory posts have been quite muted considering how big a deal this potentially could be. Is it a done deal? Nope. Could they switch it up and choose Chicago? Sure I guess. But take a moment and really try to imagine what this place would be like if that happened.

(Waiting)

Awful, right?

Anyhow, we all know that being the turd in the punch bowl is kind of your thing. It's actually become somewhat endearing.

Pay no attention to that noise. Just bitter beans I suppose. I haven't followed this process in great detail, but I do know that checking on certain threads for progress in this forum was basically reading a conversation about Amazon coming to this city, or that. And now that we're actually close to the real deal, we aren't supposed to talk about it? GTFOH.

Amazon could still pull the plug. They could still decide they don't even want or need a new headquarters. Will anyone in New York lose sleep? Hell no. LIC is booming already. But it would be nice to see this take shape, for sure.
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Here are 5 sites Amazon could be checking out for its potential LIC HQ
One Court Square, Anable Basin megaproject could be contenders for HQ2



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ong Island City has been the talk of the town — rather, New York City — since news broke that Amazon could be planning to house half of its HQ2 there.

Whether the neighborhood will share Amazon’s headquarters with Crystal City, Virginia remains to be seen. But office landlords and brokers are anticipating an influx of nearly 25,000 new workers and residents, essentially transforming Long Island City into a company town.

Here’s a look at five sites Amazon could be eyeing in Long Island City.
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Sources told The Real Deal that Amazon could be scoping out a location in the Court Square area, which is home to some of the neighborhood’s Class A glass office towers. Citigroup is set to vacate 1 million square feet in the tower at One Court Square when its lease expires in 2020.
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Anable Basin




Earlier this week, Politico reported that the e-commerce giant is looking into the future Anable Basin megaproject. Plaxall Realty, which owns the 13-acre site, is planning to build a $3 billion mixed-use project with 5,000 apartments and more than 300,000 square feet of manufacturing space.
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The Falchi Building




The 1 million-square-foot Falchi Building has a little more than 200,000 square feet of availability. The massive, industrial-style office building covers one full square block in Long Island City.
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Amazon could be sharing its new home with WeWork. The co-working firm — which just launched a new investment fund — inked a lease at Tishman Speyer’s new Long Island City office and retail complex, the JACX, in 2016.
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The 600,000-square-foot Factory Building has roughly 400,000 square feet of availability. Square Mile Capital sold its stake in the building at 30-30 47th Street to Partners Group and Atlas Capital Group in a deal valuing the property at $400 million.
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WOW!

25,000 new jobs from Amazon translates into ~100K more residents and a need for ~20,000 new units over a decade, give or take a couple of years. Sunnyside Yards and the Penn Station Towers just took a huge leap towards being built as population and business growth is on a track to surge! What will the effects be on other businesses in the tech sector? Massive growth is a pretty good bet, with 3 tech jobs being created in other companies for every one added by Amazon and even more in other industries such as private security, catering, education, healthcare etc. and even in traditional NYC industries such as financial and legal services, marketing etc.

I'd guess that more than half of these people getting these jobs will not be current NYC residents and since these people will need to live somewhere, this will spur large scale rezoning efforts and launch construction in LIC, Sunnyside and Greenpoint to the moon in order to prevent housing shortages and no, population losses due to gentrification will be more than replaced by people coming into the city.

As time goes on and the economy expands to accommodate Amazon and the boom it brings in with it, we will even see some of the more vision-like mega-projects such as the Red Hook towers and Seaport City begin to gather some momentum, perhaps even shovels in the dirt within the next 20 years

Amazon moving in might even make 2 WTC happen much sooner than expected!

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Could Sleepy Red Hook Really Be Transformed Into a Giant Mass of Skyscrapers?


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AECOM’s vision is to remake Red Hook with subway service and residential skyscrapers on what is now City- and Port Authority-owned land. The public agencies would sell the land to private developers, who would put up a mix of approximately 30,000 to 50,000 market-rate and affordable units on the waterfront.

The 1 train would be extended with two new stops in Red Hook and a connection to the F and G trains at the 4th Avenue and 9th Street stop.
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  • AECOM estimates the project will cost $3.5 billion to implement.
  • It would be bigger than Hudson Yards, which has 20,000 housing units.
  • It would bring 6,250 to 11,250 new affordable housing units to the area.
  • Port Authority is controlled by the states of New York and New Jersey.
  • The idea of selling off Brooklyn’s ports has been proposed before.

