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Old Posted Jul 27, 2019, 4:25 AM
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Memphis TN is at 103.

Jackson MS is at 56.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2019, 3:17 PM
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Montreal, Quebec (population served by Montreal city police : 2 000 000) is now at 9

Suburbs (population : 2 300 000) are at 13

Total metropolitan area (population 4 300 000) is at 22
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 12:01 AM
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It's definitely inexcusable, but it's also been this way for the past 55 years. So there is a fatigue factor involved for caring about it. Year after year after year after year after year after year after decade after decade after decade, the gang-bangers just mow each other down with what should be alarming regularity, but it's so goddamn regular that it's not even slightly alarming at all, just the status quo; same shit, different day. And ~2% of the time an innocent life is tragically lost in the crossfire. The city wrings its hands for several days, and the newspapers are filled with op-eds about what we must do as a city to stop the killings, and then the killers just keep right on killing.

It's not that people aren't trying to reduce the violence in Chicago, it's just that nothing really seems to work. Ever. For over a half fucking century now.
Your schooling must really suck for the poor minorities. Europeans don't have such a discrepancy between bad and good schools, and they don't have the inner city gang shootings that America has. Now, get the program going. I don't think that would be acceptable in civilized countries to have open killings every day in the city. I would send in the national guard honestly, if the police can't handle it. Then focus on education, kids and jobs. 'Murica has problem mate. Why not just come to Europe and watch/learn. The blacks in Europe don't kill each other like they do in America.

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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 6:22 AM
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2019 Austin Metro Murders

| Austin 23 | Travis Co. 24 | Bastrop Co. 3 | Caldwell Co. 0 | Hays Co. 5 | Williamson Co. 7 | Metro 39 |

Causes metrowide
Shooting - 25
Stabbing - 5
Strangled - 0
Suffocation - 0
Throwing (of child) - 0
Beating - 2
Vehicular homicide - 1
Blunt force trauma - 0
Sharp force trauma - 0
Unlisted cause - 6
Domestic terrorism - 0

Austin totals
Downtown - 1
Central Austin - 1
East Austin - 3
North Austin - 6
Northeast Austin - 1
Northwest Austin - 1
South Austin - 3
Southeast Austin - 7
Southwest Austin - 0
West Austin - 0

Victims
Male - 32
Female - 5
Unlisted - 1

| Jan 4 | Feb 7 | Mar 4 | Apr 4 | May 5 | Jun 5 | Jul 6 | Aug 4 | Sep 0 | Oct 0 | Nov 0 | Dec 0 |

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| Mon 3 | Tue 2 | Wed 7 | Thur 3 | Fri 6 | Sat 7 | Sun 11 |

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Murder cases
Code:
1 dead - http://www.fox7austin.com/news/local...rtment-complex - 1/20 - Cedar Park shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-1 - 1/20 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-2 - 1/25 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 1/26 - Cedar Park shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 2/1- Bartlett shooting 

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 2/13 - San Marcos shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 2/13 - Cedar Creek shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 2/17 - San Marcos shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 2/19 - Round Rock shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 2/23 - Elgin unlisted cause

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-3 - 2/24 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-4 - 3/7 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-5 - 3/17 - Austin unlisted cause of death

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...tin/1856248528 - 3/17 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 3/24 - Austin beating

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/cr...c-03c61d2c2181 - 4/5 - San Marcos shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-8 - 4/9 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-9 - 4/10 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-10 - 4/17 - Austin unlisted cause

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-11-update - 5/4 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-12-update - 5/4 - Austin vehicular homicide

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-13 - 5/5 - Austin shooting 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/hays...ZdN4jydVU4ljg4 - 5/5 - San Marcos shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 5/31 - Cedar Creek stabbing

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/pol...rtment-complex - 6/5 - San Marcos shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 6/23 - Austin (unlisted cause)

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 6/24 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 6/26 - Round Rock shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 6/28 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 7/4 - Del Valle stabbing

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-17 - 7/4 - Austin unlisted cause - manslaughter charge case

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-20 - 7/18 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-19 - 7/20 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-23 - 7/20 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-21 - 7/23 - Austin shooting

1 dead  - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-22-0 - 7/26 - Austin unlisted cause

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 8/3 - Cedar Park shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...emplate=ampart - 8/3 - Round Rock beating 

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-24 - 8/4 - Austin unlisted cause

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-25 - 8/11 - Austin shooting
Pending cases


Austin area population

City: 964,254 (July 1, 2018 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,248,743 (July 1, 2018 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,168,316 (July 1, 2018 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau

Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia

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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 11:31 AM
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Montreal, Quebec (population served by Montreal city police : 2 000 000) is now at 9

