Peguis Twining/Transcona west development.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by Kronos

Plessis should be extended north to meet the CPT eastern extension, so that Lag, Plessis, and the east perimeter are the main north/south routes off the eastern section of the CPT. The intersection at Plessis and Gunn road will have to be updated as the lineups turning south on Plessis from Gunn is ever growing

Signals etc should be going in at Plessis/Gunn over the next year or two according to Russ Waytt June 15 2015 in his article in "the Hearald"

"The work on the intersection will be split up over 2015 and 2016, according to the Department of Public Works. This is largely due to design work needing to be done for the intersection upgrade and its proximity to the CPR rail mainline. Furthermore, the City must work with the railway to ensure that the future traffic signals at Plessis and Gunn will be interconnected to the busy rail crossing signals. According to our Public Works Department, the design work will be conducted in 2015 and construction in 2016 with new the turning lanes and traffic control signals."

[cllew]

did a little digging and the report on Concordia's twinning that I was thinking of was in 2008 not 2014/15 like I thought.

Anyway at that time the city reported there were 410-465 vehicles per lane per hour at peak hours and 600 and over per lane per hour at peak times is the number that would justify twinning Concordia. they also said the number of accidents is not out of line on comparable streets.

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by cllew

did a little digging and the report on Concordia's twinning that I was thinking of was in 2008 not 2014/15 like I thought.

Anyway at that time the city reported there were 410-465 vehicles per lane per hour at peak hours and 600 and over per lane per hour at peak times is the number that would justify twinning Concordia. they also said the number of accidents is not out of line on comparable streets.

What are the numbers on Munroe, Kimberly and McLeod? I think focusing just on the one street rather than how traffic flows through the whole area is pretty short-sighted when commuters are forced to use residential streets as arterial roads. Why not build the arterial road? Lagimodiere and CPT need better access, and CPT needs to be extended to the East ASAP.

[Kronos]

Originally Posted by Danny D Oh

Seems to me that Gunn/Plessis intersection would be an easy one to close. Gunn ends there and it's a road to nowhere. People can use Day to get to Regent or Springfield.

Gunn has a lot of traffic as it is the only exit off the east perimeter between Dugald Ave. and Lag.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Danny D Oh

Seems to me that Gunn/Plessis intersection would be an easy one to close. Gunn ends there and it's a road to nowhere. People can use Day to get to Regent or Springfield.

Huh? Gunn goes right to the east perimeter, there are also a lot of business's on Gunn.

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Huh? Gunn goes right to the east perimeter, there are also a lot of business's on Gunn.

And there's access to Gunn from Day, Redonda and the Perimeter. There's not much actually on Gunn, most of the commercial business in that area is happening on Day or Redonda, or roads accessed from them. Both Day and Redonda can be easily accessed through Springfield Road too. Most of Gunn runs behind the bioreserve, open fields and backyards of Kildonan Meadows. If Plessis is going 4 lanes the whole way and hopefully connecting to CPT at some point, there's no need for an intersection with Gunn. The ice road truckers aren't heading west from their shop, they are heading right to the Perimeter.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by Danny D Oh

What are the numbers on Munroe, Kimberly and McLeod? I think focusing just on the one street rather than how traffic flows through the whole area is pretty short-sighted when commuters are forced to use residential streets as arterial roads. Why not build the arterial road? Lagimodiere and CPT need better access, and CPT needs to be extended to the East ASAP.

No numbers for those streets were quoted in that report and I don't think I have ever seen any numbers for those streets anywhere else.

I don't even recall ever driving over the axle count hoses on any of them either so maybe the city has never done counts on Kimberly or Munroe.

McLeod is a bit different as it gets higher traffic due to the Superstore and the Pallaser furniture plant feeding into it. Probably not as much since Pallaser downsized but still sends more down McLeod than to Munroe or Kimberly.

[Kronos]

Info regarding open house for the planned new Transcona Library.

http://https://twitter.com/cityofwinnipeg/status/659857806145662977

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Kronos

Info regarding open house for the planned new Transcona Library.

http://https://twitter.com/cityofwinnipeg/status/659857806145662977

Why would they need a library in Transcona?

[bomberjet]

^Ya. Everyone's so smart, they don't need books. Right?! haha

[esquire]

Whatever the city ends up doing with the Transcona library, I hope they at least make it look somewhat like a respectable public building. Some of the newer public libraries are absolutely hideous abominations, like the Sir William Stephenson Library on Keewatin, replete with Burger King-style drive thru window (in case walking 30 feet from the attached parking lot is too much effort):



Source: now.winnipeg.ca

And then there is the strip mall piece of crap that is the Shindico Library on Henderson:



Let's step it up a notch. The 90s are over.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by esquire

Whatever the city ends up doing with the Transcona library, I hope they at least make it look somewhat like a respectable public building. Some of the newer public libraries are absolutely hideous abominations, like the Sir William Stephenson Library on Keewatin, replete with Burger King-style drive thru window (in case walking 30 feet from the attached parking lot is too much effort):



Source: now.winnipeg.ca

And then there is the strip mall piece of crap that is the Shindico Library on Henderson:



Let's step it up a notch. The 90s are over.

Well the Will Stephenson library was built in the 90's....

[esquire]

Originally Posted by cheswick

Well the Will Stephenson library was built in the 90's....

Exactly. But does the city know this? Or are they going to keep going with the 90s style public-library-as-suburban-fast-food-restaurant design motif?

[CoryB]

The reason the Henderson Library looks like a grocery store on the outside is that is what is was before a library. The old location was a much small section of that same strip mall so it was actually an improvement.

My understand is the direction the city is going with new libraries is basically putting function ahead of style. That means they will lease a space on an existing bus route over some fancy design that could win architectural awards. Personally I am okay with that too as libraries are more about what is inside the walls than how pretty the walls are on the outside and if a compromise is needed I would rather it be one favouring content over building style.

[Riverman]

Making libraries "architectural" is a waste of money. They are becoming a thing of the past anyway. A Butler building is suitable to house a library until the time that they all close.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

My understand is the direction the city is going with new libraries is basically putting function ahead of style. That means they will lease a space on an existing bus route over some fancy design that could win architectural awards. Personally I am okay with that too as libraries are more about what is inside the walls than how pretty the walls are on the outside and if a compromise is needed I would rather it be one favouring content over building style.

Hmm. How do other places manage to pull off both form and function?

Waterloo YMCA and Library:



Church conversion in Quebec City:



Local library in Toronto:



Neighbourhood library in Quebec City:



Longueil:



Boucherville:



La Malbaie:



Scarborough:



Edmonton:



Bear in mind that none of these are, as far as I know, showpiece central libraries with huge budgets... they're just garden variety local ones.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Making libraries "architectural" is a waste of money. They are becoming a thing of the past anyway. A Butler building is suitable to house a library until the time that they all close.

The cities I just posted examples from would seem to disagree with you.

[Riverman]

What's your point? Did you not hear the news that the city is in very poor financial shape and is looking to raise its debt ceiling? And your answer is to spend more money on prettifying institutions that are outdated and redundant anyway?

Do you work for a buggy whip manufacturer?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Riverman

What's your point? Did you not hear the news that the city is in very poor financial shape and is looking to raise its debt ceiling?

Fair enough. Then axe a surface parking lot from the library's budget and get people to park on the street, take the bus or use AT. There's a cost savings for the new library project right there.

[Riverman]

Or lease space in a strip mall with parking included. You know, like the Henderson branch!