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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 12:32 AM
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Same here, I'm out of town that weekend, so am trying to figure out when I'll first ride it.

Otherwise, I'm just looking forward to it.

I must say, half the fun of these things is the hype and talking about it on these boards. I'll be happy to transition to discussion of Stage 2, once we're all used to Stage 1. But for now, the idea of underground stations in Ottawa - those public spaces I enjoy so much in other cities - is exciting.
Maybe we'll all get those post-Christmas like blues a bit after it's open. Not because of any issues discussed here, but the day we've been waiting for so long will have come and gone.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 12:44 AM
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Maybe we'll all get those post-Christmas like blues a bit after it's open. Not because of any issues discussed here, but the day we've been waiting for so long will have come and gone.
Perhaps, but Phase 2 is even bigger. There will be lots to talk about. However, like I have done about every 6 months I will mention the forgotten project on another thread.
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Perhaps, but Phase 2 is even bigger. There will be lots to talk about. However, like I have done about every 6 months I will mention the forgotten project on another thread.
What's the forgotten project?
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 1:18 AM
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End to End ride video is now live.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/exper...sture-stations

The announcement and technical briefing will follow shortly.
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Have they said anything about changes to bus services? And how much overlapping bus service there will be?
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 1:25 AM
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Baseline BRT
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Maconi's a little flip-floppy on this one. On the one hand, he says 15 trains was never in the contract, and then he says ridership has gone down, so we don't need 15 trains.

If the line is faster than originally promised (we've heard a lot of 24-25 minutes, not 21), then we're pretty close to achieving the capacity stated in the contract, as per Roger above. But if we can only achieve 13 because the other trains are not "ready for prime-time", then we don't have functional spares. Before the 12 days started, Manconi was always crystal clear that we needed to see 15. Hard to buy his explanations.
A while ago, RTG did a test with 20 single trains on the guideway, and that went okay. The signalling/control system is fine, it has to be the trains that are defective. Hopefully though we can bring them up to snuff in a month and a half.
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Have they said anything about changes to bus services? And how much overlapping bus service there will be?
Funny, just looking at schedules. Nothing past September 1st at the moment. I doubt the Ready 4 Rail schedules are current.

They have a lot to do in a very short period of time.

And then the overlapping schedules. Exactly how does this work? How do you get to the Confederation Line while the old routes are still in effect? I guess in most cases it won't be a problem, but it could add to the switchover confusion. For example, in the last few days, they changed the route signs from Route 112 to 46. When does this change take effect?
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Have they said anything about changes to bus services? And how much overlapping bus service there will be?
OCTranspo.com says bus service will change October 6th.

https://www.octranspo.com/en/news/ar...opens-sept-14/
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 2:20 AM
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Sept 14 - Confederation Line opens.
Oct 1 - Fare increase kicks in.
Oct 6 - Bus route network changes (parallel service ends).
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Any idea what the retail stores are going to be? I read a while back about coffee shops, mobile stores and food options. I hope it's not going to be a shitty noname convenient store. It be crazy to have a Tim Hortons or starbucks inside.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 2:31 AM
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Ottawa's LRT will open to the public on Sept. 14

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 23, 2019


Ottawa commuters will be able to ride the rails of the Confederation Line beginning Saturday, Sept. 14.

“It’s been hard not to smile the last couple of hours,” Mayor Jim Watson said, beaming as he made the announcement in council chambers, where city, federal and provincial politicians, along with other VIPs and members of the media, gathered after being given an end-to-end run on the 12.5-km LRT.

The much-anticipated “revenue service availability” date — the Confederation Line’s opening day — comes 17 months after the Rideau Transit Group consortium that built the $2.1-billion system promised it would be ready.

There have been three missed deadlines since then, including as recently as last week, for which the city confirmed Friday it will withhold an additional $1-million payment as a penalty to RTG.