Suburbs (population : 2 300 000) are at 13

Total metropolitan area (population 4 300 000) is at 22
Make that 10 for MTL (island of 2.050M).
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 12:15 PM
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2018 = 175
% chg = -9.1%
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 12:24 PM
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Philly is at 187 thru 7/29 which is up 6% from last year. In the last few weeks, violent crime has gone bonkers. Heat waves = homicide in Philly.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 1:48 PM
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Your schooling must really suck for the poor minorities. Europeans don't have such a discrepancy between bad and good schools, and they don't have the inner city gang shootings that America has. Now, get the program going. I don't think that would be acceptable in civilized countries to have open killings every day in the city. I would send in the national guard honestly, if the police can't handle it. Then focus on education, kids and jobs. 'Murica has problem mate. Why not just come to Europe and watch/learn. The blacks in Europe don't kill each other like they do in America.
It's like this in every almost every former slavery colony that had legal segegration at some point...America, Brazil, Caribbean Islands, Columbia, South Africa. Europe, Canada, Austrailia didn't have slaves or at least a significant amount, nor did they have legal discrimination against the freed slaves. Austrailia did have the aborginals, but they were already natives to the land and weren't brought over from another continent.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 3:24 PM
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Austrailia did have the aborginals, but they were already natives to the land and weren't brought over from another continent.
Ditto Canada...
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 3:27 PM
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Your schooling must really suck for the poor minorities. Europeans don't have such a discrepancy between bad and good schools, and they don't have the inner city gang shootings that America has. Now, get the program going. I don't think that would be acceptable in civilized countries to have open killings every day in the city. I would send in the national guard honestly, if the police can't handle it. Then focus on education, kids and jobs. 'Murica has problem mate. Why not just come to Europe and watch/learn. The blacks in Europe don't kill each other like they do in America.
Europe doesn't have the loose controls on guns that America allows. It's certainly not the only thing, but America's murder rate would plummet without easy access to firearms.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2019, 6:59 PM
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Jackson MS is at 56.
That is a really high rate for a city that only has 167,000 people.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2019, 3:05 AM
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Your schooling must really suck for the poor minorities. Europeans don't have such a discrepancy between bad and good schools, and they don't have the inner city gang shootings that America has. Now, get the program going. I don't think that would be acceptable in civilized countries to have open killings every day in the city. I would send in the national guard honestly, if the police can't handle it. Then focus on education, kids and jobs. 'Murica has problem mate. Why not just come to Europe and watch/learn. The blacks in Europe don't kill each other like they do in America.
Having the national guard come into poor urban neighborhoods would never work in America. You must not know our current political and social situation, why not come down here and watch/learn? It would be called racist and militaristic from the minute the plan hits paper.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2019, 3:07 AM
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It's like this in every almost every former slavery colony that had legal segegration at some point...America, Brazil, Caribbean Islands, Columbia, South Africa. Europe, Canada, Austrailia didn't have slaves or at least a significant amount, nor did they have legal discrimination against the freed slaves. Austrailia did have the aborginals, but they were already natives to the land and weren't brought over from another continent.
Thats ignoring history from 1860-1970ish in America in relation to blacks and crime rates. Crime rates among blacks were very low in that time period then spiked. Blaming that on slavery or segregation doesn't make sense.
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Having the national guard come into poor urban neighborhoods would never work in America. You must not know our current political and social situation, why not come down here and watch/learn? It would be called racist and militaristic from the minute the plan hits paper.
It is interesting to go to Italy, Spain, and France and see the National Guard walking around the cities on foot in camo holding machine guns. The locals I talked to there seem to be comforted by the security of the national guards presence. In the US people don't seem to have the same attitude unfortunately. I think the National Guard should be sent to patrol Chicago to bring down the murder rate.
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It is interesting to go to Italy, Spain, and France and see the National Guard walking around the cities on foot in camo holding machine guns.
I see police with camo/machine guns all over the place. Pretty much any landmark or high traffic location. Walk through Penn Station and count the machine guns.

National Guard are for wars or national emergency. They aren't cops, and don't play any role in neighborhood crime.
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It is interesting to go to Italy, Spain, and France and see the National Guard walking around the cities on foot in camo holding machine guns. The locals I talked to there seem to be comforted by the security of the national guards presence. In the US people don't seem to have the same attitude unfortunately. I think the National Guard should be sent to patrol Chicago to bring down the murder rate.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I am torn on the issue, really.

Americans, black or white or whatever, have something in them(the majority, anyways) where we are just suspect of governmental force. Sure, many of our police departments have "militarized" in some ways, but actually sending in troops could rub people the wrong way.

I don't live in a poor and dangerous neighborhood, so my opinion doesn't count as much I don't think. However, as someone who values safety over most things(and conceal carries), I would personally welcome any help to protect my neighborhood if things went down hill.
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Thats ignoring history from 1860-1970ish in America in relation to blacks and crime rates. Crime rates among blacks were very low in that time period then spiked. Blaming that on slavery or segregation doesn't make sense.

Crime rates in general were pretty low up until the 60s. In the time that they started rising since, it's not unsurprising that the biggest surge would be amongst the community that was most marginalized at the time.

And while the lingering effects of slavery are certainly debatable, it's also true that the descendants of slave populations across the Americas experience greater than average rates of poverty, crime, and other social ills.
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Crime rates in general were pretty low up until the 60s. In the time that they started rising since, it's not unsurprising that the biggest surge would be amongst the community that was most marginalized at the time.
And I think the dates are a bit off. As early as 1960, when NYC was still well over 80% white, the homicide rate was nearly twice what it is today. This is well before the riot/social unrest era. The murder rate during the Great Depression was also twice what it is today, and the NYC black population was minimal at that time.

1958 seems to be the first year with a notable increase, then it peaked in the early 70's, then was stable until the crack epidemic of the late 80s. Steep decline began 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2019, 8:45 PM
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Crime rates in general were pretty low up until the 60s. In the time that they started rising since, it's not unsurprising that the biggest surge would be amongst the community that was most marginalized at the time.

And while the lingering effects of slavery are certainly debatable, it's also true that the descendants of slave populations across the Americas experience greater than average rates of poverty, crime, and other social ills.
All true. But the dramatic rise in crime with both blacks and whites still hasn't been accounted for and the increase in crime among blacks were much higher than among whites, same with single parenthood. Blacks always had a higher rate than whites, but their numbers exploded while whites just increased a lot.

If we were to agree(which we do) that blacks in America always had the bad hand, then we must also agree the increase in crime after the 60s has very little to do with that hand.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2019, 11:06 PM
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nyc year to date
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2019 = 159
2018 = 175
% chg = -9.1%
I was amazed looking at the numbers for the borough of Queens.
It basically has the same rate as an average European or Canadian city.

And with a very multicultural and mixed income population, its numbers are very good by US standards.
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