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WATER WORLD! Seaport City is mayor’s post-Sandy vision

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Mayor Bloomberg wants to build a new New Amsterdam in the East River to protect Lower Manhattan from future superstorms — so naturally, he's going Dutch.

City Hall has just selected Arcadis, an Amsterdam-based engineering firm, to study whether Hizzoner's so-called "Seaport City" is even doable.

In May, the mayor unveiled a plan to build a neighborhood on acres of levees stretching south from the Brooklyn Bridge to the Battery.

Now, Arcadis and other experts must determine if this unorthodox "Battery Park City East" is technically, financially and environmentally feasible.

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"If you look at what the Dutch have achieved, there's no reason we couldn't build something like this," said Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia's Earth Institute.

In Arcadis, City Hall believes it has found the perfect partner to figure this all out.

The firm has tackled similar plans before, including for the Port Authority, San Francisco and the Dutch city of Rotterdam.

Arcadis also helped build new flood protections in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, and, in 2009, Arcadis devised a sea wall that would seal off New York Harbor at the Verrazano Narrows — a proposal Mayor Bloomberg has dismissed.

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I'd guess that more than half of these people getting these jobs will not be current NYC residents and since these people will need to live somewhere, this will spur large scale rezoning efforts and launch construction in LIC, Sunnyside and Greenpoint to the moon in order to prevent housing shortages

The city does need more housing. LIC had been on fire with new residential towers, so much so that there was already talk of a coming glut on the market there. This would change that prospect, and jumpstart many other developments that have either been canceled or put on hold. There will be a shockwave of more development in places that are already developing, like Jamaica and Flushing. With the city's new ferry service, even the development of the Bronx could pick up.

We'll just have to wait for details on just what and how much Amazon has planned if they come to LIC.
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Plus Google is expanding. Its going to be a nice boost, along with all the new tenants in HY. Overall, the resi boom should continue to be strong.

Even amidst all of the new units in the last 5 years, the city is still not building enough. Crazy to even think that given how much has risen, but yeah... just not enough.

I gotta give Deblasio credit, much affordable housing has risen, and much more to come. He is really focusing on it too, and when you have a pro-development administration, it benefits all (expect the NIMBY swine... but they can go drown in the river).
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Plus Google is expanding. Its going to be a nice boost, along with all the new tenants in HY. Overall, the resi boom should continue to be strong.

Right, the Google expansion has been lost in the news because of the headlines Amazon has been making with it's search, but it's pretty significant.
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The city needs hundreds of thousands of new units regardless of whether or not Amazon plops.
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Plus Google is expanding. Its going to be a nice boost, along with all the new tenants in HY. Overall, the resi boom should continue to be strong.

Even amidst all of the new units in the last 5 years, the city is still not building enough. Crazy to even think that given how much has risen, but yeah... just not enough.

I gotta give Deblasio credit, much affordable housing has risen, and much more to come. He is really focusing on it too, and when you have a pro-development administration, it benefits all (expect the NIMBY swine... but they can go drown in the river).
It's a hell of a town!!
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in lieu of a new campus, the post alludes to amazon fitting around into existing lic buildings such as the citicorp tower:

https://nypost.com/2018/11/06/where-...orkers-end-up/
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in lieu of a new campus, the post alludes to amazon fitting around into existing lic buildings such as the citicorp tower:

https://nypost.com/2018/11/06/where-...orkers-end-up/

Yeah, posted that earlier. The Citigroup building would seem obvious because of so much space there, even if it were only temporary.



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Relax, Amazon and Google Can’t Ruin New York City

By Henry Grabar
Nov. 9, 2018


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The ever-changing composition of New York City’s private sector is one context in which to digest the news that Amazon is likely to move as many as 25,000 workers to Long Island City, Queens, and Google has plans to acquire space that would allow the Mountain View, California, company to more than double its workforce to nearly 20,000. In the middle of the East River, the campus of Cornell Tech, intended to do for New York what Stanford does for the Bay Area, opened last fall.

It feels like New York became a tech capital overnight.