The handover triggers the city’s final $202-million payment to RTG, minus the $1-million charge for the missed Aug. 16 deadline and an additional $35-million holdback for other city costs such as rental agreements and other expenditures. That payment will come five days after the LRT goes into revenue service.

Final testing of the system was completed on Thursday when a panel of observers led by an independent certifier, with input from the city, OC Transpo and RTG, agreed that the system had successfully completed a 12-day test run.

With that, Watson accepted a ceremonial “key” to the train, and next OC Transpo will kick off an intensive three-week period of drills and tests to ensure opening day runs smoothly and safely. As part of that, Ottawa police, fire and ambulance services will conduct practice rescues and emergency responses throughout the system.

The 12-day test period that cleared the way for Friday’s announcement began July 29, immediately after the city verified that RTG had reached substantial completion of the system. That left many councillors questioning why a 12-day test period had dragged on for 25 days.

Transportation general manager John Manconi explained the detailed and complex scoring method the certification team used to evaluate the LRT performance. One of the requirements was that for nine of the 12 days, the LRT run at a “dependability” percentage of 96 per cent.

The first few days of testing did not go well, he acknowledged, and the 12-day clock was reset to zero a couple of times. For less serious problems, the contract allowed RTG to ask for up to three repeat days before the clock was reset. In all, the test period lasted 14 days, including two repeat days, Manconi said.

On the final three days of testing, RTG achieved 97, 99 and 97 per cent dependability, he said.

The contract defined “dependability” based on a complicated assessment that included whether all trains were ready for service, that they arrived at the station on time, that additional service such as ventilation systems worked properly — all the myriad parts needed for an LRT to carry 200,000 travellers a day safely and efficiently.

“There’s no such thing as an error-free transit system anywhere in the world,” Manconi said. “You cannot have 100 per cent dependability.”

Manconi also revealed that the LRT could meet all its service demands using just 13 double trains, not the 15 trains originally projected. He said falling ridership meant the additional trains won’t be needed — at least initially.

“Fifteen was the forecast when this bid went out,” Manconi said when questioned by Kitchissippi ward Coun. Jeff Leiper. “The ridership went down dramatically. You don’t need to be running 15 trains in the morning and afternoon rush hour to meet the service requirements. And the more (trains) you put out, the more it costs. Thirteen trains will handle it.”

The city bought 17 trains in total, including two spares.

The briefing also addressed the complaints from some residents who live near the track that the LRT is noisier than promised. The city has hired an expert to study the problem. Most of the noise comes from the sound of the wheels on the track, and the city has asked RTG to grind and polish the rails to smooth out the ride. It’s also looking at installing weighted rubber dampers, where the rails are attached to the rail bed, that are engineered to the specific frequency of the noise being generated.

Four key dates are coming up for OC Transpo users: On Sept. 1, the bus schedules on many routes return to normal after summer service reductions. On Sept. 14, the Confederation Line begins service. Oct. 1 marks the end of a fare freeze and the implementation of 2019 fare rates. And, on Oct. 6, a new bus network rolls out, one that is integrated with the Confederation Line.

A new website, an updated phone app and a mailing to every address in Ottawa will give residents all the information they need to use the system.

In accepting the keys to the LRT, the mayor called it a “truly transformative” moment for the city that will lead to “transit-oriented development”.

“Through this change, Ottawa will become more connected, more accessible and more economically competitive,” Watson said.

He thanked the federal and provincial governments, which are each sharing in a third of the cost of the system, as well as residents who’ve put up with years of construction and detours during the work on the first phase of the LRT.

“Crews are already hard at work on Stage 2 LRT so we can bring the benefits of clean and efficient rail service to more communities in the south, east and west,” Watson said.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...lic-on-sept-14
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 2:33 AM
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Ottawa, a shiny new train, and the price of growing up

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 23, 2019


The good news is the thing seems to actually work.

After a series of delays that made for painful comedy, after absorbing an Everest pile of money ($2.1 billion), Ottawa’s light-rail system finally accepted select passengers Friday — a giddy group of self-congratulating politicians, a pack of proud staffers and a suspicious media horde, about 100 in all.