That’s in part thanks to the brouhaha over Amazon’s HQ2 search. It’s also because, for the first time, New York is starting to see (or at least contemplate) the physical impact of that job growth. For Amazon, that may mean the transformation of a post-industrial area or a rail yard into a corporate campus, following the company’s model in Seattle. For Cornell, it’s a blocky white tower visible from all points south. WeWork recently surpassed JPMorgan Chase to become the city’s largest officeholder with an astounding 5.2 million square feet, planting its logo on buildings citywide.
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But the reality is that New York already is a tech capital. Tech-sector employment jumped by 57 percent between 2010 and 2016 to reach nearly 130,000 jobs. Google and Amazon aren’t creating the trend; they’re reacting to it. Proof of the city’s inherent value: Both Google and Facebook say they have built New York headquarters without state subsidies—just as Amazon seeks a break.
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One reason you might not have realized this was happening is that most tech companies in New York have operated like Google and Facebook, leasing and renovating space in older buildings rather than creating, like older corporate titans, landmarks of their own. In that way, the boom has been sneaky, taking over New York from inside the buildings that have been here for decades. Amazon may put an end to that trend.

Only San Francisco and San Jose register more tech patents than New York City, and New York state is second behind California in its number of billion-dollar “unicorn” startups.
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In the long run, it’s definitely a good thing for New York, with its dependence on income taxes, to secure tens of thousands of new six-figure jobs. The city is in the midst of its largest and longest period of job growth since the Second World War, but that won’t last forever. And it seems particularly smart because of the way that tech is steamrolling other sectors of the economy, some of which have long been important players of New York. Google and Madison Avenue; Amazon and … well, every other business in town. That’s happening whether those companies are here or in Dallas. How long before algorithms come for the city’s tens of thousands of finance jobs?
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I'm with Cuomo on this one. I'm sick of these idiots holding everything hostage, and settling for nothing.



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Cuomo likely to steer Amazon project around City Council
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The Cuomo administration will likely use a controversial planning process to shepherd Amazon's potential headquarters in Queens around the normal city review, Crain's has learned.

Several sources familiar with the negotiations to bring the tech giant to a sprawling office and mixed-use campus around Anable Basin on the Long Island City waterfront say the state is planning to create a general project plan to rezone the roughly 20-acre site, which today can only accommodate low-rise manufacturing uses.

That would give the state the authority to remake the area without having to secure approval from the City Council, which usually holds power over major development projects in need of a rezoning.

The general project plan still requires an environmental review, allows the community to comment in a public forum and is subject to nonbinding input from the City Planning Commission and the local community board.


The approach was used on controversial development projects such as Brooklyn's Atlantic Yards, which also drew scrutiny for using eminent domain to make way for a large arena—now the Barclays Center—and more than a dozen residential and mixed-use buildings. The advantage for Gov. Andrew Cuomo is that the Amazon project could not be held hostage by Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, per the council's tradition of deferring to the local member on rezonings.
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"I'm not just surprised, I'm angry," said Van Bramer. "I think it would be shocking if this was done in a way that bypassed the city land-use review process. This is the most top-down approach to a project I have seen so far, with no community involvement. This is the governor and the mayor and [Amazon CEO] Jeff Bezos sitting in a room together.
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According to several sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the deal with Amazon is still in negotiations, the $800 billion tech giant is focused on a large site owned by the plastics company Plaxall Inc. and on two large adjacent sites owned by the city that officials had previously sought to redevelop into a technology innovation center.

Plaxall had already begun moving forward with plans to rezone its sites to allow for the construction of 5,000 apartments along with mixed-use space like light industrial and retail and a large public esplanade that would ring the basin. It released a draft of its proposal for the site last year, when the company was planning to gear up for the city's review process, known as Ulurp. The declaration of a general project plan would allow the sites to be transformed into a campus of millions of square feet of state-of-the-art office space, apartments and mixed-use space, potentially denser than the City Council might otherwise endorse at a time when there has been public pushback against large-scale development and Amazon in particular.

"A general project plan would streamline a major project like this and is the most efficient regulatory structure to deal with the entitlement issues and the environmental review," said Mitch Korbey, chair of land use at Herrick Feinstein. "This is precisely the kind of project that GPPs are for."
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Some sources speculated that cutting Van Bramer out of the process would be a form of retaliation against the Queens Democrat, who endorsed Cynthia Nixon over Cuomo in the Democratic primary for governor this year.

The city also had backed off recent plans to rezone areas of Long Island City after Van Bramer chaffed at the proposal—although that rezoning may now be poised to advance again, sources said.
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