The train left the eastern end of the line, Blair Station, at 1:05 p.m. and arrived at Tunney’s — 12 stations later — at 1:20 p.m. It was clear sailing, unlike the digging, the construction, detours, delays and excuses that nearly drove the city mad for six years.

“It is comfortable, it is impressive, it is fast. It’s going to be a completely different transit experience for the residents of Ottawa,” said Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper, after emerging from Lyon Station.

“When I compare it to riding on a standing-only ride on the (No.) 95 on Scott Street, it is a night and day experience.”

Lyon, indeed, is a cavernous underground station, the likes of which is unfamiliar to the capital, used to crowded surface bus stops, rattling rides and beat-up shelters.

“You look at this Lyon Station, it’s hard to believe it’s Ottawa,” said Leiper. “In terms of the maturation of the city, the design aesthetic, this is big city stuff.”

The system still has, of course, that new car smell. The trains are spotless, as are the stations — which look a little plain and utilitarian, though there is a smattering of interesting public art.

The ride is fairly smooth, if a little louder than one might expect and there is the illusion of substantial speed. (It will never reach more than 82 km/h and is often way slower.)

There are spanking new blue seats, but passengers should expect to do a lot of standing at rush hour, with 300 or so in a single train. Visibility is great and there are unexpectedly grand views of the skyline.

When the train slips into the tunnel at uOttawa, it makes a whooshing sound and soon slows to take a fairly sharp left turn.

Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury brought his bicycle on the train, as did Bay ward Coun. Theresa Kavanagh, while Somerset ward’s representative, Catherine McKenney, had her tell-tale scooter.

“It’s fast. I’m impressed with the speed,” said Fleury, remarking that Rideau Station in his ward will be the busiest. “From what I can see, it looks great … It’s a transformative experience.”

Many of the passengers remarked on this point — that Ottawa, now just past the million mark in population, is entering a new era in public infrastructure.

“This is going to be the new normal,” said Kavanagh. “We’re all excited but, you know, this is what you should expect from a grown-up city. And this is what we’ve become.”

It will be a fairly comfortable ride. The trains are air-conditioned in summer and have heated floors for winter. At peak time, they come every five minutes.

As for testing, OC Transpo general manager John Manconi detailed the rigorous amount of checking the system has undergone: on 59 elevators, 47 escalators, 137 fare gates, 56 ticket machines, 1,200 closed-circuit cameras.

He was, however, grilled on the widely-understood idea that the city was not going to accept the system from its builders unless there were 12 consecutive days of error-free service that simulated an actual daily schedule.

It came as a surprise to councillors that Rideau Transit Group did not need perfection and was allowed two “repeat days” when it did not meet the “service availability” standard of 96 per cent.

Though it began on July 29, the 12 days of testing only concluded Thursday, setting up a full-service launch date of Sept. 14.

“There is no such thing as an error-free rail system anywhere in the world,” said Manconi.

In all, he said trains ran for 258,000 kms of testing and made close to 11,000 trips. There was never any major safety issue, he added, a shortcoming that would have forced the reboot of the testing period.

The briefing also heard that some 200,000 daily bus trips are going to be affected by the introduction of light rail. The old bus routes are going to continue post-launch, until new route alignments go into effect Oct. 6.

It’s a safe bet people will like LRT. It’s clean, fast, modern and loses the bone-shattering effects our old bus fleet provided on our patchy roads.

But we shall see. How well will the Tunney’s bus handoff work? How will the trains function on snowy days, or minus 30? How will we handle a train breakdown in the downtown tunnel?

These were not, however, Friday’s concern. It was a day to look at the new toy, in awe, the biggest change in transit service in our history, a new era in how we live and move.

To contact Kelly Egan, please call 613-726-5896 or email kegan@postmedia.com
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 10:53 AM
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Good morning,

For those wanting to see everything, here is what is available on O-Train Fans from yesterday's big news.

End to End Ride (Blair to Tunney's Pasture).
https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/exper...sture-stations

City Hall
Announcement and Technical Briefing (as well as the official press release).
https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/get-r...n-september-14
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 2:39 PM
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CBC News announced this morning that the city has not signed off on the project yet and the system has not been turned over to the city. This no doubt requires sign off first. It was also mentioned that the city is confident that the Confederation Line will be ready for the September 14th launch.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2019, 4:35 PM
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4 key dates as Ottawa's LRT becomes a reality
The LRT is built, so what comes next?

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Posted: Aug 24, 2019 10:42 AM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago


Ottawa officially has a function Confederation Line, so what happens next?

While there is some paperwork to be done before the city takes possession of the LRT, staff announced Friday that won't prevent them from getting passengers riding the rail on Sept. 14.

But that's not the only date that is going to be important for transit users. Here are some of the other big dates coming up.

Small changes — Sept. 1

The first transition coming to the system is on Sept. 1, when the city transitions back to a peak schedule from the summer schedule that has been running.

Opening day — Sept. 14

The city's LRT line will launch on a Saturday. Pat Scrimgeour, OC Transpo's director of customer systems, said it is going to be a major transition for everyone, but they're excited for the change.

"We're ready to help customers at every step along their journey," he said.

He added that the new line is going to be a core to how people get around.

"About two thirds of all ridership, around 200,000 trips a day, will include travel on the O-Train."

Fares rise — Oct. 1

Council imposed a fare-freeze in January because of the repeated delays to the LRT system. But with the LRT up and running, fares will rise on average 2.5 per cent.

An adult monthly pass will rise from $116.50 to $119.50. The cash fare will rise to $3.60 from $3.50, unless you pay with Presto, where it will rise from $3.45 to $3.55.

Complete changeover — Oct. 6

When the LRT first launches, many bus routes will remain the same for the first few weeks.

The new routes will funnel people to LRT stations, and the city says it hopes to improve service in some areas as well.

Scrimgeour said it's a major change.

"The opening of Line 1 and the major changes to the bus route network that follow will be the largest service change ever for OC Transpo customers."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...line-1.5258684
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CBC News announced this morning that the city has not signed off on the project yet and the system has not been turned over to the city. This no doubt requires sign off first. It was also mentioned that the city is confident that the Confederation Line will be ready for the September 14th launch.
Apparently that's only a paperwork formality thing, not anything to be concerned about.
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Did the city move the goalposts for accepting LRT?
Questions raised around 12-day trial run was not consecutive and that we don’t need 15 trains

Joanne Chianello · CBC News
Posted: Aug 26, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 3 hours ago




It was a city-building moment almost seven years in the making.

On Friday afternoon — in the same council chambers where the $2.1-billion contract to build the Confederation Line was approved in December 2012 — Mayor Jim Watson revealed that as of Sept. 14, the people of Ottawa would finally get to ride LRT.

The mayor hoisted a golden key, a symbol the city had taken control of the LRT from the system's builder, Rideau Transit Group (RTG). Political speeches were made, hands were shaken, and there was understandable good cheer all around.

But once Watson left council chambers and the technical briefing began, the afternoon took a more concerning turn, with a number of last-minute revelations now raising questions about whether the city moved the goalposts before accepting the line.

First of all, it turns out Watson's golden key is even more symbolic than we thought, because RTG has not handed over the Confederation Line to the city.

There's still paperwork RTG has to hand in, including some final documentation on safety, which the city's own independent safety auditor will have to sign off on.

Separately, an independent certifier will have to give the green light that RTG has met so-called revenue service availability — contract-speak for the moment LRT is completely ready to be handed over to the city.

That likely won't happen until the end of this week, meaning the Confederation Line is technically not finished.

However, city officials insist these last-minute tasks won't impede the public launch date, less than three weeks away.

For months now, OC Transpo boss John Manconi has said that RTG would need to show the Confederation Line could offer 12 days in a row of quasi-flawless service before the city took it over.

At the March 5 finance and economic development committee meeting, where we discovered that RTG would miss its third official deadline, Manconi told councillors that the testing and commissioning of the Confederation Line included "a 12 consecutive-day trial running period [that] needs to be near-perfect."

Later in that same meeting, Manconi said that, once RTG substantially completed the line, "they can go into the 12 days of consecutive running and they have to be near-perfect on every single one of those — otherwise the clock resets."

But that never happened. Since the trial run began on July 29, the LRT has not run nearly flawlessly for 12 straight days.

According to Michael Morgan, the city's director of rail construction, there were issues in the early going that required the testing to begin again from the start.

However, Manconi said RTG was allowed two "repeat days" during the trial run. So the line was ultimately operated for 12 days, non-consecutively, over a 14-day period.

What happened to the initial promise? Apparently, there are provisions for the RTG to get a do-over if the day didn't meet certain criteria, but Manconi told reporters Friday "they don't reset the clock" — the first time the public has ever heard this.

It's also worth noting the trial run may have been finished as late as Thursday, just one day before the mayor took dignitaries and the media on a ceremonial ride and subsequently announced the public launch date.

It seems that, despite being delayed for 459 days and counting, the city was quite confident the trial run would be completed just hours before a huge, feel-good announcement.

Also heard for the first time Friday was the surprise news that the city only needs 13 double-car trains during the morning and afternoon rush hours, instead of 15.

For months we've heard the city demand that 15 two-car trains be available for the weekday rush. Reliably running 15 trains on the LRT system day in, day out has been an issue for RTG as recently as July.

At that same March 5 finance committee meeting, Manconi described the importance of "fleet availability" — that is, the number of trains that need to work.

"It's going to come down to the vehicles, and running those 15 vehicles back and forth," Manconi told council. "You know the numbers — it's 15 double trains, and four spare vehicles."

He went on to say that RTG was working its way up to getting "15 double-vehicles running from Tunney's to Blair."

But Friday, we heard the city will only be needing 13 trains to meet the rush-hour demand, which will see trains arrive and depart every three minutes.

That may well be true, although it's hard to imagine that ridership has fallen that much since March, when Manconi began talking about 15 double trains. As well, the city has always expected a jump in ridership once the LRT is up and running.

Maybe we only need 13 trains now, but at some point, ridership will increase to the point where we'll likely need 15. When that day comes, will the LRT system be able to handle that load?

The answer is far from clear.

Manconi confirmed that RTG ran 15 double-car trains on some trial run days, but couldn't say how many. And indeed, daily update reports viewed by CBC show that only 13 trains were launched from Monday to Thursday last week, instead of the 15 Manconi has spoken about so many times in the past six months.

The Confederation Line is an exciting, complicated project. And there's been much disappointment that it's been delayed numerous times.

Given the political pressure to get it rolling, is it possible the city is rushing the massive project to the finish line?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...-lrt-1.5259353
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The doors did not open. And the stops were all the same at about 15 seconds each.
It makes total sense that they wouldn't open the doors. If they had, I am sure one (or more) of the journalists would have stepped out to take a look around, delaying the ride for everyone.

As for the 15 seconds, that isn't as long as they will stop at most if not all of the stations, so we can probably add a few minutes to the travel time, so we are likely back to the 25 minutes scheduled.

Regarding the 2 do-over days in the 12 day test, I suspect that it was part of the contract and that detail had never been released to the public.

I am more concerned about the 13 trains though. Why are they only providing 13 trains? What will it take to get the 15 (or 17 for growth) trains? All of that is as clear as mud.
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15 seconds is probably more than enough at all stations except for the busiest ones. At stations like Cyrville and Lees 10 seconds or less is probably enough. 15 seconds is probably a good average.

To get back up to 25 from 21, they'd have to stop for 35 seconds on average at each stop and there's no way. Even the busiest stations at rush hour won't need that long.
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